Frage von [Stephan]:
Good morning!
Yesterday I had to help with purchasing asked. Here, it was the Canon HV20.
After a little entertainment with my wife raises the question: Is there a camcorder for 1000 euro?
What is it with the Panasonic NV-GS320 as an alternative to HDV HV20?
We will review the camcorder out and re-recorded especially for our little daughter of benefits.
Is the picture ok? Will I be synonymous in my Panasonic HD plasma have a good picture or I will be crying in front of the goggle-box sit?
Basically I prefer to buy expensive and relatively future-proof, but my wife, I can already understand that 1000 euro for such a thing for our rights is already quite a lot!
So, buy or Pansasonic but the HV20 to invest?
Thank you for your comments!
Antwort von scream:
NV-GS320 tuts synonymous.
In addition, there are still the Canon HV10. Cheaper than HV20 and HDV also.
Antwort von [Stephan]:
Well, if I go on the HV10 are synonymous again about 250 euros more compared to the Panasonic and then I would jump synonymous to the HV20 in Purchase take.
Is there anything that speaks against the Panasonic? How is the picture quality on the HD-TV?
It is really difficult to decide. Here in the forum have ever read, that a purchase is always a compromise decision is! The statement, I can confirm, especially wennman has no idea, -)
Antwort von JMitch:
maybe times in the m-market the GS320 s.einem lcd test.
if one of the video no matter ahnung has
are 1000, - a lot .... especially because the film
The smallest effort is, who does not lust after the multiple
s.zeit in postprocessing to invest then videos
lying, the vermutl. only max. even be viewed.
and someday, the only equipment in the cabinet.
gruß cj
Antwort von steno:
There's stuff.
Only recently have I stood before the same question that was because if I take Panasonic again, this time, the NV-GS320, or equal to a Canon HV20 buy. Like you, in consultation with the wife.
When both your camcorder to the living room table and stood almost 1400 euros on the joint account were missing, it came to the first confusion, but withdrawn.
Although I know your past history as a "cameraman" is not, but for me it was important after the time change of VHS-C to MiniDV, again a similar experience to progress.
As the owner of a NV-GS 5 (bought in 2003 for 995 euros) but I was surprised how little technical but the leap of the GS 5 to the new GS 320 modest.
Sure, the colors and those little lights synonymous of 16:9 - the picture mode and a more specialized stability.
But ultimately the results were not very much higher than with my old cam.
Anders my impressions with the Canon.
If I am honest, I was initially synonymous disappointed a little more of her since I first shot in cinema mode and with the horrors jerky pans and the pale colors noted.
Only when I am in the "normal" HDV mode switched and after capturing the first images on the monitor compiler saw was the feeling of hope once again. Einfach klasse!
While the handling is something Fummel than the Pana, which are a bit of the record button and the peculiar Zoomwippe, but the result counts and make the eventual pain in her right hand forget.
But I must add that I already synonymous with my first contact with the GS 320 thought into the ergonomics of my older GS5 was slightly better and the switches and levers Chen had been stable.
I would recommend that a similar test. At best, together with your wife.
And I bet times when your differences on the already existing high-voltage plasma see, then the desire to go to the HV20.
And let's face it, about 900 to 1000 Tacke was always necessary for a more attractive equipment.
Antwort von [Stephan]:
Thank you for sharing your personal experience!
Your statements make my decision, unfortunately, rather difficult.
For me there is actually only the HV20, so in theory the thing is clear. If the 'small' difference in price but would not! Certainly, the decision in favor of the Panasonic easier, if not already an HD-goggle-box in our living room would be!
I'm really almost as much, the whole thing yet defer until the prices for HDV devices fall.
But surely you know the men: Sometimes a man must have just what he wants ;-)
Horror!
