Frage von chris80:
Hello,
I want similar material about a JVC camcorder (analog in) and Digitizer on my PC for editing / archiving transfer. Partially, some recordings directly synonymous with the miniDV camcorder to 1:1 and are now on the PC. Here are some questions:
- Should DV-AVI Type 1 or Type 2 use? How does the choice of editing and archiving from?
- When and which type of DV is defined: When recording in JVC camcorder and the camcorder by the digitizing? Or by transferring to the PC via Firewire port?
- There are several DV codecs, such as Microsoft DV AVI Standard and the Main Concept. How do I find out with my JVC camcorder which works? What should I on my DV editing PC?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Chris
Antwort von vaio:
Hi Chris!
- In general, type1, type2 given to a max. Size of 2 GB is limited.
- Leg over on the PC (the program).
- Has the Cam with nothing to do, but is only available for the PC for processing of meaning.
See: http://www.mainconcept.com/site/prosumer-products-4/dvcpro-2550-dv-codec-525/faqs-907.html?L=1
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
The AVI-Type has - in contrast to the two AVI versions 1 and 2 - nothing with a file size limitation to be done (AVI 1.0 also has the 2 GB file size limit, not AVI 2.0).
AVI Type 2 is different to AVI Type 1 only by the Einflechtung of the audio stream. In Type 2 is an external stream and the majority of available programs and expect to work with AVI 2.0 Type 2nd
Marco
Antwort von chris80:
Hello,
thanks for the replies.
So I understand correctly: The DV Type 1 or 2 is determined by the program, with which I miniDV camcorder of my reading. I have not the question of the DV type care, because the only two types are "different", but None of the "worse". However, evidence of DV type 2 probably more memory?
Could I theoretically synonymous someday material from DV Type 2 DV Type 1 to convert, without any loss?
Thank you,
Chris
Antwort von Marco:
"The DV Type 1 or 2 is determined by the program, with which I miniDV camcorder of my reading.
I have not the question of the DV type care, because the only two types are "different", but None of the two "bad" is. " Both correct.
"However, evidence of DV type 2 probably more memory?" Also correct, but the difference is negligible, because very low.
"Could I theoretically synonymous someday material from DV Type 2 DV Type 1 to convert, without any loss?" Yes, this is possible without a quality change, because it's just a repackaging bedeuetet. Such a transformation will probably not be necessary.
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
"The AVI Type has - in contrast to the two AVI versions 1 and 2 - nothing with a file size limitation to be done (AVI 1.0 also has the 2 GB file size limit, not AVI 2.0)." I think this is not true. The question refers to DV-AVI Type 1, or 2 nd There is in the Microsoft DV AVI type2 is synonymous the 2 GB limit. For of you mentioned "AVI types" there are, I believe, a 1 GB limit.
"So I understand correctly: The DV Type 1 or 2 is determined by the program ..." Yes
"Could I theoretically synonymous someday material from DV Type 2 DV Type 1 to convert, without any loss?" Yes. From Canopus gave it (there is) a tool.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
"I think this is not true." You confuse the AVI version with the AVI Type. These are different things.
Marco
Antwort von chris80:
Hello,
then again thanks for all the answers. For further details could include links to the FAQs here at the Forum include:
AVI GrößeDV Type 1 and 2 The DV type seems to be nothing with the maximum size to do. Size restrictions, there is only the (outdated) AVI version 1, which in turn nothing with DV type 1 has to do:)
Thank you,
Chris
Antwort von vaio:
Exactly.
AVI 1 = 1 GB and 2 = 4 GB (which you have brought into the conversation!)
DV-AVI Type 1 = BS-border and type 2 = 2 GB
I have it in memory.
Antwort von vaio:
MainConcept link to FAQ:
"Q.: What is the difference between DV AVI type 1 and type 2 DV AVI?
A.: DV Type 1 is the original DV AVI format. Here is the audio in the compressed video frames, ie it has no direct access to the audio stream.
DV Type 2 on the other hand, contains an audio stream zusützlichen. It has twice the same audio stream: the audio stream and included in the video frames. It is not necessary that it is included (this can happen when raw data of the timeline directly to type 2 will be exported, in this case, the entrapped Audio "0" and the "real" audio is located in a separate power) . The Type 2 format was developed in order with the VfW (Video for Windows) architecture to be compatible. Programs and older operating systems use the video architecture. For this reason, Type 2 is not larger than 2 GB ... " see: http://www.mainconcept.com/site/prosumer-products-4/dvcpro-2550-dv-codec-525/faqs-907.html?L=1
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von vaio:
Ok. Show Dircet with Type 2 may be synonymous longer.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
This information regarding the general restriction of Type 2 is simply wrong and, unfortunately, lives on the Internet, often copying of unaudited misinformation.
