Frage von bluedater:
Dear Forum,
have a slightly older PC, which I for DV editing AVCHD would like to upgrade. Currently he provides as follows:
- Board: Asus P5LD2, i945P
- Processor: Intel P4 640, 3.2 GHz
- CPU Cooler: Intel P4 Coolers
- RAM: 2x512 MB MDT
- Graphics: MSI NX6600-VTD 256EH, GeForce 6600, 256MB
- Hard drive 1: 250GB Samsung SpinPoint
- Hard Drive 2: Samsung SpinPoint 500GB
- Power Supply: 430W Sharkoon Silent Storm
- Case: Cooler Master Centurion 5 MIDI Tower
- Case fan: Pope 4412
After intensive reading and discussion, I would like to Ihne converted as follows:
- Board: Asus P5Q (Alt: Asus P5LD2, i945P)
- Processor: Intel Q6600 boxed (Alt: Intel P4 640, 3.2 GHz)
- Processor cooler: Xigmatek 1284 (Alt: Intel P4 cooler)
- RAM: 2x2 GB Kingston ValueRAM, CL5 (Alt: 2x512 MB MDT)
- Graphics: MSI NX6600-VTD 256EH, GeForce 6600, 256MB
- Hard drive 1: 250GB Samsung SpinPoint
- Hard Drive 2: Samsung SpinPoint 500GB
- Power Supply: 430W Sharkoon Silent Storm
- Case: Cooler Master Centurion 5 MIDI Tower
- Case fan: Pope 4412
What is your opinion? If the desired configuration wise? What would you change if necessary?
Thank you and many greetings,
Blue Sue
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Blue Sue
When AVC is (contrary to the publications of the Yellow Press) less on computing power than the architecture.
The graphics cards today with Vector DSP architectures s.als better CPUs. Therefore you come with a relatively simple calculator, a graphics card that meets the requirements of an editing software and, in turn, with the graphics card is working together like this.
Combinations such as ADOBE / or CyberLink NVIDIA / NVIDIA are currently the most popular parts.
Pure software solutions are synonymous, but do not reach the performance of the SW / HW combination.
Otherwise synonymous schau mal hier:
http://forum.slashcam.de/diy-wohnzimmer-htpc-and-schnitt-pc-lt350-euro-vt62968.html?highlight=nvidia
Antwort von Marco:
Take a dual-core CPU with the highest possible performance. This brings in the rule for AVCHD editing more than quad, which might per cluster are lower clocked dual cores available, and already more than a certain graphics card. Because no current news editing program for AVCHD uses the average performance of the graphics card as an aid for the decoding of the AVCHD.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
MPEG are asymmetrical methods:
little effort in decoding, but a lot of effort in encoding.
The Decoding makes every decent player without graphics support and on mediocre hardware, only for DV editing is of course something more than just play the files.
At least when you realize Bewegungsprädiktion but the difference dramatically.
Antwort von Marco:
But what I wrote, is now the state of things when it comes to a pragmatic answer to a question of how the Blue Sue to find.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
But the primary concern is not quite sure but relatively useless upgrade a PC but the most effective (and cheapest) method to the most effective AVC (native) editing to come.
Or have I misunderstood something?
Antwort von Marco:
I think that is the point. But since there is currently no system can cut that to a graphics card for AVCHD decoding could rely, does not leave much. It is certainly interesting to know where the potential uses of AVCHD hardwardseitig basically lies. But who is currently a solution looking for immediately tangible, AVCHD editing as effectively as possible, which is possible with fast CPU core currently s.besten served. 2x 3.4 GHz - and the thing is running.
If you believe that there are better solutions already exist, based on the optimized interaction with the graphics card is based, then it would be for Blue Sue only help him if purchasable concrete examples can be mentioned, including a cutting system, the synonymous use.
I certainly would not rule out that since in the past few weeks what s.mir has passed, but I know there is no editing system that AVCHD editing of anything more could benefit as of a more fast CPU core.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
So I do not know how the availability in Europe, but we have since 4 days, the Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 on a run 4C-Intel/8GBRam/Vista 64.
On the original GC FX3000 ran the terrible, the Quadro FX, but all processes are running absolutely flawlessly.
We do not have any intensive editing that made it synonymous because the calculator is in use elsewhere, but the first impression is more than satisfactory and I do not know at the moment where you see the problem?
Antwort von Marco:
I see no problem. I just contradict your recommendation, which is thus no one should for AVCHD editing in a
current system set-up on the graphics card set.