Antwort von Daigoro:
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But surely you know the men: Sometimes a man must have just what he wants ;-)
Famous last words. ;)
As the enslaved themselves happy man synonymous, I can only advise the holder, dearest, best half of the qualities of the camera to convince (and the x pairs of shoes that you of the price difference could buy runterzurechnen somehow or another a few hundred on it lay and HV20 + bling bling for the better half to buy) before you buy as what they have in years you could be reserved.
This is the case, not a technical decision.
Antwort von [Stephan]:
This is the case, not a technical decision. Because what do you say ...
It artet in a discussion about the meaning and value. I tend now to the following:
Either true or not!
Do not stand behind the HD before Glotze me to sit and have a bad picture to annoy, which with a 500 euro was Cam.
That gives me the money but then too bad! Dear 500 Tacker and more satisfied with the purchase!
Antwort von and12wo:
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Either true or not!
Do not stand behind the HD before Glotze me to sit and have a bad picture to annoy, which with a 500 euro was Cam.
That gives me the money but then too bad! Dear 500 Tacker and more satisfied with the purchase! I agree with a lot of frustration with my current cheaper (600) Canon to be synonymous with the growth HV 20. And the PAL building already looks at 1024x768 s.einem 15 "he hochskaliert not so great, and certainly on a HDTV (without a scaler HQ)!
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
a test can not hurt, there's plenty of synonymous difference 576i PAL s.HD Television, I had last GS 320 and S 10 SDR connected, S 10 was completely insufficient.
Television plays a big role synonymous, not everyone can be so good picture of the 576i PAL to 720 P / 1080 P inflate. The one stop displays 1080i HDV material quite well, the other 720er material.
An S-video out, however, is sometimes required for a 576 i Camera - for GS 320 will the supplied cable, RCA has the beginning of s.verloren!
In many markets there is a LCD & Plasma Television in the Still Image & Video Department, certain firms are very interested in the customers even see the difference between 576i and 1080i (Sony & Canon), when the shots are well done and the filmmaker is back with Ruckschwenks can be seen as remarkable.
Especially in nature photography, then this is not muddy green meadow as 576i, but many blades of grass are razor sharp to see.
I can only say that if you have a good HDV Picture wilt thou hast seen is very difficult to return to IR. So HV 20 & HC 7 s.einen good panel connected (eg Sony KDL Full HD W 40 "-46" 2000, then the seller has the customer to 70% in the sack.
Who then times his HD material s.Panasonic TH 65 PX 600 Plasma has seen, which is almost certainly with the mouth open ...
The HD technology is now overpriced, but you must observe.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jerzu:
have even the HV 20 s.einem 40 "LCD in TeVi Expert tried, quality was very good, but I have some image synonymous errors / quirks discovered, especially in light movements bewegungsunschärfe (synonymous with the very low flows). The signal as PAL was really bad against it.
Antwort von consulting:
When I had to decide what "3CCD" camcorder should I buy to really impeccable recordings finished, you are likely synonymous will run on television (on "Ruhrgebiet" and "Culture 2010").
Here I had synonymous HDV into consideration.
But many on the web have reported negative experiences regarding DV editing with existing equipment made me a little aback.
With my P4 HT 3GHz-and D-920 dual-core computers and endless amount of disk storage alone would not be done.
Especially do I read a contribution synonymous-s.MAGIX webboard where someone
is not a Canon HV20 Video Of Deluxe gets recognized. But the only s.Rande.
Overall seems particularly HDV and AVCHD is not yet even with the currently common hardware and software platforms in the market harmony. The expenditure for an HDV camcorder can easily be substantial costs for "upgrades" to the house.
After a very thorough think about (and because the audience is not those millionaires will be the last big scream s.der have wall hanging), the choice fell on the
PANASONIC NV-GS320EG S camcorder hard negotiated for 499 euros (as at Mailorder AMAZON I would have the device for even less can view).
