Frage von Jan12:
Hello Together,
the next time is for me to invest a new camcorder.
My favorites are currently the SonyPMW-EX3 and the Panasonic AG-HPX301E.
The EX3 pleases me usder larger chip and the higher light sensitivity. And of course the opportunity to work ggf with a 35 mm DOF too.
With the Panasonic s.Videoformaten pleases me more clearly the Choice and the much higher MBits.
Of course there are more differences. What interests me s.meisten: does anybody know whether you can work with the Panasonic synonymous with 35mm adapter?
Greetings
January
Antwort von deti:
With the Panasonic s.Videoformaten pleases me more clearly the Choice and the much higher MBits. The DVCPRO (; HD) compression is much less efficient, resulting in a grandiose waste of space if you do not want to record really need 4:2:2 respectively.
In terms of 35mm adapter, which is generally 0.5 to 1 f-stop (n) s.Licht lost, I would be on the Camera with the more sensitive / larger sensors guess.
Even otherwise, according to the AG http://www.camcorder-test.com/camcorder-8c47d6bf49f28539d5f4a5da0999f66e.html inferior optical HPX301E the EX3.
Deti
Antwort von Manfred23:
On the subject of 4:2:2, I am synonymous not so sure. Sell to us from un mal synonymous Publicly s.The legal material, as would be 4:2:2 better. Even in the post-it's partly not unimportant.
Ex3 provides only or 4:2:0?
Yes, the Panasonic DVC PRO HD delivers not only synonymous but AVC-Intra, and that is already very efficient.
I've seen pictures of both test camcorders and I think the decision was difficult. In low light, the EX3 is clearly over better. In good light, I found the pictures, despite 1 / 3 inch in the Panasonic sharper.
In some pictures there, despite the way, small chip at relatively low tele a very nice "depth of the game" with little depth of field. Me at least, has very much surprised.
I would choose between the two synonymous. But which one? hm.
Antwort von Chezus:
if 1 / 3 or 1 / 2 inches, you reach more beautiful depth of field when you zoom close ran. Only when this leads to the situation?
The EX 1 or EX 3 are synonymous, the relatively compact cameras with an adapter to be quite heavy. An adapter with HPX more difficult.
I would meet with the compact version. Come on it you really want to make s.was. EB shots, documentaries, event films, etc.
Antwort von Manuell:
If it was not synonymous interesting for you because the HPX500? Or do they fall out because of pixel shift?
For the 2 / 3 inch CCDs are good for lowlight and you get even get closer to it s.35mm.
Think but you have excluded them because of the price and / or pixel shift already, then forget my post :-)
Antwort von Manfred23:
The 500 obviously has a much higher price, even if we include the optics, which indeed is not there, even more so.
And pixel shift, I did not find that interesting.
I have been with the AJ-HPX2100 rotated. A dream. I can not afford me, but definitely. The application area is predominate, corporate video, industrial films and travel documents.
Ne shoulder camera I would have preferred. Am originally from television and knew, therefore, only the really big cameras.
But so ne EX3 would be virtually synonymous for a lot.
So put s.Deiner, try out both times.
Antwort von Jan12:
4:2:2 would be important.
Is the Panasonic really bad from the picture?
But we can now s.The screw on a 35 mm adapter?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... you can now s.The screw on a 35 mm adapter? ... Why should not you? The only question is whether such a combination it is still quite manageable. In such camcorders are so happy to use instead of the usual optics known as a relay lens that is much more compact. Disadvantage 1: At present my knowledge there are no "relay lens" for the 1/3-Inch-Format, Letus And Cinevate but should work on it. And Disadvantage 2: Budget of the fun is not well - that are available for 1/2- and 2/3-inch are as of 3000 to $ 4000.
Antwort von Jan12:
Cheap ne relay lens but not when there's so much work you and the (; commercial) then it would be worth it already.
Synonymous, but I think that it is not for the 1 / 3 inch.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
We all have our 500s to 300s replaced because we were in the mix with the 2700ern on a 10bit-AVC-I Worklow and are very satisfied, especially since the 10 bit is clear (in the Picture, and keying in) noticeable. The images are mostly mixed with material of the two samples and are scarcely distinguishable, except by the differences in the lenses. We einwenig miss that we can use the super 2 / 3 optics not really on the 300.