That a system like at CS4 yet tested did not impinge on Vista 64 with all its advantages regarding the use of hardware is running, but has nothing to do, because the AVCHD editing benefited synonymous in CS4 is not of the graphics card.
Systems, as a real 64-bit Vista system 64 and so 4-core and 8-core systems with more than 4 GB of Ram principle use (but off the clock frequency for AVCHD editing - rendering generally excluded), there others are synonymous. But that has nothing to do with the graphics card as decoder help to do so. And yet nothing so synonymous if AVCHD editing by the high number of CPU core or better is supported.
Say -
quite specifically - which currently purchasable editing system with the graphics card currently purchasable especially because of the graphics card which supports AVCHD editing. I learn so happy about this.
In view of the actual question and the experience needed to edit AVCHD yet been made and discussed, I can in my view only say that of the Blue Sue targeted system to basically onist, but especially for AVCHD editing a - if synonymous only minimally - faster dual core CPU core is the better processing power could bring. The Quad He is probably just as well for rendering accelerator feel. And the graphics card, he must therefore mometan do not worry.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
Why do you render from? ...
This is one of the main problems and the specific changes I have just described ... purchasable and the system is synonymous.
I do not even deny that AVC synonymous with "on-board means" very good work was when the calculator a few weeks was able to render unnecessary (it is now deliberately exaggerated).
Otherwise, above all your
very specific questions already answered.
And I can support the GPU, however, highly recommended ... the course synonymous editing program provided that can handle it.
So GPU under any Software ... The course is nothing!
Antwort von Marco:
Because the rendering is generally not during an operation, but the actual handling of this and usually less than brake perceived as a key stock and playback latencies during the editing. Who asks what the AVCHD editing favored, so that usually means primarily the editing. It is particularly important as the work in the timeline is running. Can render a system while the user is sleeping or drinking coffee. But when editing the user waits, or the user is annoyed when system hesitates. In addition, there is for its rendering and acceleration are still other alternatives, such as Netzwerkrendern.
I can understand your previous posts, no specific recommendation can be found, because you rather vague goals to two from Manufacturer.
Did you actually even have to work with AVCHD? I mean, with AVCHD - a normal video camera, not from the laboratory. With an editing system, which is true to their own experience and can on a PC which is currently selling and is affordable?
You're probably the first to be of the GraKa than AVCHD editing accelerators could testify.
"And I can support the GPU, however, highly recommended ... this is obviously synonymous editing program provided that can handle it." Completely my opinion - but as s.die Apell Manufacturer, not s.die users, the lack of such system combinations thereof still have nothing.
Marco
Antwort von domain:
"PNY's Quadro CX defines a software when, with the H.264 video with Premiere Pro CS4 - depending on the PC - up to 4x faster can be generated."
If this text http://www.golem.de/0811/63402.html to be taken literally (only the production is in fact mentioned) and Marcos statements also true (which I do not doubt), then you can get for H.264 even this extremely expensive graphics card in conjunction with Adobe's probably rather forget.
Because obviously expect the user in the first place especially when editing an acceleration and not necessarily the final rendering.
Thank you Marco for this notice, which is unfortunately the case in an entirely different light and confirmed me that the entire native AVCHD Chose even after several computer upgrades is still quite a cramp is.
That of a general CS4 GPU support will benefit while I think already (thus the benefits in Liquid and Studio, for example, are so blatantly) but here is specifically concerned with H.264 acceleration.
Antwort von bluedater:
Hi,
first of all thank you for your contributions.
The notice of Wolfgang asked me, in fact, somewhat aback, because I have many contributions actually only have heard two things: a fast CPU, as much RAM and large hard disks. Of course, I am open to alternative approaches, however, bring them to me, in fact, not much, if I do not refer to specific products. My jeztige configuration is definitely too weak VLC plays HD videos are not really from. When I cut on Vegas Video, which I would like not synonymous away. And now the question arises whether it is a board that supports a HD chipset. I understand that the AMD 780G chipset afford to be. Somewhere I read that the Intel G45, the counterpart to the AMD 780G is. Is that correct? What supports this chipset, but really? When playing, when you run of Vegas Video, or when rendering with Vegas? Marco As rightly pointed out, the rendering is not so critical, it needs time anyway, whether 1h or 2h is important, but not the war decisively. If the Vegas but lame, then the whole thing makes no fun.
