Infoseite // Newcomers: Canon HF 100 Vs. HV 30



Frage von --Der_Dude--:


Hello,

I consider myself a long time since last NEN zuzulegen. First the purpose.

The first thing to do for our film projects excuse as a second area of application are small images when snowboarding and finally to mention that I am always available video material, because I consider after Abi in digital post-study.

Then we come to my requirements:)
1. Manual setting options vsFokus
2. Connection for ext. Micro
3. grade, I do not ^ ^

All video material is s.Pc cut and reworked before it is if anything comes to DVD. Processing is aufm Mac with Final Cut Pro 6
What is bezgl. post from AVCHD to SD or from on-tape and disadvantages?
With AVCHD on SD card that I find appealing the video clips as individual files are stored on tape recordings I know that there is only so that it is a great video without interruptions marks. Or will this generation of camcorders In and Out points of each recording is stored?

When Hf 100 are the manual setting possibilities, but should rather be fummlig because of the small joystick is controlled. How is that for the HV 30 solved?

I hope I have not forgotten, and my contribution is not too confusing;)

MfG

Markus

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Antwort von domain:

Socher general inquiries have relatively little sense, but they are continuously in the same manner asked.
Nobody here will give you a clear hint of this to different personal preferences.
But there is a mass of material just to these two camcorders here and in other forums.
I think it's always a little weird when people take responsibility of their personal decision made with cryptic reasons to want to pass others.

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Antwort von --Der_Dude--:

This is not about the shift of decision-making. I make my decisions as an independent-minded person in my own contribution is much more a matter of confusion after my research, when I had to decide for two, still exist to eliminate them.
Furthermore, I do not think that my most commonly asked question is, in question "should I get the hf 100 or the HV 30 kafen" I could understand this criticism.
I have described aspects are important to me and wanted to be merely Beginners advice and experience to obtain this decision perfectly rational and to solve them.

And precisely because of these two camcorders "a mass of material", there are statements that contradict each other.
That does not help at all as a way to beginners, because once the manual zoom in with his shaky Hv30 joystick control and a different times by a dial.

Mfg

Markus

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Antwort von Rolf Hankel:

"- Der_Dude -" wrote: This is not about the shift of decision-making. I make my decisions as an independent-minded person in my own contribution is much more a matter of confusion after my research, when I had to decide for two, still exist to eliminate them.
Furthermore, I do not think that my most commonly asked question is, in question "should I get the hf 100 or the HV 30 kafen" I could understand this criticism.
I have described aspects are important to me and wanted to be merely Beginners advice and experience to obtain this decision perfectly rational and to solve them.

And precisely because of these two camcorders "a mass of material", there are statements that contradict each other.
That does not help at all as a way to beginners, because once the manual zoom in with his shaky Hv30 joystick control and a different times by a dial.

Mfg

Markus


Hello
It's best you do it like me, I've purchased BOTH.
The sharpness with the bodies of the joystick in the HF100 works unexpectedly well.
You need to hold you over, or BAND PASS, archiving with tape is a natural simple case of the card I will be on external TWO
Secure hard drives and then you have to stop to keep meticulous order, say in a year, certain shots widerzufinden. But that should not be difficult.
I actually cut with Eddius5; in Edius scene tape can be separated from the card and have the clips to hold umgewandel be unnecessary work.
It is all a matter of habituation.
Ultimately the final decision you nobody decrease.
Gruss Rolf ...

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Antwort von --Der_Dude--:

Thanks for the quick and accurate answer!

Yes I have this setup already considered synonymous to me ^ ^ If the purse but not her.
What is it now when Hv30 with manual focus from? Wheel synonymous or joystick?
What work do you prefer? From the picture, they should not greatly differ, at least in my view such videos have detected ^ ^

MfG

Markus

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Antwort von domain:

"The focus wheel next to the lens is far too easy, has no perceptible pattern and therefore offers only weak substitute for a real ring."

From: http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/ Canon HV30-Evolution.html Missed ---

Why do I find this passage within 30 seconds of Googling inc and not you?

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Antwort von --Der_Dude--:

The same information I have found synonymous. But I do here at the Forum in an article about the drive Hv30 relating to noise synonymous something of a joystick, I was confused! And wanted to be the confirmation of an owner of the 30th Hv And it would not be the first time that a test Slashcam facts are wrong. See Resolutions 100 U.S. Hf model.

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Antwort von domain:

Considering your future career desires are both camera models Kockorlores. This includes a Henkelmann ago, a lot of manual, proper weight, because what you can learn.
Moreover, one begins not with his thoughts on the camera, but with the intended workflow. Without ProRes422 twice and conversion of AVCHD to final format, you will not get round in FinalCut. But that's synonymous a good thing, yes sollst experience.

