Frage von projektvideo:
Have a Panasonic HDC TM350 and am very worried because apparently there is a difference between the playback quality in the camcorder and the playback quality of individual mts (; avchd) files after copying to the PC.
Please take a look at this image: (, see Appendix)
http://www.projektoffice.org/camtest/TM350-Testbild-LowLux-v2.jpg
It is a screenshot of VLC player, which a mts file; happening. (Avchd video stream). The image looks flat, colorless, the metallic shine of the cross bar of the shelf goes under completely. It is generally darker, more colorless than what the LCD monitor displays the TM350. The LCD monitor of the TM350 (; a small Full HD monitor) shows a brilliant image.
The cross bar from the shelf on the left has a metallic luster and is much brighter than that. Mts after copying to the PC. The yellow pad back on the couch (and beside the window is on the TM350 monitor deep yellow but when playing the SAME MTS file on the PC, the cushion has a gray-yellow that is much less color saturation than when played on the HD monitor, the TM350.
What is the reason?
Theory 1: The TM 350 monitor not only plays the mts file but other files from the extensive file structure (; .. cpi files in CLIPINF - Folder). Ensure that the colors are rich and bright and dark areas are represented, as if to PC alone is going to. mts file.
Problem: No known my HD editing program plays a mix of out from mts and cpi, but only the HD streams (; mts.), And has apparently not in full color information...
Question: Can anyone confirm this suspicion? Who knows more about it? If the. Cpi files necessary to allow the full color information of a. Mts file to play on the PC?
Request is s.Panasonic ... but it takes and I have to make the card free (;) Delete and am not sure if I delete something so irretrievably synonymous, that again is not as prepared as just playing the shots with full color information.
Theory 2: The full color information in. Mts files after copying of TM350 on PC only available if the files with the HD WRITER copies of Camera to PC.
Can that be right?
31.03. Update --- Panasonic responds: When copying of Camera to PC via HDWRITER the file structure changed in order for the functionality of the HD Writers used to make.
This means TM350 created an extensive file system with a
structure A for the reproduction of the images in the camera. And copying with
HD Writer to the PC file system, a
structure generated with
B (; different system than the file system, which means MS Explorer (; paste) of Camera to PC-COPY is copied.
Conclusion: If you want to save both, copy back so the mts files later of the PC to the camera, you have to copy only the structure A with the MS Explorer on PC back up and and then with HD WRITER the same again, same data but different file structure, therefore costs 2x as much memory.
No idea who thus imagines a goat dung.
A single file system - both for reading as synonymous with HDWRITER for playback in the camera would be desirable. Because now you have to save all the files twice (; wants to keep both options open).
Theory 3: The PC monitor is not HD monitor, and therefore shows only half the color information. Unfortunately I do an external HD monitor is not available, so that I can not judge whether this theory is true.
Question: Who has an HD monitor and HD monitor, the s.seinem test again?
Problem would then be synonymous: I make noVideos for people with HD monitors at home. I wil
Antwort von Pyrospotter:
Hiho, what did you do for a monitor? Maybe you can s.den settings of the monitor refine what.
But basically it is with low light in the family SD300 bad anyway. I've just tried it out with the mine. Since I only noticed once again how bad she is in low light. Since nothing is more with bright colors. Only when you give her ne potent light source to support this, it gets better.
The SD 909 is better, but I have tested the synonymous only, not sold.
Antwort von projektvideo:
Since I only noticed once again how bad she is in low light. Since nothing is more with bright colors. Only when you give her ne potent light source to support this, it gets better. The TM350 is one of the best compact cameras in low light area. Any other camera rushes more in low light (I have compared all Slashcam Models and me then (back end of 2010) decided on the TM350.
The problem is not the case, the lack of light!
Why? Because I am with the recording, as it indicates the TM350 monitor, so am happy. The yellow is deep yellow and the cross bar of the shelf has a metallic luster, all the best. Once the mts file but leaves the camera, the brilliance is gone, from deep yellow is faded bright yellow and metallic gray, a fader not shiny metal.
I say, not a single MONITOR THIS WORLD shows me the full Farbinformatiuon, as displayed on the LCD of the TM350-Camera.
Why? Because of the TM350 in a special hardware config ensures that the Maximu from the HD quality taken out and playing. (Theory 4) see posting receipt). This hardware is config in any monitor in the world, so no one will ever see this brilliance, unless I send my audience the complete camera, so that the image see it in full quality, which is of course total nonsense.
I am pissed at Sony and the lost time and lost the money. It is one of the most expensive cameras in its class and it is unable to transport the quality from the camera.
I'm disappointed.