So, once again the following questions:
1) Is the Intel G45 Alternative?
2) Is the Intel P45 plus a Radeon HD 3450 is also an alternative?
3) What brauchts Processor? What needs the graphics card?
4) How would you top of the configuration change?
Thanks & Greetings, Blue Sue
Antwort von Marco:
Vegas is the graphics card completely no preference. If you vsdas Vegas with rendering speed wanted (to me it is clear that you will not really matter), then you would be responsible for Vegas 8.1 on Vista 64 with 2x 4-core and preferably more than 4 GB of Ram is the best choice. Also working with complex compositing will be smoother. But the normal-editing AVCHD is the seemingly unable to benefit.
I have worked for many years even with Vegas and then on two different systems since about a year synonymous with AVCHD (but not on a 64-bit system). I can confirm that the processor clock is not the measure of all things, because different processors with equivalent clock bringing in AVCHD editing actually different performance. But nobody was able to date a binding statement on the table, because of "take the Athlon AB, XY instead of Intel, so that's running faster." But if you take the same processor, then its clocking the A & O "for AVCHD editing. In this case, definitely the faster the better. The Ram is playing, if it is not Vegas 8.1 as a real 64-bit system is a minor role (as appears to be a quad in Comparison to dual-core) and the graphics card is - I can only repeat - totally insignificant.
Marco
Antwort von wolfgang:
Marco, I share your opinion not quite - what Duocore versus the Quad is concerned. We have already synonymous Quad similar high clocked are - something I would take. By now my older Q6600 - overclocked to 3.3 Ghz - the thing flies very nice. The quad is still holding additional benefits for rendering, as compared with the Duocore. Vegas uses the Quad synonymous quite good. I would no longer take the Q600, its the 2.4 Ghz in the basic settings are just little more naturally.
Antwort von Marco:
For rendering, yes, no question. But for playback during editing?
Good running is doing so even on my laptop with 2.8 GHz Dual Core.
But why the "seemingly" in my post above. Sure, I can be at Quad vs. Dual does not.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
Hi Marco
Of course it is always a question of what works on the system cut out, but when I see it as pure Wiedergabesytem use, I need of course only one player.
Who asks what the AVCHD editing favored, so that usually means primarily the editing. What do you in editing? Color correction, keying, noise filtering, windowing? or just average? (And the combination thereof).
And should your effects while you are still working to be visible, or if you like the surprise in a few days if you are with a slightly longer post to do?
Did you actually even have to work with AVCHD? I mean, with AVCHD - a normal video camera, Yes, however, we get enough material AVCHD playback "of ordinary cameras, which we insert into our productions.
Sometimes we are lead immediately after the AVC-I, but it often is synonymous preprocessed and then inserted.
Your question about our current constellation has long been answered. Slightly careful reading would have been unnecessary demand:
we have since 4 days, the Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 on a run 4C-Intel/8GBRam/Vista 64.
On the original FX3000 GC Now the new constellation is not as old as that one major report on the delivery could. I have but the last 2 hours so at least you can employ in order to say that a fairly intense difference in the use of the FX3000 or the CX with respect to the representation of Farbkorrigierten images. Even the smallest changes in image content lead to a rendering to be held in the CX, depending on what was done, not even to (significant) Render times, ie a quasi synonymous work in real time is possible, but without question the CX after (6 hours) Render the Picture time determine.
Of course you can do everything over night. It's just always on the way and claim that my earnings if I (still) want to see whether next week or last.
Even if you say, in the normal display you notice no difference. It may now be a subjective impression, but my feeling is that everything has become liquid. But there is just only the subjective impression.
As mentioned, the system is only here since Tuesday and has not been intense and this is only a first impression too.
But that is clearly different.
.... and the graphics card is - I can only repeat - totally insignificant.
This may be related to the playback of images are true.
For a treatment of a cut in the environment but not at all.
Perhaps speaks so synonymous Vegas to support any graphics card, it does PP4 however.
You should therefore relativize the statement and say:
.... and the graphics card is - I can only repeat - (for VEGAS) totally insignificant.
Now you can only Blue Sue know what type of incision and the extent to which processing of the question .... and precisely synonymous, whether the results could be at work play a role or not.
Antwort von wolfgang:
For rendering, yes, no question. But for playback during editing?
Good running is doing so even on my laptop with 2.8 GHz Dual Core.
