Frage von pianoplayer81:
Hi dear people,
I have long fought for me between a SonyHDR-SR10 and a Canon HF100 to decide. My choice then fell on the Canon. In the shop I was then pointed out that Canon in April a new series rausbringt, USDI HF200!
This comes with many useful new features such as Face / xv Color / Pre REC / 3.3-megapixel photos / 15x opt. Zoom / Focal 4,1-61,5 mm (HF100 4.8 - 57.6 mm) / focal length range 39,5-592,5 VIDEO mm (HF100 42.9 - 514.8 mm) / 5 shooting 5 instead of 4 Shooting
(new: MXP: 1,920 x 1.080, 24 Mbps) .... otherwise everything is pretty much the old (shutter speed, display resolution, manual handling ...
What makes me aback, however, is the
smaller 1/4-Inch- CMOS chip
(HF100 1 / 3 ,2-inches), according to the manufacturer's specifications
but effective 2.99 megapixel afford to be in the video (HF100: 2.07 megapixels). Canon establishes the uswith the
new DV DIGIC 3 image processor (HF100 DIGIC DV 2). This is synonymous for the basic functioning of xvColour, facial ....
Hmmmmm.
When the
smaller chip really deliver a
better picture ?????? It says: To the larger the chip, the better!
What is the smaller chip to evaluate ????? Is a difference of 1 / 4 to 1 / 3, 2 inches ever noticed?
And how many plays as the image processor with more purely? I'm not as knowledgeable as the chip in conjunction with image processor have to do, ahem, sorry.
Actually, I wanted to have the HF100, but the HF200 will be much more attractive with the (almost) the same price. -> Maybe wg. the smaller chip so cheap?
HELP!
Thank you in advance for your answers and
predictions :-)
Antwort von pianoplayer81:
As for my threads: I am really only interested in how the overall package of the new HF200 afterwards seen on the Picture effect in Comparison to HF100.
If you will ever be able to forecast.
Antwort von nachtspion:
I would place first s.deiner wait until the camera on the market. The rate at the moment all I am the soon to launch a camera and only want to have about one months time.
The problem with the evaluation of the chips is that the S10 in RF Slashcam wegkommt really not good, but a 1 / 2, 6 sensor has inne.
The size is therefore the case does not necessarily play a role.
Whether the smaller sensors in a post-HF200 or advantage over the HF100, you can only say if it was tested.
I would rather the S100 RF interesting, and hope that the bad results but perhaps only s.Testmodell be seen.
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Quo-vadis-- Canon - Legria-RF-S10. Html
If not, it is synonymous nor HG20/21 see. Has the same features as the HF100, but the possibility of the Aperture manual set.
Antwort von Zizi:
Well yes like Canon is silent on precise details CMOS / technology!
But I guess the difference is not great .. but in no case more .. especially in Lowlight I find the shrink CMOS always worse when they are synonymous for these already provide considerable size, is not really good at Cam 3000 ¬ in Lowlight!
The differences are so HF100 vs. HV30 lie?
Oh yes, if not necessarily synonymous to the thread fits .. 've just spoken with canon, yet this year, a full format with CMOS come!
Time will look like and especially how to account for!
The pictures of my 5D MARK2 are so strong with light optics echt der hit .. because anyone can plug in so light and strong as the noise is. Unfortunately, just a camera ;-(
Antwort von pianoplayer81:
If not, it is synonymous nor HG20/21 see. Has the same features as the HF100, but the possibility of the Aperture manual set. According to test results here on Slashcam the HF 100 on the joystick, adjust the Aperture manual or confuse what I do?
The Lowlight behavior is with me only of secondary importance to me, it is rather a good picture in normal lighting to.
Oh yes, if not necessarily synonymous to the thread fits .. 've just spoken with canon, yet this year, a full format with CMOS come! I think you mean this one:
http://usa.canon.com/uploadedimages/FCK/Image/WhitePapers/Canon_CMOS_WP.pdf
As I understand, this full-frame CMOS rather with the cameras inside. If as synonymous with the camcorder, then probably in the
higher price segment (above the HF100)
Oh yes, I am a total newbie and had a lot about whether I do not approve what segment should buy, but was of the picture quality is not usually generated. And the higher I went, the more important to me was synonymous manual controls to me (if I will be better in filmmaking) is not as restrictive as for Sony. Since I had a
fallback model the HDR-SR10 viewed.
(Incidentally, I had only 300, - ¬ value, but then had to be according to my requirements to approximately 600, - ¬ screwed up. And there is then synonymous finito. HFS100 would obviously be a super candidate for me, but is currently just not budgetmäßig
drin). HF100 and HDR-SR10 with good lighting are both very good, but Sony is yes you regelrecht incapacitated what manual settings are concerned. Of course, a focus on Touch Screen ne fine, but if you look at the videos on the HF100
Vimeo.com committed, then I see no disadvantages because of manual handling as for the HF100.
http://vimeo.com/1802199 <-
A super video in my opinion. What do you? Such a picture for me is in any case is sufficient. Check out the other videos synonymous Users of this. As you can very well see what options you have with the HF100.