I now work for about 10 years synonymous with DV AVI Type 2 and then in the last few years mainly with VfW variants. I am never in a Filegrößenbeschränkung encountered. My DV-AVIs are usually about 13 GB in size - that is, band length, sometimes synonymous up to 40 GB (at end).
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
I say yes, with DirectShow (VfW has replaced) is synonymous greater. If you really read it so so much synonymous. My mistake. But is synonymous for a long time ago and yes synonymous not interested anymore. For VfW were / are the limitations.
The tool is still:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Canopus_DV_File_Converter
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
No, this limitation does not exist in VfW. That yes, I have outlined above.
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
What BS (with the SP) and what (video -) HW?
Antwort von Marco:
That has nothing to do with the operating system and hardware to do (on a FAT32-based Filegrößenlimitierungen are a completely different matter). It is as I already wrote my first posting. I have now 7 or 8 different operating systems and by constantly changing hardware.
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
Good. Then other times I would like to ask:
"... I now work for about
10 years synonymous with DV AVI Type 2 and then in the last few years mainly with VfW variants ..." How do you react? I think the "VfW variants".
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
You make up
"with Dircet may show longer synonymous Type 2.." But this has not really with DirectShow and VfW to do since 2.0 Type 2 AVIs synonymous with VfW DV codec compressed 40 GB and larger can be. DirectShow and VfW are equally limiting factors such as the Type.
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
"... synonymous with VfW DV codec compressed ..." VfW is not a codec.
My experience with the Windows OS: 3.11 WfW, 95, 98, 98b, ME, XP and Vista.
Restrictions on the size it was at 1 GB, 2 GB, 4 GB. The cause was synonymous Usin the VfW specification to be seen. The hardware used was: Miro DC1, DC20 and DC30 +. Editing software: Premiere 4.0 LE, 4.2, 5.1, 6.5, Edius and Edius Neo 5th Only with DV on XP, I have no limitations noted. But as I said: If only my experience.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
VfW is DirectShow as well as an interface for codecs. This results in the perfectly normal name "VfW codec or DirectShow codec. This means the interface version, which uses a codec, and the interface is no preference on how large the file is geschaufelte it.
"Only with DV on XP, I have no limitations noted." Yes I've already written above. In about 10-years of computer processing, I had outside of file system (FAT) and AVI Version (1.0) has never been with size limitations of DV AVIs to fight.
And Chris is so synonymous have no problems if it is Type 2 AVI 2.0 to NTSF partitions used. You can rotate and turn as much as you want.
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
"... I now work for about
10 years synonymous with DV AVI Type 2 and then in the last few years mainly with VfW variants ...!" Good morning!
Sorry, apparently refers to your experience in those 10 years solely on the "DV Edit". Since you do not work "mostly with VfW variants, but with DirectShow / WDM. Not that I'm fussy, but I think it's important. Incidentally I find such formulations wrong:
"... since 2.0 Type 2 AVIs synonymous with VfW DV codec compressed ...". Because, as you yourself write:
"... and, unfortunately, lives on the Internet, often copying of untested false information ...". And since I once put false information with the same false statements. An API is now not a codec, or vice versa. In "Type 2 AVI 2.0" I would like do not go into. Maybe you bring in a few things confused.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
I feel exactly the way I wrote it. I got this information is not sucked from the finger, there are simple facts. The discussion here will lead to nothing.
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
I think it is synonymous exactly as I wrote it. Your allegations as
"... This information concerning the general restriction of Type 2 is simply wrong and, unfortunately, lives on the Internet, often copying of unaudited misinformation. I now work for about
10 years synonymous with DV AVI Type 2 and then in the last few years most with VfW variants. I'm never going to Filegrößenbeschränkung encountered ... "or "No such limitation exists in VfW not. That is what I have outlined above, yes." I simply can not confirm. Just because you have those times with no file size limits (more) to know you should not say such a thing. If you consider it synonymous XP almost 8 years and you are only "DV editing" speak is synonymous relative to your 10 years ...
A MOST BEAUTIFUL SUNDAY yet.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
How do you know what time I have experienced? I speak of DV editing, just because - and only that - the relevant issue for Chris was / is. What I have outlined, can be easily checked. And I say synonymous only what I personally experienced and have thus verified. Then you will hardly influence.
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
For your time: I have twice demanded systems with which you had worked to make up your statement to be able to understand. Except ...
"That has nothing to do with the operating system and hardware to do (on a FAT32-based Filegrößenlimitierungen are a completely different matter). It is as I already wrote my first posting. I have now 7 or 8 different operating systems and by constantly changing hardware. " and "In about
10-years-DV editing ..." nothing came next. Nevertheless, I believe in principle in the PC field for (almost) everything is possible.