Antwort von dienstag_01:
Although you have four beautiful theories in the simplest but do not you come: the the camera screen just has too much saturation.
This display can not be relied upon in general.
And it should be HD, but expect your views to yourself.
Antwort von projektvideo:
Although you have four beautiful theories in the simplest but do not you come: the the camera screen just has too much saturation.
This is impossible. I see a full yellow pad (with my eyes) and the same tired-and-yellow color of the pillow showing the camera monitor of the TM350. Only after you copy the files on your PC, from a faded yellow-fill gray-yellow - p.5 tested alone PC's, all with latest monitor (but not HD).
The LCD shows the TM350 in my opinion the true color. Each PC monitor (non HD) shows a change in color, that's my impression.
Antwort von dienstag_01:
Each PC monitor (non HD) shows a change in color, that's my impression. If anyone does, I would even begin to think differently.
What is certain is that EVERYONE Monitor Resolutionhat higher than your camera screen.
Antwort von projektvideo:
What is certain is that EVERYONE Monitor Resolutionhat higher than your camera screen. If that's true, I wonder why the LCD of the TM350 the full color information, great contrast and displays everything better than any monitor I've seen s.dem the recordings so far, and they were all top monitors.
Outstanding review:
The TM350 via HDMI s.einen reference monitor (professional editing studio or HD monitor)? Connect and see how the image looks like there.
If still as dull, colorless and darker than the TM350 LCD, then only one can apply, namely Theory 4 (showing the full picture quality of the TM350 alone, no other monitor and it would be almost a Money-Back-ground).
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Even if you categorically rule out the cause: Show still time for the appropriate settings in your camera. After all, the menu can be s.Helligkeit some color and turn performance, affecting not on the recording, but only to the display presentation: This image is then displayed for viewing only fined. The TM350 even has a feature that - make does nothing other than that displayed on the screen the images, "strong, clear and bright" - if enabled. This is deceptive, of course over the actual image quality.
... I see a full yellow pad (with my eyes) ... How do the eyes something is necessarily identical with the like a camera - no preference whether Still image or video, cheap or expensive - something is responsible. may be best known and most striking is this phenomenon in the color rendering (keyword White Balance), which vary at times strong. In this respect one should not rely on a camera must reproduce everything exactly as man sees it.
What in this context would be interesting but: What is your recording look when you look at it on a PC monitor directly on a television?
Antwort von dienstag_01:
The TM350 via HDMI s.einen reference monitor (professional editing studio or HD monitor)? Connect and see how the image looks like there. The idea is good. And then adjust on the spot the display monitor s.den reference monitor, as far as that goes.
Sorum is a shoe out of it.
Antwort von projektvideo:
Although you have four beautiful theories in the simplest but do not you come: the the camera screen just has too much saturation.
This display can not be relied upon in general.
Ok, just test it:
In the playback options of the camera is there a way to adjust the color intensity and brightness of the LCD s.TM350.
If I put down both (color + brightness) for 5 steps, I have roughly the same dull, colorless to dark image, as it is synonymous me s.PC monitor displayed after the file was copied to the PC mts.
Question: what is the true color information? If the captured image appears as colorless and dark as s.TM350 LCD at -5/-5? It would be conceivable that, because many different synonymous PC monitors show the same dull, colorless to dark image, and therefore it must be assumed that the true image with a saturation of -5 (minus 5) and brightness is recorded minus 5th
Last brings certainty to play on a reference monitor (20,000 EUR) must make in an Avid editing studio of a professional cutter. If the image is synonymous so colorless and dark there, as shown on any other monitor so far, has proved that the TM350 an order 5 steps to dark image and a name receives 5 steps color looser image, as the TM350 with LCD default ( + / -0) dazzled. And that would be a meltdown, because all previous recordings, of which it was believed that they are color coded correctly and appear as bright as s.LCD, would be gone, or you would have in post production then the saturation and brightness by 5 to + 5 increase by the same result as the s.LCD TM350 achieve. Whether this increase by 5 levels then brings new drawbacks / compromises in the quality of the image would then be seen.
Antwort von projektvideo:
What in this context would be interesting but: What is your recording look when you look at it on a PC monitor directly on a television? Currently have no TV available (I am the way / on the road) and had no HDMI cable synonymous here.
I have left is the professional cutter. Well I know one, where I am right now, will check the dates and then report to report.
Antwort von projektvideo:
Theory 2:
The full color information in. Mts files after copying of TM350 on PC only available if the files with the HD WRITER copies of Camera to PC.
Can that be right? 31.03. Update --- Panasonic responds: When copying of Camera to PC via HDWRITER the file structure changed in order for the functionality of the HD Writers used to make. The files themselves (and their quality) remains untouched.