I only remember that
the test of the HF 200 is made so late, when the HF100 no longer in the trade. Then I would have no choice anymore.
I stand fully on SD/SDHC-Speicherkarten- which I like more than hard-camcorder. For me more disadvantages than advantages. (HDR-SR10 have Memory Stick expansion, but is synonymous not optimal, I think) And if you look at the future development of the SD cards to view, we know already how the market is (hopefully / maybe) will develop. I am referring to the new SDXC cards around 2010 with 2TB auftrumpfen be.
Antwort von Stonehorn:
Generally, the HF200 would actually worse. If we believe the values and the Preisgestalltung than the MSRP is around 650EUR! It could, therefore, a scaled-down HF100 act, but I would just wait for the tests ... In the HF S10/100 I hope synonymous According to an early test!
Antwort von Zizi:
I believe synonymous the HF200 is worse ..
Well Canon seems to subside .. If this goes next
The HF300 is a yogurt cup with mobile cmos!
what is with the new Sony's with the over drüber CMOS?
Is there already reports?
Antwort von Jan:
The XR 500 & 520?
Hopefully soon, I get the camera on until early April.
But a sensor - Exmore R - (sounds somehow after Honda racing) should be mentioned is cool anyway.
The camera is in image noise at high gain eh any other camera in the class "platt machen" I bet that now cheeky.
Bin ja mal gespannt how well the GPS function in the real world works. There are so sad of the Nikon Coolpix P 6000 to read, sometimes waiting 15 minutes to check where the camera man is a miserable electricity etc. ...
There is always a yes or semi professional camera of Canon will be presented, so long as it can no longer take.
HF 200, I had never in his hand - can not say.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Zizi:
Well GPS in a video camera .. fall because of me on the fast 10 useful things one the these little toys have long needed!
Well hauptsache it marketed itself .. in my eyes is the same nonsense as Lächelerkennung and Digital Zoom, etc..
But I am going synonymous times assume the new Sony's pretty
will catch up and take pictures almost like a semi-Cam to the 5 times the cost ..
But wait wirs mal ab! Worse, such as the new Canons, they can not ever be! ;-(
Antwort von Stonehorn:
I think GPS is echt ne gimmick and only for people without a sense of orientation. "Ah it is so times since the Cologne Cathedral aufm video! Where was now again?"
Antwort von nachtspion:
I have here the first video of Sony520 downloaded:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/zooma/
My first impression - thumbs down. In the comparison there with the HF, the Sony S10 my opinion worse off. Now, if the RF S10 actually worse (picture quality) than the HF100/10/11 or HG20/21 it looks bad for the news, because the synonymous of HS/SD300 Panasonic patzt!
After intensive research kristalisiert for me than the HG20 is currently the best for my needs (Lowlight, sharpness) out.
For the HF200, I would say that even on the Canon website states that it is not as light as the HF100 is. Then, however, I would like to know what my argument Canon so I would like to deliver them to the HF100 or similar preferred. If the HF100 "FullHD almost completely ausreizt" (Slashcam test) and has a better Lowlight, then what should the HF200?
As mentioned earlier is now my last hope on the HF S10 perhaps in another test wegkommt but even better than before. These videos are here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/zooma/) really liked me very well, the sharpness of synonymous and in Lowlight.
Edit: Yeah, the S10 on Youtube video found on the above link to find it. If the HF100 is even sharper, then hats off. But I think the device had a different than Slashcam because what I see as really helped me already gone.
Antwort von Zizi:
Well no I know Cam is irritating FullHD from, except film!
The HF100 may be light in gorgeous HD picture magic .. nevertheless
is not only "FullHD" Cam previously been in what could convince me .. even the slightest artificial began to rush at all ..
(already had at least 8 AVCHD HDV cameras and 5!)
The best thing is come to me at the MARK2 with a 1.4er Lens .. everything else is totally scrap!
Is sad that a better Lowlight camera images can be used as each of consumer and prosumer!
Even a HF100 roars so extreme that these images rarely mention HD should in my view! This applies to all HF HG and even for the XH A1 models ..
Resolutionist not everything .. To see some clean FullHD DV PAL aufskalierte better pictures!
I speak of course of artificial and Lowlight, under the light anyway s.300 ¬ Cams pretty good!
Antwort von RickyMartini:
In Cinema mode, the noise of the HF100 is very low and the images are all synonymous with artificial very passable.