Among the Caribbean and Widers I s.einem webboard omitted, and after that I referred to, and priority to its own reference work for friends and video Arges wants to expand (ie, not as user-help-users-revolving door). There I GS320EG already on my impressions and experiences stored:
Who wants to mag
HIER klicken. Schaden kann es ja nicht.
zum Bild
(The GS320EG in Comparison with a
heißgeliebten-TRV510E SONY Digital8 camcorder)
Antwort von scream:
With my P4 HT 3GHz-and D-920 dual-core computers and endless amount of disk storage alone would not be done.
Mhhh, my D 805 and no endless record stores have no problems with HDV.
Especially do I read a contribution synonymous-s.MAGIX webboard where someone is not a Canon HV20 Video Of Deluxe gets recognized. But the only s.Rande.
Then, the coder of Magix better job. Freeware HDVSplit recognize how this camcorder
without any problems.
Overall seems particularly HDV and AVCHD is not yet even with the currently common hardware and software platforms in the market harmony. Perhaps not AVCHD, HDV is.
Antwort von steno:
Advance, the Panasonic NV-GS320 is a great camcorder.
Had my PearVillage of the Handels GmbH, for 449, - plus shipping while but then he went back again.
Only a comparison in which
both cameras were available, revealed the differences and the desires aroused.
I must say, until the moment I was totally averse as HDV or AVCHD swattish. Because of the price.
Computed I still use my old NV-GS 5 to, it was even 3 devices, which to me herumstanden.
Incidentally, an image recording bondage, in all situations functioned perfectly, the handling of her was very ergonomically into any pocket was fitted and equipped with all Pipapo how Mik. / headphone jack and DV - Out.
With a purchase of the NV-GS320, I would have on the (indispensable!) Digital output of these old Cam back.
Even if I repeat myself, I can only say that the visual difference between the two Panas was not as hoped.
What I was inclined, with the GS 5 weiterzufilmen and the camera back as far as to buy something better on the market.
After enlistment, the Canon abruptly changed this calculus.
Wow, I thought, what a bomb-Picture! (in HD of course) And the next synonymous Results, minimized in SD, very impressed and were better than with the Three Hundred Twenty.
The feed via firewire to my 2007 Magix VDL worked immediately, but the editing on the timeline hooked. (Notebook AMD Turion64-X2)
It went quite well but after I use the section to be processed only once had (Enter button) and then again s.den the beginning of the scene went.
However, this seems a problem with Magix VDL to be, because as you hear other programs are running quite well with the higher quality material.
I guess you would have made the effort to synonymous and ordered the HV20, would your decision have been different.
You should have next synonymous with SD capture and HD material on the mini-DV tape can leave. For later halt.
It should also be noted, the HDMI interface allows a quick connection s.ein suitable TV.
How to get seen quickly and without detours to benefit from these high-quality recordings.
When I had to decide what "3CCD" camcorder should I buy to really impeccable recordings finished, you are likely synonymous will run on television (on "Ruhrgebiet" and "Culture 2010").
Here I had synonymous HDV into consideration.
But many on the web have reported negative experiences regarding DV editing with existing equipment made me a little aback.
With my P4 HT 3GHz-and D-920 dual-core computers and endless amount of disk storage alone would not be done.
Especially do I read a contribution synonymous-s.MAGIX webboard where someone is not a Canon HV20 Video Of Deluxe gets recognized. But the only s.Rande.
Overall seems particularly HDV and AVCHD is not yet even with the currently common hardware and software platforms in the market harmony. The expenditure for an HDV camcorder can easily be substantial costs for "upgrades" to the house.
After a very thorough think about (and because the audience is not those millionaires will be the last big scream s.der have wall hanging), the choice fell on the PANASONIC NV-GS320EG S camcorder hard negotiated for 499 euros (as at Mailorder AMAZON I would have the device for even less can view).
Among the Caribbean and Widers I s.einem webboard omitted, and after that I referred to, and priority to its own reference work for friends and video Arges wants to expand (ie, not as user-help-users-revolving door). There I GS320EG already on my impressions and experiences stored:
Who wants to mag HIER klicken . Schaden kann es ja nicht.
zum Bild
(The GS3
Antwort von consulting:
Dear 'shorthand'
This is quite understand.
