Frage von PixelPaulchen:
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Antwort von Axel:
As in another recent thread noted: There is only
one DV -
Codec, these flavors in the Pal and NTSC. There are different
file formats, of which Avi is probably the most common, the codec remains the same. The
statement, often read
the stuff as a. Avi output says nothing about the codec used, so do nothing. For all. Avi,. Mov.. Dv DV, etc. can easily be back on the Cam play, provided that it is really IR.
The
only categorical
DV good ... today is no longer valid. Anyone who believes that DV would
not during the post-re-compressed and decompressed, wanders synonymous. Since it
is compressed, it will be changed for each pixel in a clip synonymous recalculated, and although just temporarily - while real-time preview and rendering - in limbo uncompressed state. All s.die If the hardware
requirements are lower.
Antwort von PixelPaulchen:
Thanks for the reply.
But I have a DV sequence of complete images, and as long as I am just hard cut (fig. exactly!) Is nothing reendert. In texts, transitions, effects already - clearly.
For example, Mpeg Recalculations already taken place, if I do not coincidentally, the "full" meeting.
Antwort von Axel:
That's true. I am not one of the HD-fanatics, but you must also be aware that your resolution is very modest with DV. Do you understand that, do not whine later.
Come synonymous to the frame in which your videos präsentierst. At home on the tube Interlace is okay, or elsewhere on the Web already less ....
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude
Thus
- Yes Backup to tape makes sense, incidentally, uses s.dann even as an external removable disk, RAID, or NAS, to secure.
- Mande can HD (V) gutaufDVrunter calculate synonymous and synonymous then gets some better quality than purely recorded in DV.
- Almost any format can be read today with a relatively new (s.P4 class) computers are processed only zb. AVCHD does have some problems.
- In DV camcorders at many of the last 3 + years there.
One can therefore safely be synonymous other cameras ankucken.
The medium of which you, as a target format have / want to operate, is decisive for the decision (and the money what you spend mchtest)
Even the use of place contributes to the decision in, LowLight - Sport - Inside / Outside - etc. ....
If you are a little bit about your general tasks and demands would share ideas with, you could be certain to post Cams experiences.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von PixelPaulchen:
True, it is safe from the use-dependent.
Looking for a successor to an old HI-9-Camera. Recorded videos are private, holiday, celebrations, children, sports - the whole range.
Compatriots will be on a new LCD TV, FULL HD. Ideally of DVD.
By using the leave is the need for interim protection. There is a miniDV been ideal. Who does happen with the NAS system, and Internet access is usually not given.
The trail goes through a post s.PC. The raw material must be "archived" in schnittfähiger form.
Previously planned: DV record tape to hard drive copy, after working as a result of DV tape and save as mpeg burn to DVD.
The HD variant is unclear to me. Despite higher Resolutionhabe I little space (hard drive, memory card) - So is HDV but something like mpeg compression, right? This will be converted into a better quality DV as DV type?
Tests with nachgearbeiteten as mpeg files were in any event, creepy quality to light.
Pixel Paul.
Antwort von Axel:
Compatriots will be on a new LCD TV, FULL HD. Ideally of DVD. Hm
Previously planned: DV record tape to hard drive copy, after working as a result of DV tape and save as mpeg burn to DVD. External hard disks (USB) gibts für'n Hunni per TB. On the fast `s not, because: You may have
several projects with footage, project files (including log-list to re-capture from tape) and Render rüberziehen stuff. If you file separately, the project again on an old 256 MB stick draw, can only be a direct meteorite impact your memories even more dangerous. Back to tape is not worth it.
The HD variant is unclear to me. Despite higher Resolutionhabe I little space (hard drive, memory card) - So is HDV but something like mpeg compression, right? This will be converted into a better quality DV as DV type?
Tests with nachgearbeiteten as mpeg files were in any event, creepy quality to light. HDV uses the same cassettes and consumes the same space as DV (13 GB per hour). It is identical to process, a difference in the workflow you will not notice. The better quality for the DVD is explained by the fact that 1 the optics are better for HD, 2 DVDs as synonymous Mpeg2 codec, so no detour via DV required.
The inferior quality, of which you speak, explained by the fact that no software Mpeg2
SD process really understands. What thou givest codec used as the basis for processing? DV?
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello everybody!