This means TM350 created an extensive file system with a
structure A for the reproduction of the images in the camera. And when copying to the PC with
HD WRITER B is a file system
structure is created with (different system than the file system, which Explorer (COPY-paste) of Camera on PC is copied by MS.
Conclusion: If you want to save both, copy back so the mts files later of the PC to the camera, you have to copy only the structure A with the MS Explorer on PC back up and and then with HD WRITER the same again, same data but different file structure, therefore costs 2x as much memory.
No idea who thus imagines a goat dung.
A single file system - both for reading as synonymous with HDWRITER for playback in the camera would be desirable. Because now you have to save all the files twice (if one is both options open).
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Antwort von dienstag_01:
No idea who thus imagines a goat dung. Maybe this is just bullshit what to do with the shared files on your memory card for longer shots in 2 or 4 GB file on the PC and be reconnected to the original length.
That would be more than usual.
Antwort von projektvideo:
No idea who thus imagines a goat dung.
Maybe this is just bullshit what to do with the shared files on your memory card for longer shots in 2 or 4 GB file on the PC and be reconnected to the original length.
That would be more than usual. TM350 generated. Mts, VPL and MPL CPI files and subdirectories nested with X, without end. Confusing really do not slide off.
And as I said, we will use both options (re-copy + HD WRITER processing necessary to host the rubbish twice. A Kraus!
Have times with a EOS5D filmed, which tackles. Mov and jpg in chronological order in a single directory (I love it !!!!)
It looks like to what photo opportunities are synonymous videos. The squabbling of the TM 350 file system is gather up the troublesome.
Antwort von projektvideo:
Here is my monitor settings:
1) Standard: Gamma 1.0 (screenshot attached)
up 2) gamma of 1.0 to 1.6
Lo and behold, the brightness of the image is s.PC bit like the TM350 LCD. This solves the problem .... that is, the brightness is about the same brightness as indicated on the TM350. The saturation, however, is still just as bad, which means that yellow pad back on the couch (under the window) is still pale, grayish yellow, however it is on the TM350 enough lemon yellow.
One can in the graphics card settings synonymous switch to of TRUE COLOR HIGH COLOR but synonymous here: Not every user does this, and I wish you would not need to switch, instead I deliver my video like that with the default settings of the monitor one any PC user looks exactly as displayed on the monitor TM350. The TM350 Image did indeed look perfect, but just in the same PC, the Studio looks colorless and out to dark.
Synonymous problem: The default values (gamma 1.0)), values are as likely to use millions of other Acer users synonymous if they change nothing s.den standards and who does that?
I would therefore write to all viewers of my videos, please add s.Eurem Monitor GAMMA 1.0 to 1.6? No! Conversely, it must be running, the video must be bright on a standard monitor with gamma 1.0 so + fade, as here with gamma 1.6 / Saturation increase s.PC display monitor. Probably be corrected in post production for the entire film, but there is still a deficit then the TM350, which makes me unhappy.
Goal must therefore be: not I adjust my monitor, but the TM350 adapts so that it creates an image that is displayed of all standard PC's in the correct saturation and brightness.
To date, the -5/-5 is that the of the TM350 copied to the PC Studio works with the default settings of a conventional PC's to 5 levels of colorless and darker than the LCD monitor of TM350 reproduced image.
And that's my opinion unacceptable.
Antwort von dienstag_01:
An EOS 5D can do so synonymous nolängeren shots. Even it could be that canon does not deal with set size limits on different file systems must.
Antwort von projektvideo:
An EOS 5D can do so synonymous nolängeren shots. Even it could be that canon does not deal with set size limits on different file systems must. Eos 5D does. as far as I know, max. 2 or 4 GB at 15 min run time, then breaks off the camera (going off) and you must press RECORD again, so that a new is created. Mov file. So you can max. 15 min s.Stück / without interruption with the film EOS5D.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... My monitor settings ... Default: Gamma 1.0 ... values as they probably use millions of other Acer users synonymous ... I'm not a computer expert, but is usually the standard gamma of a monitor is not in 2.2?
Antwort von dienstag_01:
MAC monitors and PC monitors have different gamma values. What I would now googling (is 2.2, I believe, MAC
EDIT: is PC).
And if the values are shown above the graphics card absolute values, I doubt it.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... MAC monitors and PC monitors have different gamma values ... This is for Macs on the operating system because the current OS 10.6 has the same 2.2 as synonymous usual in Windows. Previously, the Mac's default with 1.8 on the move.
Antwort von dienstag_01:
Regardless you can not adjust the gamma of your own. The gamma value shows the representation of a certain (average) gray level. How to turn your monitor properly adjusted can be found in countless guides on the Internet.
