Frage von Pianist:
Fine reading s.alle good day!
Given me a (relatively new) contracting a few days before a planned rotation date has revealed that he had designed for use at trade shows just an HD monitor is purchased, I wanted to give me no nakedness and told him his little movie (a shooting) with rented a Panasonic HDX-900 rotated, which I wanted to test the short term anyway. Normally I try not HD cameras in a real deployment, but since I of this camera or its predecessor has already seen pictures and had to be good, I take a risk.
The camera was with a Fujinon HA18x7.8 BERMES M48 equipped, but I have seized the chance and certain motifs alternately synonymous with my Canon J15x8 filmed - no visible differences. That means sometimes: Reinhartshausen after my eye seems to broadcast standard HD-ready look to be what I still consider metrologically times can be.
For the Camera: The pictures look like from what I expected. Good contrast and color rendition, sharpness pleasant impression. The Camera does not react sensitively on bright image areas, synonymous never seen these "burnt out" from. Exposure and sharpness are very good on the viewfinder screen very safe setting and assess. The safety board on the battery-powered HD monitor, I would have (in retrospect) not needed.
With the presentation of colors and movements, as expected, there were no problems, the 4:2:2-Farbsampling and the data rate of 100 Mbit / s make a good job. The 2/3-Inch-Chips very little noise and the camera is synonymous with deep blue color no problems. Even at +6 dB, the recordings from acceptable and we must very carefully to find out more noise than 0 dB can be seen. The Verstöpseln with the Avid has now worked so that I then via firewire to a slip the contents of a tape in real time could copy. For a periodic operation is obviously no solution, as would be the additional purchase of a MAZ sense.
Conclusion: An "adult" camera, against their purchase nothing, if you just generally still wishes to remain in Cassettes. I feel in any case, my criticism s.der SonyXDCAM HD PDW-F350 confirmed the apparent differences are truly significant, since both cameras are not priced equally distinguished. Now I only Ikegami Editcam HD in my test suite, I will at the appropriate time to report them.
Matthias
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
Time a question about this Ikegami Editcam HD: I've since read that somehow now the record with 145Mbits. Is that so?
Antwort von Pianist:
Time a question about this Ikegami Editcam HD: I've since read that somehow now the record with 145Mbits. Is that so? Yes, correct. The Ikegami Editcam HD draws an Avid DNxHD codec with 145 Mbit / s. Subsequently, about software updates the data at 220 Mbit / s, but I wonder whether it really is necessary.
Those who are for such a camera will decide in advance, of course check that the resulting viable workflow synonymous with the workflow of other fit, with which it cooperates. So if you are a station as a client, which must look to whether the people there with the files what can and want to start. But s.sich everyone has at least one current Avid somewhere to stand. And whether other NLE editing systems can open the files, would be synonymous yet to be clarified. For me, this would in any event no practical problems bring.
Matthias
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
That is already a lot. 220 Mbits But then it is synonymous exaggerated. I have recently recorded a slow HVX200 already seen and there was no Bewegungsunschärfen yes even though they "only" with 100Mbit records. Ikegami but only such a large pro-Cams ago, right?
Time nor a (personal) question: can we actually times any documentary / broadcast of the television you watch?
Antwort von Pianist:
Ikegami but only such a large pro-Cams ago, right?
Time nor a (personal) question: can we actually times any documentary / broadcast of the television you watch? The first question: Ikegami has always been exclusively produced large cameras and does not deal with small cameras. I welcome that explicitly synonymous.
And the second question: I have been around ten years to almost 100 percent of entities outside the media industry, so to me of extremely rare stuff on TV to see, no more than a few shots reliable, but no complete movies. My products are on special events and will be of my clients and their prospective business partners as a DVD in his hand pressed.
Matthias
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well that sounds so good times, Matthias. What is the cost of the HDX-900?
Antwort von Pianist:
Well that sounds so good times, Matthias. What is the cost of the HDX-900? Well the list price for Camera and lies such as viewfinders for EUR 29,000. The Mietkamera on the existing lens costs about 19,000 euro. But we should be truly a DVCProHD, MAZ to take, the list is at 25,000 EUR. So since I'm already back in the field of Ikegami Editcam HD, where I do not do something.