Here:
If the miniDV-tape. Here is a digital transmission to PC via firewire (in real time) is possible. I feel as a disadvantage, because in the transfer of memory cards or hard disks, the transfer is much faster than real time. That is not possible with DV.
What we have here in the consideration for or against DV missing is the recording technique used. At least the MiniDV cameras can record progressive. And in future there will be no more display devices, which Skip can play natively and thus is a quality loss in the display taken down in Purchase.
Here:
As in another recent thread noted: There is only one DV - Codec, these flavors in the Pal and NTSC. is completely wrong. While there are only a standard but a variety of codecs. And that means that while each recorded material compliant codecs of all can play, but is of Kodierqualität codec to codec different because a different mathematical implementation is used.
This here is not synonymous correct:
Anyone who believes that DV would not during the post-re-compressed and decompressed, wanders synonymous. Since it is compressed, it will be changed for each pixel in a clip synonymous recalculated, and although just temporarily - while real-time preview and rendering - in limbo uncompressed state. in any good editing program, only the pictures re-encoded, the synonymous change in that country. All images are not altered when saving unchanged in the packed data.
Looking for a successor to an old HI-9-Camera. Recorded videos are private, holiday, celebrations, children, sports - the whole range. Then I would on the size of the camera a lot, as in private video quick availability is very important. Otherwise, the best moments are simply gone.
Compatriots will be on a new LCD TV, FULL HD. Ideally of DVD. Then most certainly prefer a progressive record! So only P modes (1280
P 25, 720
p 30, 720
p 25, ...)
By using the leave is the need for interim protection. Here I would prefer to SDHC cards, as these are, first, physically small and adequate size for several hours s.Material high quality FullHD you. And handier than MiniDV cassettes are still synonymous. Furthermore, I believe that mechanical drives zBsStrand very vulnerable.
Tests with nachgearbeiteten as mpeg files were in any event, creepy quality to light. This was probably used s.den settings or s.Programm. Otherwise this would be probably a step backwards.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Axel:
Here:
As in another recent thread noted: There is only one DV - Codec, these flavors in the Pal and NTSC.
is completely wrong. While there are only a standard but a variety of codecs. And that means that while each recorded material compliant codecs of all can play, but is of Kodierqualität codec to codec different because a different mathematical implementation is used. Then you have certainly pixels Paul chen ranked ready, in which the
container is the DV material s.schonendsten "coded", because after 13 years existence of the IR should be well known, and the other due to their "computing error" notorious and outdated . I'm certainly Korinthenkacker, but the term "codec" None requires interpretation.
This here is not synonymous correct:
Anyone who believes that DV would not during the post-re-compressed and decompressed, wanders synonymous. Since it is compressed, it will be changed for each pixel in a clip synonymous recalculated, and although just temporarily - while real-time preview and rendering - in limbo uncompressed state.
in any good editing program, only the pictures re-encoded, the synonymous change in that country. All images are not altered when saving unchanged in the packed data. First: That I wrote (red highlighting). Secondly, this is a contradiction to what you previously wrote. If already in an awkward format changed the original data would be the exact copies of the generation with the corresponding deterioration, which when transferred to the calculator and back to DV need not be feared. The largest error source is the tape itself, it was years ago a test in which the Calculator DV Camera and on the back was played. Differences to the first file were calculated after about 10 cycles, visible errors only after 60 generations for the
Picture. When sound came, however, the deviations at earlier. When copying a file in the container, the generation of losses to zero.
The whole Rekomprimierungs-Chose (explained in Stu Masch joke
'DV Rebel) is in practice only repeated export of a strongly compressed codecs, for example, in different programs Postpro (especially color brightness gamma correction) to carry out. Power is only in his NLE a few titles, transitions and a simple color correction to the extent such as a post-white balance and, importantly, it renders only direct changes s.Footage are synonymous for the Consumer codecs are good enough. Conversely, a further processing already modified material (import / export) immediately to the deterioration in DV, unfortunately, as we know, as fast as with HDV.
Compatriots will be on a new LCD TV, FULL HD. Ideally of DVD.
Then most certainly prefer a progressive record! So only P modes (1280 P 25, 720 p 30, 720 p 25, ...) I find that all but synonymous.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello Axel,
Then you have certainly pixels Paul chen ranked ready, in which the container is the DV material s.schonendsten "coded", because after 13 years existence of the IR should be well known, and the other due to their "computing error" notorious and outdated . I'm certainly Korinthenkacker, but the term "codec" None requires interpretation. as far as I know, the container is not in the standard set. The container plays no role but synonymous. Because the content of the DV, which is independent and not affected.
