Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Prices are for Panasonic AG-AG-HMC151E and HPX171E aware of heidi - 2 Aug 2008 12:14:00 The price of the AG-HMC151E (USA: AG-HMC150) price is 4380 euros, the addition of Panasonics AVCCAM series is in AVCHD with a maximum of 24 Mbit / s SD / SDHC card support and at variable bitrates. Furthermore, the HMC151E three 1 / 3 inch 16:9 CCDs (Panasonic praises the model with its 1.7 n.Gewicht than the lightest 1 / 3 inch camcorder on the market), a 28mm Leica lens, a 3.5 LCD, XLR, HDMI, optical image stabilization, Focus Assist with histogram, Connections for remote control of focus and Start / Stop, a pre-record function (synonymous with their help will have pictures taken just before the recording by Knopfdruch staret) and supports the 720/1080 various interlaced and progressive modes with different frame rates (1080/60i, 1080/50i, 1080/30p, 1080/25p, 1080/24p native, 720/60p, 720/50p, 720/30p, 720/25p, and 720/24p). As the publication date is September target.
The AG-HPX171E (in the U.S. AG-HPX171 baptized) will cost 5520 euros, it is unlike the HMC151 on P2 cards to the other, it has HD-SDI, three 1 / 3 inch 16:9 CCD, 13x Leica Dicomar 28mm Wide Angle Lens, two P2 slots, Focus Assist with histogram, CineGamma mode, FireWire, USB 2.0, composite and component outputs, XLR - audio with 48V phantom power and a manual addition, sound level, it has the possibility of the frame rate in 20 -- Schrittenvariabel set for Overcrank / Undercrank shots.
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Antwort von Manuell:
which I still could not find the answer, how many slots for SD / SDHC cards, the HMC151 is. Apparently only one? Or maybe 2 as in the HPX171 P2 slots?
That would have been great with 2 32 gig SDHC cards that could be in the best quality record 5 hours s.Stück.
I am very excited about the camera, they should probably S.2. October appear.
mfg
Manuel
Antwort von wolfgang:
If the device has two slots, so gehts presumably indefinitely ...
... AVC with me-I would prefer.
Antwort von domain:
... AVC with me-I would prefer.
Is something about the requirements of AVC-I regarding hardware and software known?
In my opinion, would have this format is again more requirements than the conventional GOP AVCHD make.
Are there any links to the Internet, I can not find anything so far.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
.. what do you mean with
requirements?
Antwort von domain:
In short, whether the real-time capabilities in the timeline better or worse, whether more or less parallel tracks without Vorschaurendern represented.
Antwort von Axel:
The point is a really interesting camcorder with AVCHD recording. Previously there was non-existent. The processing takes place with it. Panasonic has understood.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
But this is already here but 1000-fold has been discussed.
this is a question of your software and the load. Basically you can figure out how your computer performance with 80 MHz per Picture must look ... and then 25 or 50 times per second. That is the real-time capability.
Nor must you .. synonymous everything already mentioned, not with MPEG2 AVC compare, because there is only one reference image "is pushed, then processed and then deleted from the memory ... at the AVC is up to 15 images, the synonymous over long periods of references can be kept . The other requirements are s.die issue and load more cash management requirements s.das. So you can not say, AVC-I is a great alternative way to deal with it ... the fact that an advanced toolset usable, although further requirements represents, but synonymous advanced qualities ...
Long speech ... the "linear thinking" of MPEG-2 are over.
Thus the "I" is not the same as before.
Class 50 and Class 100 are primarily commercial applications synonymous reserved .... it has with the appropriate hardware and software synonymous from the first day s.geklappt ... and now for over a year.
Antwort von domain:
So in short, ceteris paribus performs AVC-I neither slower nor faster than GOP AVCHD. Indeed, it is always behautet that AVC-I would perform much better than GOP AVCHD (the data must get to your messages so do not take into account)
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
So in short, ceteris paribus well, just not under the same conditions, because the picture is much better, inasmuch as the phrase is not true really.
That was just so beautifully simple in MPEG2 ... reduced everything to the simplest way and it is correspondingly faster.
Here are additional options added to the other profiles and levels to improve the next picture ... This is not faster.