But we need both playback as synonymous rendering. We know that the NLEs the 4 seed for the play does not use - that is holding it. When rendering is exactly the other way around - here are the 4 cores perfectly exploited.
The graphics card is insignificant in Vegas, in other editing programs will look different.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Wolfgnag
That with the 4C is clear, You know my attitude about this so, the calculator was just as available and not purchased for this purpose. (So please, do not understand as a recommendation)
Otherwise, I agree with the 2C totally agree.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well the above configuration is anyway a rather powerful - soo bad is surely not. I got CS4 for test purposes can not comment - perhaps I will have more to do. But for me to pile up again eh time the NLEs for testing ... so no hurry.
But basically I would like to see when editing very well be a preview synonymous with such things as color etc - the half I need in real time, so things will live synonymous adjust. Sowas must not only after a rendering process is available.
Antwort von Jörg:
We know that the NLEs the 4 seed for the play does not use - that is holding it. times as it was, for the CS4 is after my first experience in any case no more.
Here is the Quad when needed in every state up to 100% raised and used. Whenever there is demand. You do not just a format suitable for the sequence file into the timeline and look at the utilization of s.Sysmon. Without Premiere CS4 will render all nuclei strive to play the file.
The same applies to the cut. The effects induced by rendering needs (without a render of course) a full advantage of the cores may result.
I have not yet examined all the effects, the important keyer and Farbkorrekturtools show this behavior.
Even when Vorschaurendern, the performance of all cores (at least the 4
from the quad) to 100% utilized.
@ wowu
Your experiences are consistent with reports that today I have received from overseas. A multitude of things when editing in CS4 is of the
CX almost extremely accelerated. If yes synonymous its price.
Gruß Jörg
Antwort von Marco:
Wowu because concretised Blue Sue, that he / she works with Vegas and wants to remain synonymous with, was my reply to his posting, obviously, in Vegas terms. That's what I said in my answer is yes again synonymous clearly expressed.
In Vegas, I must synonymous with the AVCHD editing in filterings not wait on a result. I see it, while I'm filtering fine, so while I move the slider and it works synonymous during playback. I do not know how else halfway manière could work. Cash is playing with such filters do not strictly necessary, but in any case, I have a 1:1-time feedback during filterings have.
But this is synonymous in Vegas: The graphics card is not at all because, on the other hand, the CPU is (almost) everything.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
Marco, I am sorry for you ... with the implementation of the VEGAS me is somehow not noticed.
I was always somewhat of a pure hardware-based inquiry and have made the first post somehow not so ersehen.
mea culpa
In the application, you have absolutely right of course.
Sorry.
Edit: But somehow, I find this still does not? :-(
Antwort von Marco:
What you'll find not? The notes of Blue Sue to Vegas?
In his last posting:
"When I cut on Vegas Video, which I would like not synonymous away." ...
"What Marco has correctly noted, the rendering is not so critical, it needs time eh" This eliminates the issue of this graphics card and the issue of quad has at least no more so a high priority.
Marco
Antwort von bluedater:
... oh dear, what have I just losgetreten.
Thanks for all the contributions, I clarify again.
On my current PC I use Vegas for SD editing. Use the whole thing as an amateur for personal use, not as a professional for commercial purposes. I currently have no digicam, but plan to purchase a Canon HF 100th Since I am now no HD material with smooth VLC can play anywhere and read that AVCHD a state-of-the-art PC is required, I have debated the same time that I upgrade the PC. I do not need high-end equipment, would simply like to be able to work comfortably. What is this comfortable? When I watch HD videos, I want to see smooth. When I edit HD videos, I would like the effects of filters or of Composites in the preview can see, without that I must render and if I am satisfied with the result and I must render, then I wait until it is finished. The faster the better, but as I said, whether now takes 2 hours or 2:30, I am no preference.
So far I have understood:
- A Core 2 Duo instead of a Core 2 Quad is doing it synonymous
- The GraKa neither plays for playback or for editing a large role
Still unclear are:
1) Is the Intel G45 chipset is an alternative to an AMD 70 chip?
2) Is the Intel P45 plus a Radeon HD 3450 is also an alternative?
3) How would you top of the configuration change?
Thanks & Greetings, Blue Sue
PS And one more: I need new hardware, here is, the fewer the better, because I do not want to spend more than necessary. But if I buy new hardware, then I will ensure that the system works. Oh yes, and because I want to obtain timely, I must now s.Markt under the existing components, taking into account the price-performance ratio select.