This here is not synonymous correct:
Anyone who believes that DV would not during the post-re-compressed and decompressed, wanders synonymous. Since it is compressed, it will be changed for each pixel in a clip synonymous recalculated, and although just temporarily - while real-time preview and rendering - in limbo uncompressed state.
in any good editing program, only the pictures re-encoded, the synonymous change in that country. All images are not altered when saving unchanged in the packed data.
First: That I wrote (red highlighting). So in a clip I can understand a sequence of consecutive images in time. In my speech I would say about this scene. And in a revised pixel in a scene, just a picture may be affected. If this scene from at least 2 images, all without re unchanged Picture Compression and therefore unchanged in the edited version of the scene to be copied.
Secondly, this is a contradiction to what you previously wrote. If already in an awkward format changed the original data would be the exact copies of the generation with the corresponding deterioration, which when transferred to the calculator and back to DV need not be feared. The largest error source is the tape itself, it was years ago a test in which the Calculator DV Camera and on the back was played. Differences to the first file were calculated after about 10 cycles, visible errors only after 60 generations for the Picture. When sound came, however, the deviations at earlier. When copying a file in the container, the generation of losses to zero. This paragraph, I do not know and therefore do not contradict what you mean.
Compatriots will be on a new LCD TV, FULL HD. Ideally of DVD.
Then most certainly prefer a progressive record! So only P modes (1280 P 25, 720 p 30, 720 p 25, ...)
I find that all but synonymous. Very pleasant.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Axel:
While there are only a standard but a variety of codecs. And that means that while each recorded material compliant codecs of all can play, but is of Kodierqualität codec to codec different because a different mathematical implementation is used. You're right, if further processing steps. What this means pixels Paule, I did not. Differences seem interested professionals. If any coder significantly worse one would know. If we look at the FAQs to MainConcept DV durchliest
(here), one can see that here the synonymous wheel is not reinvented. Avi is unsuspicious, it is of use Avid and Premiere, and is based on Quicktime, which is therefore not synonymous großartig differs.
So in a clip I can understand a sequence of consecutive images in time. In my speech I would say about this scene. And in a revised pixel in a scene, just a picture may be affected. If this scene from at least 2 images, all without re unchanged Picture Compression and therefore unchanged in the edited version of the scene to be copied. That is certainly so. It makes but synonymous for HDV and AVCHD no difference. Pixel Paule says yes of course, that this format is already in tough cuts from the original. A frame that is only in connection with other frames, there may still be processed individually, with no visible catastrophe. You may only edit the visible, and finally render
once. Rule of thumb: One is almost never. Because if you consistently altered DV (makes it lighter or something), it is no longer
synonymous original. Rule of thumb in the below mentioned Dieckmann Tutorial: way away.
Much worse than the post is a Conclusion of this new tutorial
"codec" that is a codec hochkomprimierter in too high detail "collapses", which is why he recommends that, fairly static images to make. Do not do it. He is right, what the background is concerned. But we still want to make films, or, no slideshows. But maybe it helps Paule pixels in the decision to know that HDV and AVC, but synonymous XDCAM-EX - of course - synonymous to pay for their higher resolution.
Antwort von PixelPaulchen:
Axel and Lars,
exactly what I do not understand. If HDV as DV 13 GB / h and I need 8 hours on a card can hold, it means that I see a 104 GB card must provide.
I read it again more thoroughly.
Pixel Paul.
Antwort von Axel:
AVCHD cams have a typical maximum data rate of 17 Mbit / s. On a 16 GB SDHC card (approx. ¬ 40) would be 2 hours 14 minutes FullHD video in best quality fit. This is different than the band tied with HDV. The data can of course hard to save, we randomly
this. 108 ¬ for 1 TB, at 25 Mbit / s DV or HDV would be the 95 hours. Let us assume that you do not allerbilligsten the mini-DV tapes would buy, but, say, ¬ 5 per tape. Then would you pay 475 ¬, and only for the master. Not expected to host bands, although some Geizhälse reuse, however, as the tape is the weakest component in the digital workflow.