The eligibility of the submissions, however, that someone only for themselves and synonymous off to his other options and decides requests.
In the presence of other conditions may be close.
All (of course, is "weighty") professional camcorder work here in 4:3 and 16:9. They should be complemented by an especially small and light, and especially not for "professional" looking, so unobtrusive camcorder.
Well, I thought maybe something for the future do so, by I have a HDV camcorder purchase. When an HDV camcorder that I could use one weeks, I could just cut with Premiere Pro (synonymous elsewhere with another program). The Consumer Programs went to the knee. It is synonymous to time.
From my / our target group, but suffice 4:3 and 16:9, bearing in mind that the target audience - namely, "average Joe" and "family Everyman" - with HDTV is still relatively little has s.Hut. For professionals, we know that the current generation devices represent only a transition, so in the not too distant future may be already obsolete. Since then the provisional "final" leap into a new direction. The manufacturer will be pleased, because they then "good" with "better" and the hype can be re-fueling. (Nice for the "poor", then for the little money now can slurp cream ...)
There was here with us, of course, synonymous with colleagues nachzuhören that - listen, listen! - That have defined a long time also with 4:3 / 16:9 to work.
Remained so to examine how images from professional camcorders with images of the Panasonic GS320 in the same contribution tolerated. The audit was very positive. Depending on your professional camcorder, it could only be required once a Colormatching made, namely when the professional side of candy-colored Takes existed. A difference in quality was the last element, especially with the analog "Glotze," not to notice. In the somewhat next disseminate TFTs sometimes do not.
The Canon provides an advantage, which - I believe - has not yet been mentioned: an excellent lens. The GS320 should be alone, therefore, from the Panasonic range to choose, because he has LEICA Lens. Dicomar This is a class for itself.
Antwort von aneubert:
We must not forget that today rotated pictures in ten or twenty years should be really interesting and would be.
I have my NV-GS 280 (better Vormodell, Identical but with Mic port and electr. Lens cap) against a HV-20 exchanged.
On a 72er tube (68 visible), the PAL-Picture of the Pana-Cam yet really good out on our new 40-inch Panasonic plasma makes it absolutely no fun anymore.
The recordings of the AGM-20 are against a real visual pleasure and still be synonymous to a 50/65-Zöller really look good.
The quality is closer s.den top productions on DiscoveryHD (Discovery Atlas, AzWeltstadt etc.) as s.schlechtesten thirds (Style and the City / Jeff Corwin) which has really creepy looks soft and noisy.
The dynamic range of the HV-20 is worlds better than the Pana - clip highlights the softer it is closer than s.einer DSLR s.der old PAL Cam. This hardship has always disturbed me earlier.
In Low-Light (Fluorescent) plays Canon in a totally different league - typical indoor lighting situations, with the NV-GS absolutely undefined and cloudy across are in the HV-20 crystal-clear and vivid.
The Canon lens is much better against, and the stability synonymous again expect a class better (I was already well in Pana) - probably because Leica has only the name of money made - it was against the real in all sow!
Only Canon's default settings are danebengegangen - in the video mode is a massive contrast to the strong - even the weakest setting is very hard but does so by grade.
In contrast Cinegamma mode you need to turn the hardest contrast setting so that it looks fantastic - the two are both weaker too meager.
For me, it's not a question whether SD or HDTV, I can not quite believe that we are not new, but all too world-Family movies in a quality can rotate the broadcast quality of the great lengths to surpass Channel - and for under 1000 ¬ on DV tape.
This relative synonymous Fummel the handling of the Canon, here I found the Panasonic to score many more (Zoomwippe) if one of the missing picture aside time parameters - the fixed basic setting was good.
Ultimately, however, be noted about moments, and to see now and in the next future with the AGM-20 very nice while the 576i on TVs of the future can no longer shine.
