Frage von Vinten:
Hi,
We are just ahead of the decision which of the above camcorder we want growth.
Has anyone ever tested the two? Which makes better pictures?
Because 35MBits vs. 100Mbit, but has the Sony chip But a 1080er and the Panasonic a 720er and should expect high ...
Thank you for your help
Greeting
Antwort von jmarugg:
the pan-aj hpx300 is unknown to me, surely you mean the 500th
Antwort von Vinten:
Oh yes, sorry, of course, the 500th .. was a typo ..
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Because 35MBits vs. 100Mbit, but has the Sony chip But a 1080er and the Panasonic a 720er and should expect high ... In addition to the actual camera comes another criterion comes into play: You decide you so synonymous for a workflow - P2 or XDCAM HD disc. If the price is not so crucial (yes, the F355 costs roughly twice the HPX500), I would go to the Sony so grasping. For your application may of course be different.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von robbie:
The codec 35MBits of Sonyist absolutely not bad. It encodes an extremely efficient, and of artifacts, even at extremely rapid movements, or as Strobelichtern no trace.
You should think what you want to do. A documentary, with many days of filming somewhere? Or reports? Then please Sony. Even the 4 sound channels glad you then ...
Have you ever time and shooting a short film, then take the Pana with a 35mm adapter ..
Antwort von WoWu:
Take the HPX-500.
2 / 3 "to 1 / 2" .....
DVCPro - / - MPEG,
P2. /. Disc
We have the F355 a few weeks to test .... after a week there were problems with the disc lock, which then only with the screwdriver handle let the camera do not tolerate vibrations ... what documentation do not work as scheduled.
Results are dropouts ..... and although hearty. The cameraman has refused after 2 weeks, the mill is still with rauszunehmen ...
And then you have because this comic discs .... Wahnsinn format, even Sony now not next runs. And the P2 workflow is now become a standard and probably no more or less reasonable NLE a problem.
And then there is obviously still around. half price ....
If you double necessarily want to spend, you get already a 2xxxer for something really good.
If you have questions else ...
Oh, incidentally, scanned in 1080, the HPX500
p 50/60, (and based on 3x2 / 3 "with the corresponding pixel-pitch!) Has the Resolutionund motion components, they not only recordet in 1080p50 because the format has not yet defined (standardized) is.
And .... Not to mention the 500s as well as the 2xxxer and 3xxxer support of Canon and Fujinon developed "CAC"!
The times when such F3xx
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... F355 ... tolerates no vibrations ... what documentation do not work as scheduled ... Have you caught there a runaway, or should be in comparison to the robustness of their popular predecessors, 330 and 350 have changed so much? I can honestly not imagine. After all, include the XDCAM HD's most popular documentary and reportage cameras worldwide. Even CNN has been so hard after comparative tests with Panasonic P2 cameras and the Grass Valley Infinity of finally for XDCAM HD as a future standard-format acquisition decision.
... this comic format discs .... madness, even Sony now operates not next ... What do you mean that Sonydieses format is no longer "run" would be? The discs are still current, new camcorder with this "madness format only on the market (useben the F355), another to follow shortly, synonymous the periphery is constantly expanded.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von libero66:
That's true even if the Sony XDCAM HD format can not be really pushing. The next camcorder will be a 3x2 / 3 "Body and synonymous to a new codec (HD XDCAM IMX 422). Unfortunately this vorrauss. No SD format can record.
I agree because WoWu that 500 is certainly the most flexible choice.
Antwort von robbie:
That's true even if the Sony XDCAM HD format can not be really pushing. The next camcorder will be a 3x2 / 3 "Body and synonymous to a new codec (HD XDCAM IMX 422). Unfortunately this vorrauss. No SD format can record.
I agree because WoWu that 500 is certainly the most flexible choice. nenene ... the first camera of this series is called PDW-700 has, as I said, 3x 2 / 3 "and supports
all existing XDCAM and XDCAMHD recording possibilities further XDCAMHD422 with 50Mbit. DVCAM25 So, IMX30, IMX40, IMX50 in SD area, and in the HD field XDCAMHD 18,25,35 and XDCAMHD422 with 50Mbit. The whole in 1080 and 720th;) [/ u]
Antwort von libero66:
Sorry, you're right, because I have probably told what wrong ...
this is how rumors ...
s best greetings
Antwort von libero66:
Sunday ..
Now again, the exact demand
the Camera is the first delivery status (late March, early April) is still not able to record SD format. These options are for reasons of time until the late summer post as an update to his. As far as my "source "....
lg s
Antwort von robbie:
Really? funny ... Straight IMX Camera s.der I would rather go off, and into autumn only in HD and everything runterkonvertieren, it needs the part yes None, which is now in the current service works ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Only with the AZ format is the problem of the DISC is not resolved and that is indeed the weak point, if such a part not only in ballrooms and for press conferences should be used.
The question is really how useful it is now for such an exotic format makers to decide ... where the path into the memory card but now is truly cemented.
Even if I use it for archiving ... there is ultimately no kompartibles data and therefore I will always allow such player must be reserved ....