The maps on the other hand, can be easily reused. In the best quality fit 140 hours to the above-mentioned hard drive. Now du
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello Pixel Paul chen,
DV or HDV, there is my knowledge, only on cassette and not on memory cards (except, perhaps, with their JVC HDD cameras - but then maybe not quite HDV-compliant but another MPEG2).
Cameras memory cards are mostly used in AVCHD and more rarely in XVID / DIVX in MP4 containers.
Think about you that once again with the DV. Although this is currently s.einfachsten cut, but in a few months ago is no longer a problem AVCHD and then secure the future and space-saving as a DV.
Good night
Lars
Antwort von TheBubble:
Archiving to a single storage media, however, is synonymous with risk, because if it contained data are lost, are now huge amounts s.Aufnahmen away. In Hobbyfilmern (just holidays, birthdays, etc.), with their recordings per year perhaps ten DV tapes (maybe even less? What do you think?) Would fill in, the loss of such a quantity of data (1TB) can easily be the total loss of the recordings many years.
I want nothing zerreden or one or the other technique recommended, but only on those aspects. The importance of one's own movies, you must each decide for themselves.
Antwort von Axel:
Yes, true, three tapes per month do not hurt. So may be synonymous calm yet be DV or HDV. Easier to edit synonymous.
Antwort von PixelPaulchen:
OK, with your information and Wikipedia is for me the following picture:
Actually I have 3 possibilities: DV codec on miniDV, HDV, MPEG-2-compressed on miniDV or on AVCHD hard drive or memory card.
The higher Resolutionvon HD is the latter two alternatives by MPEG-2-Compression bought. This means, in the post. From bands to get away with only the last variant. Here is the MPEG-2-Compression s.stärksten.
The quality that I want to achieve is a good DVD (SD) played on a SD player with 1080p upscaling and a full-HD LCD TV. That's with all the variants to reach. But I have exactly 2 additional requirements:
1. The material needs to be re-cut and nachgearbeitet be, and although with the available and affordable PC programs.
2. I do not like to work on, must be between the raw material store and archive them.
Archiving on hard drive is no problem, the total loss can with normal data protection measures to avoid (you must then hold 2 plates for books). For the archiving hochkomprimierenden the alternatives are an advantage. But it is vital the machinability. And here I have doubts.
If HDV MPEG-2-Compression means, then it could be something like the Main Concept premiere add-on for a solution. This frame-accurate cutting is possible - and the recalculation of the GOP-structures (or, in any case the interface) should be without quality loss theoretically feasible.
But here is still None reported, so the HDV editing and corresponding PC Tools designate.
It therefore remains difficult.
What sin because the cheapest in the HD sector?
Pixel Paul.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... HDV or AVCHD ... ... higher Resolutionvon HD is ... by MPEG-2-Compression bought ... Not quite: Only HDV uses MPEG2, AVCHD, but the more efficient MPEG4.
... Quality, I want to achieve is a good DVD ... ... nachgearbeitet material must be ... I ... must ... ... the raw archive ... These requirements HDV recording with his band probably s.besten. You can indeed look at the Canon HV30 closer look: This is probably currently the most popular distance with HDV - his. Even here in this forum there are lots of contributions to them.
Antwort von Axel:
The quality that I want to achieve is a good DVD (SD) played on a SD player with 1080p upscaling and a full-HD LCD TV. That's with all the variants to reach. Indeed, many videographers have been HD-Cams, often synonymous HD TVs, but not all of them synonymous use an HD
player. It has been proven in everyday life that HDV DV is actually better, that is just made for a normal DVD in a clean and 16:9 in the best quality to burn, the satellite or digital cable signals are not (on the contrary: With a higher data rate works), so in good Upscale of TVs makes a pretty picture.
There are alternatives synonymous to play in HD, for example, of the Cam directly via HDMI, just look at the simplest ones.
If HDV MPEG-2-Compression means, then it could be something like the Main Concept premiere add-on for a solution. This frame-accurate cutting is possible - and the recalculation of the GOP-structures (or, in any case the interface) should be without quality loss theoretically feasible.