The sensor sizes You can not compare directly with each other, because the EX has a 4:3 design, the 300, but a 16:9 design. The diagonal would be comparable, but not the location in the image circle. Which is more efficient at 16:9. Also, the pixel pitch is better than the 1 / 2 "of Sony.
Now we make our documentaries never really in the dark but have more in the area in which we work to fight against too much light.
The weight of the camera does not matter to us because we operate from a tripod or crane.
Anyone who makes hands-free HD, it must be very brave, or a really quiet "hands" have. And focus freehand is synonymous such a thing when you look at it, the MTF, if only slightly, "is the mark." So is not an issue with us, synonymous Cinema adapters have no relevance for us.
For the past several years, we have our workflow set to AVC-I and have been perfectly clear to come.
(Previously, 3 months, we have the cameras now) no complaints or limitations. Beautiful is synonymous, that the CAC works dynamically, so synonymous with focal changes, and not as static in the EX and the zuschaltet only at a fixed focal.
All in all ... a clear recommendation.
Antwort von Jan12:
Hello Wolfgang,
of course that is great, a recommendation of someone who has tested the cam already in practice. since I now know the great P2s, I'd feel with with the 301E probably fast well.
What I would still be of interest:
How strong is because the difference of the optics perceived?
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Jan
When I push that we drew mourn the 2 / 3 optics einwenig, then this has on the E-Series, of which we have a set and they could use the 500ern. Unfortunately this is now no more.
In general, however, suggests the Lens but surprisingly good when I think s.das Fuji, which was then supplied with the JVC, so are in between worlds.
Of course, the price to be toll calls and leads to diffraction effects in the wide-angle. Strange to say, s. below the edge more than in the corner where they would be more likely suspect.
The Lens einwenig prone to yellowing compared to other lenses, but can be achieved by correcting the white shading values are eliminated. Caution it is only when we exchanged Lenses (; color constancy). The lens moves to another (much in the lenses, apparently) production diversification. Fuji says to request repair.
Quite useful, the contrast transfer in backlight. Long story ... pretty neat (; measured s.price) and not with the HD (compare, exchange) lenses of the first generation. The Manufacturers seem to have learned to do so.
A brief word to Class50. We have made even a Comparison to HDCAMEX (and only screening) and had the impression that the compression looks slightly better, close to that of the HDCAM422. To that extent you have (despite lower chroma resolution; Clas 50 only 4:2:0) synonymous here still quite good results. Perhaps as an additional impression.
Antwort von Jan12:
A word on Class50 I understand this correctly, when I die AVI Cam Class50 so it works with 4:2:2?
But otherwise it makes the cam or 4:2:2? That is, one would have to turn in DVC PRO HD?
Antwort von WoWu:
In Class 50, she works in 4:2:0
In Class 100 in 4:2:2
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Currently, there are still no ... "relay lens" for the 1/3-Inch-Format, Letus And Cinevate but should work on it ... And one thing is already there:
http://www.letusdirect.com/cart/letus-one-third-inch-relay.html
Antwort von Axel:
... Currently, there are still no ... "relay lens" for the 1/3-Inch-Format, Letus And Cinevate but should work on it ...
And one thing is already there:
http://www.letusdirect.com/cart/letus-one-third-inch-relay.html Note the friendly
Low Price flags. What NA (; synonymous
if the DoF setup assembled) remains, which is fumbling with focal and zoom to adjust the back focus, and later his inadvertent and initially inconspicuous adjusting (by touch;!) One of the rings s.Camcorders. Although adapter users have already become accustomed to the word "avoid comfortably", there is this double-focus Chose with the starter crank below the grille similar, while the others already vorbeischnurren with electric cars.
Antwort von deti:
That is what I think I always synonymous! Since the long-awaited "film look" consists mainly in showing a huge 35mm adapter construction. It simply looks at very large movies from ;-)
... But of course I'm 'only' and not a creative engineer and therefore my opinion counts for nothing s.dieser place synonymous.
Deti
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... As the long-awaited "film look" consists mainly in showing a huge 35mm adapter design ... In this context, is synonymous of the practice of HPX300 Test s.Beispiel a "real" film - no 35mm adapter - interesting:
http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/production_diary_hpx300_brockett.html
Antwort von WoWu:
I just wonder, why not remove the yellow cast of the lens ...??
Or you have not noticed it? Perhaps they have the "White shading adjustment synonymous not found ..
Or is dan again a new "film look"?