Antwort von Zizi:
In Cinema mode, the noise of the HF100 is very low and the images are all synonymous with artificial very passable.
Yes but the cinema mode defines a kind of the whole thus synonymous sharpness is lost.
Achja in 25p mode, the noise and the exposure time synonymous better but in no case is good!
Antwort von nachtspion:
S10 vs. RF Lowlightvergleich. EX1:
Interesting wirds s.1: 48
Antwort von LorPGDL:
there are actually something new came out in the HF100 presiklasse that in the performance suggests?
even had time to me but one that was stolen and now I'm still on about whether I am on the 200 hf wait again or take HF 100.
what do you How long will the HF100 still give regularly to buy after the release hf 200?
Antwort von RickyMartini:
The HF100 is the movie mode! = 25p.
25p must be specifically in the setup menu to be activated. If you use the movie mode is still the sharpness and color on the Custom Menu increase.
The spotlight mode, the sharpness and colors IMO maintained.
Antwort von pianoplayer81:
I did a month ago bought the HF100 and am highly satisfied with the. That I am not responsible for the HF200 chose is therefore now a clear advantage (according to test results).
Have a long way and her about whether I should wait for the HF200 and HF100 prefer to take, but the Spezifis the HF200 could not convince me.
For those who are still undecided: go for HF100!
Thanks for your comments
Antwort von MacSeller:
I did a month ago bought the HF100 and am highly satisfied with the. That I am not responsible for the HF200 chose is therefore now a clear advantage (; according to test results).
Have a long way and her about whether I should wait for the HF200 and HF100 prefer to take, but the Spezifis the HF200 could not convince me.
For those who are still undecided: go for HF100!
Thanks for your comments for how many Euros you have paid your HF100?
Antwort von pianoplayer81:
560, - only for the.
I have a Sandisk Ultra II 16 GB Class 4 memory card purchased (Transcend although cheaper, but less read / write speed), 3, bag, stand (20, - of Hama, gabs at Saturn), Cleaning kit,. ..
Overall, I was then at 700, --
Will I soon be synonymous the original Canon Wide Anglevon, because this brings, according to many reviewers, the best results. Then again it cost 130, -. Could synonymous one for 50, - get in the bay, but the Canon Wide Angleist extra vote on the Camera. The others do not. Can you read very many comments.
Antwort von MacSeller:
560, - only for the.
I have a Sandisk Ultra II 16 GB Class 4 memory card purchased (Transcend although cheaper, but less read / write speed), 3, bag, stand (20, - of Hama, gabs at Saturn), Cleaning kit,. ..
Overall, I was then at 700, --
Will I soon be synonymous the original Canon Wide Anglevon, because this brings, according to many reviewers, the best results. Then again it cost 130, -. Could synonymous one for 50, - get in the bay, but the Canon Wide Angleist extra vote on the Camera. The others do not. Can you read very many comments. I wanted s.anfang synonymous get the HF100, after a long reflexion, I decided on the HF10, the HF100 because it cost 560 ¬ + 16GB card about 40 ¬ = 600 ¬
I have decided on the HF10 is about ¬ 10 but has different internal memory and memory card slot
Antwort von MacSeller:
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Will I soon be synonymous the original Canon Wide Anglevon, because this brings, according to many reviewers, the best results. Then again it cost 130, -. Could synonymous one for 50, - get in the bay, but the Canon Wide Angleist extra vote on the Camera. The others do not. Can you read very many comments. original ww want what you get?
Canon WD-H37C
Canon WD-H37
Canon WD-H37II
'm synonymous with the superior if I buy me ne ww
Antwort von pianoplayer81:
Canon WD-H37II. As is usually only suitable for the HG20 or HG21 drangeschrieben, but the fit synonymous for HF series. The only downside to Canon WW is a missing thread for, but it is negligible I think. But he scores in the important areas.
I need the internal memory when not. Because I have the device so s.den PC? view the data rüberzuschieben. With flash memory, I am more flexible.
Antwort von MacSeller:
Canon WD-H37II. As is usually only suitable for the HG20 or HG21 drangeschrieben, but the fit synonymous for HF series. The only downside to Canon WW is a missing thread for, but it is negligible I think. But he scores in the important areas.
I need the internal memory when not. Because I have the device so s.den PC? view the data rüberzuschieben. With flash memory, I am more flexible. with whatever editing program you edit AVCHD files?
Antwort von pianoplayer81:
Can I still do not really choose one or the other
Antwort von MacSeller:
I can give you sony vegas per 8 recommend
achtung Final Cut Pro, I would not empfehlenm you have the complete set of final cut studio 2 but it comes with native AVCHD is not clear
Antwort von pianoplayer81:
jep, I have tried synonymous power director, but I will probably go to vegas.