But here is still None reported, so the HDV editing and corresponding PC Tools designate. Not that I would be up to date, what all the simple editing programs for small differences, but HDV for example, has already made a Monte Christo beard, a new program, which is not frame accurate editing, that would be a joke. Since you first mentioned, which does not need a "addon". Would questionable whether one would benefit. I am now not loaded with MainConcept, but from the limbo of
history Slashcam beckon me to a couple of skeletons and whisper
Intermediate Codec. That was / is a possibility, HDV and AVCHD synonymous with slow computers to process. Quintuple file sizes, since the compression is partially lifted (no more inter-frame). It is not completely stupid, if the codec is good, compression is weaker because less vulnerable to the aforementioned "Generations", but in the eyes of the average video filmmaker, and synonymous in my opinion, the ausgeschissen. Is simply not necessary anymore. With AVCHD may
have a little different.
To understand: You can use this HD format garnicht "natively" process, they must be decoded, re be
constructed before they are first
played them. The calculator can be a lamer, because the processor would have to make calculations in real time. The modern calculator with all the modern editing program used an extracted synonymous Intermediate,
on the fly, but after playing the real-time effects with preview / render the process back into its original codec is zurückkomprimiert. Model: stock cubes is only gradually to soup just a blink later, it's again a stock cubes (This fits Note: Once complete gradually, then reduce. Repeat this procedure, the matter will be inedible.) For a permanent Intermediate remains Case redundant (you can gradually, as
often as you want, if one believes that it would be tastier. Should we, however, a somewhat modified in the NLE file for another program for further export, it is hardly different than on a weaker or even compressed IC "as" uncompressed).
As an amateur needs you my IC no longer trouble. Simply follow the e-as-simple rule: You have your movie with effects (100 my) and exported. The footage you have of the hard drive erased. Now falls on you, that everything is a bit of color could be. Hey, you're saying, I still export my movie, the lad, I quickly and more times a rotating due to the saturation.
Your film will then immediately
Antwort von PixelPaulchen:
... HDV or AVCHD ... ... higher Resolutionvon HD is ... by MPEG-2-Compression bought ...
Not quite: Only HDV uses MPEG2, AVCHD, but the more efficient MPEG4.
These requirements HDV recording with his band probably s.besten. You can indeed look at the Canon HV30 closer look: This is probably currently the most popular distance with HDV - his. Even here in this forum there are lots of contributions to them. Thanks for the tip, the Canon HV30 is at first sight very interesting. Although slightly more expensive, but if I enable the old Hi-8 digital tape (DV) could (and thus a Canopus converter could save :-)), calculates the return.
Pixel Paul.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello Axel,
the following paragraph of makes you really only unnecessary anxiety:
To understand: You can use this HD format garnicht "natively" process, [...] And this sentence here:
The modern calculator with all the modern editing program used an extracted synonymous Intermediate, on the fly, but after playing the real-time effects with preview / render the process back into its original codec is zurückkomprimiert. is not quite correct. And so is this picture with the stock cubes not.
It is true that modern video editing programs in a format to convert to the real-time effects in a preview. But the outcome is by no zurückkomprimiert again. The original is not changed. The intermediate format is only one (worse) fast copy for the preview. The original is only when so-called "rendering" with the effects and into a new file saved. So all you can possibly synonymous Effects applied again to take back without a negative effect on the final version of an impact.
Why should a software effort to drive a preview and save it again with great effort? If the program was terminated without the Project process, the preview format simply discarded.
Pixel Paul chen: If you do not want to immediately cut, constructed with the technical development of an AND put on a modern format (eg: AVCHD). There will be free editing software, which over time all the requirements for the private or even professional will meet.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Axel:
@ Lars
You have all right with. I wanted to not be afraid to make, with native HDV to work, on the contrary. I wanted to show that synonymous Intermediate Codec without a frame accurate editing is possible. And without the original files to modify. Maybe I did not so much over. But what is true: On the way from the original to the final product must be a few things, otherwise botch out. After many hours Nachbarbeitung it is not very comforting that they at any time with the original back of the front can begin. The status quo of the respective processing step is stored as the description of the extent to which the original material
is to be changed. In the opinion, and only here, is the current state of "real". That's the whole joke of NLEs. It works non-destructively, but the change of the target material. Therefore, the only well-intentioned Council to consider the order in which certain changes are appropriate and as long as possible with the visible original pixels (or whatever that herhält) to work, the quality of the film's sake, without the synonymous the footage would not make sense.
My fundamental mistake is too many aspects in such a contribution to pack so that such misunderstandings arise. For pixel Paul chen was probably largely irrelevant. Peace.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hi Alex,
Take 'easy.
Good night!
Lars