That is the secret of a scaling. Those who are employed with AVC should be with the understanding of the scaling begin. this is sometimes the "half". If you then, nor the effect of the different tools has understood, the next quarter. This results in even the last quarter, the understanding of the effects of the calculator and an understanding of the load and the different synonymous performance of different CPU architectures.
Only a man must be ready .... First of all forget to think because you understand MPEG2, AVC now synonymous understood. It's just slightly different ..... but it is better and you can be a lot more to achieve. And, as I said, the biggest error is higher with higher compression coding to be confused. Anyone who still does, has not even a hint of understanding for the new codec.
Antwort von PowerMac:
What does it mean now to German?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ PM
.... that a lot of what one knows from MPEG2 times on board and can throw a very accurate view must, in which profiles in AVC is located. It can identify the tools, with which it is used. In the professional field, to the AVC-I heard are the primary course, the High, High10, High 4:2:2 and High 4:4:4 profiles, so everything was in the FRExt included.
They are synonymous but really fine things, such as 12bit up to 4:4:4, one finally no longer with rounding error YCgCo color, with the corresponding good Keymöglichkeiten, the lossless compression of specific image regions ... and much more.
There are synonymous but the images according to better ... So just to say we let the GoP away and do everything just the simple way, the data on cost, there is no more. AVC-I is not a simplification but very different tools in the profiles. Therefore it must not necessarily be easier to edit ...
You have to be so you imagine that AVC to MPEG-2 from a toolbox with a lot more and especially better tool. The bad one has improved tools and new ones added, which from the 10 years of experience with MPEG2 has been learned.
Now you can of very simple, to very high-profile (11 s.der number) to choose, and each profile has once again up to 10 levels. These combinations can be different tools and resulting in the result of course synonymous a required data rate.
It is s.der actual data as good as nothing to recognize. One can only appreciate what the manufacturer is (except for the MUST) have implemented mag. The careful selection of the right tools makes a large part from a good implementation.
So it is really not so simple as to MPEG2 lag times and therefore such comparisons are synonymous.
Clearly, the difference becomes smaller and smaller upwards, because somewhere at 3 Gbit / s data are the reductions in both MPEG2 as synonymous with AVC disappeared ... (if ever so MPEG2 high definition would be - AVC is up around 1 Gbit) ---- but then I'm 4:4:4 transparent.
But until then, there are a lot of differences .... just 10 years difference.
Antwort von Manuell:
Just wanted to say that the camera has only one slot.
mfg
Manuel
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
@ WoWu
... And with what NLE hardware or can I get my material AVC-I/100 uncompromisingly edit?
What systems (3.0 Avid / Final Cut Pro / Canopus) to process this data or is it natively in the various systems back into the "house" codec (eg Final Cut Pro> ProRes) changed. Will the quality still preserved.
Or is this codec still too young?
The images in 720/50p AVC-I 100 in any case are staggering. Now I finally edit.
Regards, Jürgen F.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Cash Management Very nice ...
I have s.meinem a Münzschacht Computer synonymous. That is how the Rhinelanders says cache in de Täsch.
Antwort von emu:
@ WoWu
... And with what NLE hardware or can I get my material AVC-I/100 uncompromisingly edit?
What systems (3.0 Avid / Final Cut Pro / Canopus) to process this data or is it natively in the various systems back into the "house" codec (eg Final Cut Pro> ProRes) changed. Will the quality still preserved.
Or is this codec still too young?
The images in 720/50p AVC-I 100 in any case are staggering. Now I finally edit.
Regards, Jürgen F. Exactly what I had asked myself synonymous and this is synonymous to me more important than the philosophical view a codec (if I can see how cumbersome the RED with the standard material NLE's still editing it, then I do not know whether I really want to designate as progress - may well be that the medium changes, but the benefit to me right now just do nothing).
Lt. Avid MC 3, the AVC-I (no render) - whatever this means no return.
As is now, however, really in practice effects would be exactly the question that I would predict (the HMC151E is for me no option but anyway - the HPX171E in my eyes is the better choice). To create a transcoding, but you will probably at least as Avid not get round.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Quadruplex
.. yes yes, this is such a problem if you do not understand the context and no professional input can then of course you have to be limited to clerical error and they have been quick to take at face value.