When I look at the list prices (which are, for example, on-media.de www.bpm to see) right in the head, then are in the last few days has increased considerably, is not it? The Camera of 24,000 to 26.000, the MAZ of 23,000 to 25,000 if I remember correctly. Has someone an explanation for this?
Matthias
Antwort von Valentino:
That is already a lot. 220 Mbits But then it is synonymous exaggerated. I have recently recorded a slow HVX200 already seen and there was no Bewegungsunschärfen yes even though they "only" with 100Mbit records. So I think that's the Ikegami somehow not really a camera for the EB field, because if I s.Ende around 2GB per minute've remains synonymous not much of the 100GB hard drive left. Since I tend to praise the XDCAM HD 35 Mbits with her, with whom I recently completed a small contract was filmed. If the disc is full simply a new pure. A disc is Assi even our times of about 1.5 m and outer Height dropped a few scratches on the cover of the disc had nothing. If something with a HDD times, it happens mostly bad.
With such high data rates such as Ikegami is "faster than realtime advantage" synonymous off soon, because only the transfer of files via USB or Firewire simply takes an eternity, the film projects may not be a problem, but in the field EB deadly.
But other times, why you always ride on the 4:2:2 Rummer, which brings the whole if the customer later I play a DVD with MPEG2 create, because this so only one has 4:2:0 sampling.
I think the Ikegami synonymous class, but then tend to contract work and feature films. That the HDX900 better than XDCAM HD, I can already imagine, but the only MPEG2 is I can not imagine synonymous one should not forget the camera only hold 1 / 2 inch image converter and has no 2 / 3 . With the 2 / 3 inch picture looks quite different transducers show us the SD XDCAM worlds a better picture to deliver (for SD recordings).
But we just wait, it takes place but at the moment the NAB tired and yes it will soon be synonymous with XDCAM HD 50 Mbit and 2 / 3 Inch herraus come.
Greeting
Tino
Antwort von Pianist:
So I think that's the Ikegami somehow not really a camera for the EB field, because if I s.Ende around 2GB per minute've remains synonymous not much of the 100GB hard drive left. Since I tend to praise the XDCAM HD 35 Mbits with her, with whom I recently completed a small contract was filmed. If the disc is full simply a new pure. The Editcam HD is not really synonymous for the EB-field thought, provisionally, it is in Germany no current broadcast in HD. So it comes to industrial and image films, on the HD monitors run. The current-Ikegami Fieldpak has 160 GB, because it goes quite a bit. What I particularly like: Taking the Fieldpak from the Camera and is a pure, one has already the whole mechanics of the camera renewed. And now who knows what future memory technologies in Fieldpaks will be built. Since one has the full flexibility for the future.
The workflow for XDCAM HD is synonymous the only thing on this camera is good. The images in any case are not. Of course there will be better if the 2/3-Inch-Variante with 50 Mbit / s is there, but come until next year to Germany. And then there still remains the unease that there was a laser (due to a rather large slice) deflection must be pretty far, you've got it also with a technical system, which limits s.seinen works and there are no options for the future .
Once again the HDX-900: I never thought that I would time a Panasonic Camera commendable, but I did the short film cut and must really say that the images look very good. And I had some very difficult lighting conditions and very strong contrasts. The Camera has overcome everything fine, and already with me of the unmodified factory settings.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Your stupid prejudices against Panasonic are thus not confirmed. So look at the times HPX500 and HPX2100 (s.13.000 ¬) to. The can be just as hard with the Ikegami-packs to equip. That would clearly be cheaper.
Antwort von Pianist:
Your stupid prejudices against Panasonic are thus not confirmed. So look at the times HPX500 and HPX2100 (s.13.000 ¬) to. The can be just as hard with the Ikegami-packs to equip. That would clearly be cheaper. First times are not "stupid prejudice", but there are many people who DVCPro50 with serious problems. And what the camera heads are concerned, I think, for example s.die F250 back, and this was at a time when others have much better chip cameras built. But Panasonic has obviously learned a lot, because the HDX-900 is really good.
A HPX2100 or HPX500, I will still not up, because I think the P2 workflow is not like it. And then s.einer such P2 Camera an additional hard drive "anzubammeln", that would be synonymous not an acceptable solution, rather a DIY solution.
You übersiehst that I am not the cheapest but the best wishes Camera.
Matthias
Antwort von TommyMeiers:
So around 50,000 euros, as you should have "a lot" get Camera. Also understood the desire, the best camera to have - pays it for you?