By: At the moment I finished synonymous nor HD-DVDs from the material - and the downscaled material also provides much better - the Panasonic-Cam has the PAL standard yet not nearly exploit.
Progressive DVDs in 25p look better again, incidentally - to the best scaling DVD players with Faroudja chip is the result of much closer picture s.HDTV as s.576i ...
The only thing I s.der HV-20 is a really annoying and bad if you focus pumps slowly zooms - it wabert of AF before and periodically back and versaut one's Bokeh because of the background and constantly sharpen blurred between herumwabert - disgusting, but look the same Manual Focus Zoomfahren with absolutely perfect, because even a little Cam Free Sets.
So, folks - if you forward your material to be sure, is an HD-Cam is a fantastic option - never could Heimcineasten the broadcast quality of most TV stations have taken.
Grüße, Andreas
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Overall, seems particularly HDV and AVCHD is not yet even with the currently common hardware and software platforms in the market harmony. (...) For HDV: Total nonsense.
For AVCHD: Correct.
Antwort von AndyZZ:
We must not forget that today rotated pictures in ten or twenty years should be really interesting and would be.
I have my NV-GS 280 (better Vormodell, Identical but with Mic port and electr. Lens cap) against a HV-20 exchanged.
On a 72er tube (68 visible), the PAL-Picture of the Pana-Cam yet really good out on our new 40-inch Panasonic plasma makes it absolutely no fun anymore.
In 20 or 30 years, you have your HDV Picture synonymous only tired smile. The device technology is on the "Today" oriented, not 20 or 30 years into the future. DV was invented, as no man of what HDV or similar knew or suspected. The Picture of the Panasonic in the 40-inch plasma looks bad, is not incidentally but s.der Camera s.dem scaling property of the plasma TV. The devices fit of the Resolutionher not go together.
Antwort von consulting:
...
That the picture on the Panasonic 40-inch plasma looks bad, is not incidentally but s.der Camera s.dem scaling property of the plasma TV. ... Aha, there's an understood.
I said some time ago a top manager of the "brown guild" (with a world leading Group) in the "OFF", that is quite the confidence that he would never of the hyper-power of a camcorder out. Instead camcorder in the Picture of "mickerigen pixel volumes on the inter-chip high polish to leave, he would
prefer a very powerful television invest all the inputs in the best quality hochinterpoliert. Since it was cold then, whether analog VHS, DV, or "something" to restore the 16:9 ... - The TV, the device should work.
Then you could synonymous with a good representation from sources such as DVB-T/-S/-C or analog cable expected. Everything else is nonsense, but that it was cold, because: " We want each of our products sell as many. Since, for each product or the advertising department press their awards. s.Ende Important is what the press, TV and trade out of it. The purely rational critical buyer, there are only rare. "
Antwort von vanvita:
So so ... analog VHS quality at best highly interpolate?
Beyond recording technique was nonsense?
And one more question please:
The top managers of the "brown guild" is not random in Sargbau operate?
Antwort von consulting:
So so ... analog VHS quality at best highly interpolate?
Beyond recording technique was nonsense? ... Where is it?
... Since it was cold then, whether analog VHS, DV, or "something" to restore the 16:9 ... - The TV, the device should work. Then you could synonymous with a good representation from sources such as DVB-T/-S/-C or analog cable expected. ... If you look at something only vorlügen must order it to "criticize"
perhaps you should consult someone ...
Antwort von vanvita:
Well you're good.
You write of "something to restore" and thus create room for interpretation, but in consequence beschwerst you're on the corresponding reactions.
What is the nonsense?
Maybe you're right and I should really be someone who "consult".
Even as a "top manager", synonymous to me then the pear interpolated.
Antwort von consulting:
Well you're good.
You write of "something to restore" and thus create room for interpretation. ... Again accurate shot alongside.
I wrote and quoted:
...