Well, he was a gift to you, you've finally found him synonymous.
@ Juergen
Probably true, the second part of your presumption.
We were very aware of the combination of HW + SW (QuantenIQ) decision and of a separate solution abandoned.
MC3 where the DNxHD36 codec codec takes a goal. Insofar as you're on the better than the Page ProRes 422, because most of the tools used and to rediscover your target format is AVC-I so often do not and if the HMC151 for you anyway not in question, there is the problem but not because the HPX171 is DVCProHD.
Antwort von motiongroup:
QuantenIQ?
QUANTEL stimmts IQ?
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
@ WoWu
"... and your goal is AVC format so I usually do not and if the HMC151 for you anyway not in question, there is the problem but did not because the HPX171 DVCProHD makes ..."
Yeah, I do not quite understand:
The question for me is that SW / HW in the NLE field can now present my AVC-I 50/100 uncompromising edit material.
Since the objective format AVC-I to be - no preference at P2 card or hard - it should surely be edited natively throughout.
The question s.die round was really more about the experience with this codec in the post.
Processed because your QuantelIQ the ACVC-I codec?
Maybe a little off-topic, but since the topic was raised here.
Regards, Jürgen F.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Motion group
Jau, correct ... Do not let this Quadroplex hear of such in Wiki again immediately after clever sayings ...
@ Juergen
We work in-I, (SW3.7 V4) but have a variety of delivery formats, depending on what the broadcasters need. The quality is always only as "bad" as the queried format, but it is us ultimately synonymous no preference.
The Basisfile but MXF and is in AVC-I format.
Only there is just for I have little than to surrender format ...
The answer to your question, then, what HW and SW AVC-I is processed in order to answer, I hope.
Systems in the consumer area there is likely a few months in coming, but I is now synonymous no distinct consumer format.
Alas, with the camera I had, incidentally confused ... that was emu, which has posted. -.... Sorry ...
... Also tschuldigung s.Heidi that we are going ot so.
Antwort von motiongroup:
hallo wowu, you may not always be the users only specialist without Chinese background s.Infos send ..
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/video_fdd.shtml
It is like here in the forum synonymous not need the ability of the department from the high broadcast division as a possible scenario presented because most users never be able to be with such systems to work and not in the synonymous in 5-10 years.
It's like in Formula I is as always as a technology carrier is presented and the users are normal with the innovation of the formula I with a maximum of the slimmed-down version in the series provides.
We should remain s.Boden especially the costs and benefits account for Normalos us in mind.
No question it's a very interesting field that offers particularly when such systems are not only in the prospectus, but definitely at work looks. It is in the nature as well as in the high Compositingtools .... Never can a AE CS3 or Combustion4 with a Linuxbasierendem INFERNO let alone compare it to a private environment to buy ..
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
@ motion group
Why, I always find it inspiring when synonymous professionals can exchange here.
AVCHD and AVC-I at the moment are two different departments but ... who tells us how it looks in five years.
Five years ago would have believed None 1GB memory for ¬ 0.10 to get.
An AVID MC was 1993 (ie before 15 years) in the base version for 120.000.-DM could have and the only off-line editing. And today?
It was synonymous only as an exchange on the still relatively new AVC-I codec in the post and as a target format developed.
Perfecting it in this forum not only questions about full-HD camcorder for 250, - ¬ asked.
Regards, Jürgen F.
Antwort von motiongroup:
Hello Jürgen F.
For God's sake, because you have me so totally misunderstood ...
no question that we Normalos once synonymous gladly beyond the look and with the WOW factor go to bed wen we see with what money is everything to create. And clearly, the Normalos of professionals you again and again amazed when you read what the professionals opportunities to share their knowledge available to the Normalos available.
The performance and the price of the former MC for your rights is OK but is legitimate for the professional use of it and yet even today, in the period in which the MC in the price in the direction of developing CS3 is the rather small proportion. Same scenario, you could be synonymous to a Hennry turn the now no man would do more.
I am terribly on proprietary systems with the touch of the exotic radiate .. S.dem whole problem is the example of such contributions which are at the moment relating to AVC format usually turn for the seekers and this is usually a newcomer to the Normaloserie in new technologies like it at the moment is the form of AVC Cams MUST HAVE factor creeps without knowing what they are doing s.zusätzlichen expenses for the purchase of the appropriate accessories.