Antwort von Pianist:
So around 50,000 euros, as you should have "a lot" get Camera. Also understood the desire, the best camera to have - pays it for you? Quite simple: There are people who go bankrupt if it is the best camera to buy. And then there are people who go bankrupt if they do not.
I belong to the second group, because my Client in their industries are the top films and therefore want to have the stress. Apart from this, has s.den prices in the past 10 to 15 years not much changed, except that we now for the same money an almost five times as big picture gets.
Matthias
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well since you can only congratulate if it works for you, Matthias. Toll!
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) You übersiehst that I am not the cheapest but the best wishes Camera. (...) Ah, the best camera do you want? And the price is irrelevant? Then you had to HDCAM (SR) advised. Oh, but again it's too expensive? Or the wrong workflow? Then the price probably plays a role yet. But for the best quality!
price / performance is probably a criterion for purchase. And Panasonic HD + is equally good as Editcam.
Antwort von TommyMeiers:
Dear PowerMac.
"Best" is a relative term. What the / the / the best is an individual and as subjective as an objective decision.
Someone who wants the best intended to provide the price plays no role is easily durschaubare controversy.
Antwort von Pianist:
Then you had to HDCAM (SR) advised. You know quite well that there is no HDCAM SR camera there. There are only camera heads with certain characteristics, such as the Arri D20 or the future SonyF23 whose signal is with a HDCAM SR VTR recording. So, it was in each case with a dual solution to do this for the mobile operations are not appropriate, but rather planned for staged productions.
The Editcam HD is the way, through their full 1920 grid denser s.HDCAM SR off than other HD format. When times of the data aside, with the 145 Mbit / s is significantly lower than the maximum of 440 Mbps or even 880 Mbit / s in HDCAM SR. But I do not need 440 Mbit / s and synonymous no 880 Mbit / s.
You tend to sometimes a little nervous.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
(SR) was given in brackets. That I know everything. You have to be synonymous not long answer. Synonymous because I know that thou knowest decision. I want you just to show how arbitrary your definition of "the best camera is. And the best understanding of Camera synonymous implies the price. Panasonic HD + is really good. The workflow with P2 is almost the same as with Editcam. I understand your aversion against Panasonic not. P2 cards are expensive for me, but nobody buys synonymous. For everything else, there are hard disks.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Many people who DVCPro50 with serious problems (...) I still do not know, so that it had problems.
Antwort von Pianist:
P2 cards are expensive for me, but nobody buys synonymous. For everything else, there are hard disks. Why should you have a P2 Camera buy, if you then do not buy P2 cards? This statement I do not understand. Then the main purpose of the camera so misguided. And what would your solution with hard look? And now I do not come with a Firestone gates, one on top of the camera or behind the raufschraubt Battery in a Portabrace-Shouldercase reinsteckt. Such solutions shaky guess I did not.
In my view it must be possible to maintain a certain amount s.Minuten native to the storage medium to get. Example: I am a week and rotate every day a 30-Betacassette. So seven times 36 minutes or 250 minutes. I have two or three Editcam-Fieldpaks this is the criterion. Then I'm ready synonymous, each evening in the hotel room to make a backup copy, without the Fieldpaks then delete it. They are then deleted when you return after a second hard copy made. Thus, at any time, the double security on two independent media.
When a P2 solution but I would be forced to copy each day, and then immediately s.nächsten day on the same card weiterzudrehen. So I have not the same flexibility as with the Fieldpaks, because I certainly do not have two or three sentences P2 cards would buy.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
I still do not know, so that it had problems. What do you want us to say? The fact that you do not know enough people? :-)
Matthias
Antwort von r.p. television:
I must agree that the hard disk recorder angebastelten no reliable solution.
Have already tested two devices of dropouts and had to completely refused and returned Takes Sound s.Fehlern everything.
The s.allen Firewire cameras are no stable signal in live operation. This is because because the camcorder's internal storage media are given priority. On top of all takes the signal is so unstable and is then combined with initial dropouts synonymous for a asyncronen sound.
Therefore, synonymous better than the hard-Fire doors not botch of Focus for optimal results.
Therefore, any P2 card camcorder for truly professional field unusable. Except one buys for a good turning 20 P2 cards, but for that price I'll buy a proper camera.