Since it was cold then, whether analog VHS, DV, or "something" to restore the 16:9 ... - The TV, the device should work. You should have read and understand and can not be hair in a soup inside fantasize.
"something" is
in 16:9 and
16:9 initially
not "something".
As a journalist, I formulations as exactly what they mean.
Antwort von aneubert:
In 20 or 30 years, you have your HDV Picture synonymous only tired smile. The device technology is on the "Today" oriented, not 20 or 30 years into the future. DV was invented, as no man of what HDV or similar knew or suspected. The Picture of the Panasonic in the 40-inch plasma looks bad, is not incidentally but s.der Camera s.dem scaling property of the plasma TV. The devices fit of the Resolutionher not go together. Your reasoning is not effective. It is a HV20 Comparison with the GS320, and if we in 20 years, the recordings of the HV20 only belächlen will - as we are given to the PAL-Picture 320er, which I now no longer find beautiful?
The original poster asked about a family-cam and if what he now wants to hold on, he is better served with HDV, while later in any case looks better than DV. The relative difference is still there.
And even when it comes to recycling is now: alone, the dynamic range and the sensitivity of the HV20 is still a major advance over the GS320 as it has in the HDV Resolutionder case.
Indoor scenes, in which fine details like hair in the 320er are completely washed out in HV20 simply much better - I have the direct comparison and sufficient material with two rotated.
The scaler of the Panasonic plasma is at least in the direct comparison between the two cams and Standards does not matter because I have the material to the 1080p TV is always in play - that the deinterlacing and upconversion does not the television but the player and the wonderful.
And it is apparent that not only in comparison to 1080p high aufskaliertes 576i is a great advantage for the HV20 apparent - no, even if I use the material as HDV PAL DVD export it despite scaling much better than the uncontaminated Panasonic PAL Cam.
And: The 320er has less of a chip to PAL Resolutionpasst and therefore before the recording of the crooked Camera must be scaled.
The Canon is synonymous has the horizontal resolution of 1920 to 1440 downscaling, but the vertical lines remain intact.
And a down-scaling to higher resolution levels with integer ratios always succeed better than a crooked with low output and target resolution.
Grüße, Andreas
Antwort von aneubert:
...
That the picture on the Panasonic 40-inch plasma looks bad, is not incidentally but s.der Camera s.dem scaling property of the plasma TV. ...
Aha, there's an understood. Nope, this one has come into the blue - and danebengelangt. The deinterlacing and upconversion to make here is not the TV but the BlueRay player and better than any current Television.
I said some time ago a top manager of the "brown guild" (with a world leading Group) in the "OFF", that is quite the confidence that he would never of the hyper-power of a camcorder out. Instead camcorder in the Picture of "mickerigen pixel volumes on the inter-chip high polish to leave, he would prefer a very powerful television invest all the inputs in the best quality hochinterpoliert. Since it was cold then, whether analog VHS, DV, or "something" to restore the 16:9 ... - The TV, the device should work. Then you could synonymous with a good representation from sources such as DVB-T/-S/-C or analog cable expected. Everything else is nonsense, but that it was cold, because: " We want each of our products sell as many. Since, for each product or the advertising department press their awards. s.Ende Important is what the press, TV and trade out of it. The purely rational critical buyer, there are only rare. " Are interesting theories, which may be better met if all HDV camcorder would be highly interpolated. But since many Manufacturer 1920x1080 pixels and offers a largely Demosaicing picks already dominate the initial assertion of your top managers not so true. So beautiful with the idea of the good upscaling in the TV might be synonymous - the industry wants the price of TVs in the Competition seems rather low, and so we find high-quality deinterlacing + rather upconversion of DVD and BlueRay players BWZ. The PlayStation 3
But if the upconversion synonymous with top-PAL film material and amazingly good scans often brings to light is rather a passable temporary solution as a permanent alternative to high-resolution source material. And that is quite happily, even for amateur filmmakers already relatively affordable!
Grüße, Andreas