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Antwort von --Der_Dude--:

Thank you for your answers. Your comments help us critical advantages and disadvantages weighed.
The preferred workflow would be with individual clips to work, because Final Cut but no native AVCHD support
I'm just not sure if it is not by umwandlerei s.ende but time-consuming than the material from the tape to get.
Since there is me now another question, which I hope you'll answer.
What is it with separation from the scene? Detects Final Cut HV 30 in the different scenes? In an earlier scene, he has no separations can recognize.

MfG

Markus

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Antwort von joey23:

Yes, Final Cut recognize the individual takes.

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Antwort von Rolf Hankel:

"- Der_Dude -" wrote: Thanks for the quick and accurate answer!

Yes I have this setup already considered synonymous to me ^ ^ If the purse but not her.
What is it now when Hv30 with manual focus from? Wheel synonymous or joystick?
What work do you prefer? From the picture, they should not greatly differ, at least in my view such videos have detected ^ ^

MfG

Markus

Hello
From the picture quality difference between the two did not (my feeling)
The small roller s.der HV30 is obviously not synonymous in the yellow from the egg as well as the sharp points on the joystick, since a ring would be sold as s.meiner Panas. GS400 course better. But somehow we must stop compromising Close if you do not have Geldsch ....
Look at some of the new Panasonics to
Gruss Rolf ...

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Antwort von --Der_Dude--:

Okey thank you s.alle I have supplied the answers here. The new Panasonic looks extremely good ... Is just a little too expensive.
My decision is now on the Hv30 fallen since the post-production but comfortable fails.

MfG

Markus

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Antwort von domain:

That was certainly a good decision, especially since we have recently learned that the HF 100 solid except noise not much s.zusätzlichem O-Sound can produce :-))
Weird, formerly the Laufwerksheulen always criticized the HV20, it is now comparatively exemplary da, dz dz ...

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Antwort von deti:

Sure, as a tape drive is totally super:
- Man has to wear when recording and playing wear,
- You wait forever on the import of the images and requires a Firewire interface, the increasingly rare as standard exists,
- The camera can not use vibration.

This is the future security, jawoll!

I do not know why here AVCHD always so strong warning, although all current PCs easy to deal with them directly (eg, Sony Vegas Movie Studio) - all without prior transcoding in an inappropriate, but highly metaformat.

For all the cynicism: HDV is a technology of yesterday. Here is MPEG2 in a non-standard HD format (1440x1080) recorded. The format is not the BD standard (HD-technical upper limit in the consumer sector), nor on YouTube (HD lower limit) directly compatible and must be transcoded and scaled.

I know that many here think differently, but something is bad for farsightedness in acquisitions today are not synonymous. My opinion: If MPEG2, then at least with XDCAM 35MBits / s - otherwise H.264 AVC at 17-24Mbit / s.

Deti

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Antwort von nachtspion:

I am fully deti's opinion.
I did the first time s.Wochenende tapeless worked. The workflow is terrific!

I want nothing more. I mean, how often the question arises as to how many hours a camera head, if someone wishes to sell them. This means that a camera with a cassette tape a value loss. This avoids a loss of value "tapeless" camera.

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Antwort von --Der_Dude--:

@ Deti.
That these arguments were initially the reason I am
The HF100 was interested. Since we are cutting, but both
Mac pc use is synonymous with AVCHD ProRes conversion aufm Mac disadvantage.

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Antwort von deti:

I'm synonymous Mac users. But use Parallels with Windows XP Pro and Sony Vegas. Thus I have the same Project files (as usual in the company) and I have my Final Cut Pro with no stress (that would be slow, resource-consuming and difficult to operate).

Deti

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Antwort von Shiranai:

Deti @: A big thumbs up, you really hit the nail on the head. That is exactly my opinion synonymous.
The rumors around here constantly disseminated are now simply wrong and probably originate from the period of about 1-2 years ago than AVCHD support for the programs is still in its infancy and the graphics cards do not support HD playback.
Fact is, AVCHD editing is now no more witchcraft and the memory card recording offers more advantages than disadvantages.
Well but it is well with everything so there are always fans and you have to decide for a Page. Whether it's Canon vs Sony, Playstation or Xbox or even vs AVCHD vs HDV.

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Antwort von traveller-71:

Hi,

Last year I started my camcorder with the new systems to address and about tape or memory card.
A few weeks ago was only on the subject, new Panasonic SD300, the new Canon HF models or the HF100.

Last week I ordered the HF100 and get me because of the incipient "Megapixelwahn" in the field of non-convincing.

For me, the future is clearly in store on-chip technologies and AVCHD.

Because there are far more advantages than disadvantages.

And all the worries of whether the PC is fast enough and so forth are now synonymous in the past.

Hence the clear recommendation, a store with on SD card to buy.

Regards
traveler-71

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