The statement will already be and will soon be the standard in DV editing Sorglosproduktpallete pulls in this case did not ..
Otherwise I'm with you and fully and completely synonymous and hat s.vor WOWUs information collection relating to AVC mood and what's coming there ...
Five years ago would have believed None 1GB memory for ¬ 0.10 to get. ?
Antwort von Axel:
I am terribly on proprietary systems with the touch of the exotic radiate .. S.dem whole problem is the example of such contributions which are at the moment relating to AVC format usually turn for the seekers and this is usually a newcomer to the Normaloserie in new technologies like it at the moment is the form of AVC Cams MUST HAVE factor creeps without knowing what they are doing s.zusätzlichen expenses for the purchase of the appropriate accessories. Therefore, it is everywhere noted that AVCHD
currently no Carefree format. It is synonymous not unreasonable to hope that a development for a particular buyer group prevails, in the theoretical advantages of AVCHD over HDV is not an option as long as the existing range s.Camcordern the highest possible quality ausreizt not rudimentary.
The statement will already be and will soon be the standard in DV editing Sorglosproduktpallete pulls in this case did not ... There will be more than one way, and even if this avenues of Panasonic should remain proprietary, it is nevertheless of Page of the software are supported, if not suddenly become a standard prevails:
Otherwise I'm with you and fully and completely synonymous and hat s.vor WOWUs information collection relating to AVC mood and what's coming there ... ... given the only partially realized potential of the codec, which always refers WoWu, not at all would be good. I hope the success of this camcorder, so the competition finally responded. Wolfgang must indeed feel like a prophet in the desert, None of his posts reads (let alone understand), but you can buy such a bad Minicam with Lens and nicely calculated resolution, which until now has become synonymous with AVCHD were.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Motion group
I see your argument and am entitled to the topic synonymous AVC-I only received because Jürgen've explicitly asked. Otherwise you'll get my answers only on rare and HW / SW, or read, the only concern commercial applications.
But like so with the formula I, as many developments are synonymous and therefore that is why I think, is the information from such a corner of a usable, when the corner from the marketing and the complexity to take next. Sure, my info is not always and for everyone to understand ... quite unlike those of marketing ... This says Marketing: Full HD and gaukelt something, of which I just say: not true ... and? ... true, of course not.
Camcoder are now even complex shapes from a variety of constituents, which all together have to play .. then just come with some more editing programs and a few just synonymous nor surrender formats and compatibilities.
I think that any information from my thread to read out, which are relevant to him. For some, maybe nothing at all ... and I'm not angry about my answers if they just skip it.
Jürgen but I must agree ... I know synonymous nor the time when the first AVID a quarter of a million DM has cost nothing and could ... schau'Dir today NLE's.
In perhaps not such a long time, the consumer, perhaps with raw material bypass .. or even profiles with AVC, which he now does not even know. Therefore, it is certainly not uninteresting to know at what point the "flagpole" is because today really is. To do this you need to know where it stops (yet).
The marketing departments and the extended Werbearm in the publications will be sent to you always say: "here is the end ... there is nothing better ... so kindly buy .."
@ Axel
I'm not really me as the prophet in the desert, because all of a purchase for himself shall necessarily take the right decision.
My goal is already achieved if it slightly more knowledge and influence can not only completely overwhelmed sellers of advertising slogans vorbeten can be.
One thing I know from experience ... that the images are much better (can) and certainly interested in the normal consumption is not (yet) whether the new color in FRExt (toolset in AVC) less rounding error or not .... not yet. For now make Verbarucher on their successful NLE's color, which a few years ago was reserved for the professionals. Soon it will be synonymous to the differences seen. Therefore, it should not hurt to know about it.
Before quite exactly a year ago, I am here in the forum appeared because madcap AVCHD has been written about and have said in probably a year, we mainly discuss about this topic. Maybe I have a couple of months miscalculated .. like everything, but look look what today is on the shelves ...
Perhaps we are talking in another year and color in a further year on image layers and perhaps one years on it parallel to the Picture streamed objects.
Because the flag pole is in MPEG4 AVC with far s.Ende.