Power as something meaningful? A card for as synonymous always kind of memory card I will be in 30 years may still rise, but such a disc player?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... The question is really how useful it is now for such an exotic format makers to decide ... where the path into the memory card but now is really cemented ... Certainly an interesting aspect! The more I would be interested to know what considerations, for example, the American broadcaster CNN and CBS for XDCAM HD and P2 against the system have chosen. It's yes to hundreds of TV stations with a demand of s.Tausenden cameras, decks, archive solutions, etc. Do you have more information about this?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von robbie:
A card for as synonymous always kind of memory card I will be in 30 years may still rise, but such a disc player? That means for me
s.du like 30 years on a solid-state memory card, or to my two.
b) that in 5 years probably extremely difficult to be a Beta-SP tape playback
c) that in 30 years, probably even an adapter somewhere on the outdated SATA - System will rise to its archive to be able to connect hard drives. And then the operating system must first understand NTFS ....
d) all the major broadcasters, which are for XDCAM decide what s.der have marbles
What speaks against it, so far as its raw material immediately and without lengthy copying process for archiving?
With formats such as P2 or EX, you must always copy, because it simply is not profitable for 50min archive material 900 ¬ to be paid.
This is easier for XDCAM and moves in the price situation as is currently the tapes. So ok. Moreover, I trust the disc in such a case more than a memory. And on my disc and hard drive ...
But ... only memory? ne, thank you ...
Yet another question: what did you personally against the format? I work for a year very reliably with the PDW-F350.
Antwort von WoWu:
Robbie ...
Obviously I have something personally against this format, based on the bad experiences and tests which we have made.
It would be bad if I personally had no objection but would advise against.
Any opinion expressed here is a subjective opinion and hopefully based on such experiences themselves and not founded on any hearsay or even to catalog information.
Perhaps this is so synonymous really s.den conditions under which we work must docu ... therefore, I said yes synonymous, that the camera is perhaps suitable for press conferences or other events.
Consequently, the synonymous, that I among the experiences can only advise against.
If I would just parrot what others say, that would be no further thoughts for those interested.
If you have any other experience you .... fine, then that is a more personal experience and an equally valuable addition for anyone who is interested.
And, Bernd, as in broadcasting format choices, I have witnessed for years even allowed ...
And the question of archiving we need not new anreißen, which is still nowhere satisfactorily resolved. We will do this even can not afford.
And Robbie:
d) all the major broadcasters, which are for XDCAM decide what s.der have marbles You tend to be somewhat different in the mouth to determine that they do not have said.
You should store this habit and you practicing objectivity in order to be credible.
Antwort von robbie:
So I would not see ... but nice that you are on my exaggerated formulations are received.
Basically I work objectively, so it is for me synonymous very necessary, to hear other opinions and to respect it.
But unfortunately you throw too often with general facts about you so that you in your reports can hineininterpretieren everything.
I have unfortunately only too often, that you have to format and some companies einschießt, and everything else is because of one or other experience that you are in any extraordinary situation turning've made bad.
(per AVCHD, XDCAM anti ...)
XDCAM and that only a format for the daily reporting, I doubt it. Especially for longer productions or traveling abroad, I would put on this format, so as not to copy daily Backing instructed us to be what we in solid state will certainly have to do. ;)
Antwort von WoWu:
Robbie @
I see you've already practiced slightly, but your effort is not really of success, because once again you put me something in the mouth, which I neither said nor meant that.
Of course I prefer the sum of the theoretical and practical experience, now 40 years in television and 15 years in the digital television environment, the better for my needs right format and Hardwarkonstelationen.
You now define the word
ANTIPOLIS and want so again, that my basic stance combine.
I have nothing against other format, each according to his abilities might be happy.
If you are with the format of your favorite're happy, congratulations ... So what bothers you that others with different formats and are satisfied with just the one of you so highly praised format and specifically with the hardware, the worst experiences we had.
Perhaps it was quite an Aussreißer how Bernd says, only with a similar model, we have in the U.S. data dropouts during violent movements had ... maybe still a runaway?
But how many outliers there because then it still?
You will surely understand that this format is not yet a third time and wanted to test at least for our requirements are not used. Even and especially in the light that other equipment is a totally normal behavior s.den be found and one of a rotary s.Ende day synonymous rely, that the material used in the post is what documentation, where you usually do not second chance, you do not completely unimportant.
Certainly you can synonymous, as you say, with the part, long productions and traveling abroad to make ... many of the productions are completely alone, because the missing data you always need to rotate and a part of traveling abroad to use is certainly chic, as long as you do not wind around the nose blowing.
And if you write that the reason the could not be transferred daily to make, then I would it to me straight in the camera well over another, because when you actually need the part after each s.Besten Take control and on the same play. .. else is the surprise after days of recording all the greater when one learns what one
does not have anything.
And maybe even a fix .. Maybe it escaped your attention so that I have MPEG4 H.264 AVC in the form I prefer, but with that of the AVCHD you mentioned are not directly something to do and thus is not correct.
But yes I am glad that the camera and the format of such a vehement supporters have found. Incidentally, you're the first, of which I hear the sosehr for raves ... and now because not interpret anything into it again ... I have extra written, "of which I hear" ... yes, I do not doubt that there are one or the other anymore.
So enjoy yourself on your camera, and if it works, is synonymous me happy.
And, with the "Hineininterpretieren" you should have something to refine. There is still room.
Antwort von robbie:
Space is always good ;)... Shame to hear that this format when you apparently often failed ... And you're up to now the only synonymous, of which I hear;)
Sometimes you have to interpret, which can of course also go. As with any interpretation. Even if your;)