To:
"... because of exactly that - and only that - the relevant issue for Chris was / is ..." Exactly! Why you write?
"The AVI Type has - in contrast to the two AVI versions 1 and 2 - nothing with a file size limitation to be done (AVI 1.0 also has the 2 GB file size limit, not AVI 2.0)." DV-AVI Type 1 / 2 has nothing with the AVI specification 1.0 and 2.0 (or OpenDML) to do.
To:
"And I say synonymous only what I personally experienced and have thus verified. Then you will hardly influence. " Then please check it right before everyone else, I tell me, explain to ignorant. Your assertion regarding VFW is simply not true. Since I have a different opinion and share them here with a look.
"The discussion here will lead to nothing." This I see as synonymous and it is synonymous everything.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von chris80:
Hello,
interesting discussion. I just guided me s.den facts, and because it looks: I have DV AVI files from DV type 2, the 10 GB and larger are on my plate. So it seems that the statement "files from DV Type 2 can not be larger than 2 GB" is simply wrong. This statement is actually synonymous only with the specified source, other sources mention nothing of a 2GB limit.
But again my main questions back, regarding DV Codec: To my knowledge, but is already in compressed miniDV camcorder? Then you have to get out but somehow synonymous, what DV codec (such as Microsoft or MainConcept) is used there?
Thank you,
Chris
Antwort von Marco:
"So it seems that the statement" files from DV Type 2 can not be larger than 2 GB "is simply wrong." She is wrong. I use almost exclusively type 2 and my primary editing system is based on VfW architecture that uses only VfW-compatible codecs. I believe that Type 1 VfW would not work anyway (I can only other DS-based editing systems).
"To my knowledge, but is already in compressed miniDV camcorder?" Yes, correct. Even the camcorder uses to record on the DV tape DV Compression on.
I do not know what it is today, but was used almost any hardware, regardless of manufacturer, to the DV encoding a hardware module name of Sony DVBK-1. Unlike software codes, which then synonymous containers such as AVI or Quicktime used to be there but to my knowledge no metadata is added with which to draw conclusions on the specific codec allow.
What interested you because s.dem codec, the camera used?
Marco
Antwort von vaio:
"So it seems that the statement" files from DV Type 2 can not be larger than 2 GB "is simply wrong." Whether you believe it or not: Under DirectShow to take. Since WDM DV on "access" and turn on WDM Direct Show "constructed" because there is not a 2 GB limit (formerly was at the connect the DV cam in the Windows Device Control synonymous the WDM device "is displayed. In the meantime, the Cam by name - eg. in Vista). With the old VFW is the limit - only now you will probably no longer anfinden.
"But again my main questions back, regarding
DV Codec: To my knowledge, but is already in compressed miniDV camcorder?" It is compressed in the Cam. The Sony module, I know by name still synonymous. More info I do not know. If the material on the HDD is copied is the DV codec entirely unimportant. The change comes only when the video of the bear (color adjust, etc.). I have seen of the Microsoft, Panasonic, Sony, Mainconcept and Canopus known. For quality of the individual is / there were some reports. Because you should, where applicable, once a network.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Marco:
"With the old VFW is the Limit" For me, there and there is the limit with VfW not.
A long time ago was VfW on many systems is often combined with AVI 1.0. There was AVI 1.0 of the limiting factor and this differentiation was sometimes not taken into account, which led to some of "VfW and the 2-GB limit" was spoken, although it is actually about "AVI 1.0 and the 2-GB limit" went. VfW was only with AVI 1.0 associated. But since OpenDML as AVI 2.0 feed stopped, it is no longer an issue, is not synonymous with VfW. And AVI 2.0, there's been more than 10 years.
Marco
Antwort von chris80:
"But again my main questions back, regarding DV Codec: To my knowledge, but is already in compressed miniDV camcorder?"
It is compressed in the Cam. The Sony module, I know by name still synonymous. More info I do not know. If the material on the HDD is copied is the DV codec entirely unimportant. The change comes only when the video of the bear (color adjust, etc.).
...
Thank you for the accurate info. When I miniDV lossless copy to disk, some scenes rausschneide, insert some transitions, a few scenes with effects / titles, equip, and then all will play out as miniDV, then only the changed scenes newly compressed. Plays for hobby users of the editing program used by the DV codec play a role?
Thank you,
CHRIS
Antwort von Marco:
"then only the changed scenes newly compressed." Since most editing programs for DV material smartrendern can be expected to apply, yes.
"Is this for hobby users of the editing program used by the DV codec play a role?" Generally not. But this is a question of your own claim.
As for the rendering of quality as such, it will not play. There are, however, in the way the brightness of the de-and encoding managed by two different codec behavior. Some modify the signal does not (eg Canopus DV or Sony-DV). There are what, to compress the brightness a bit when encoding and decoding when it airs again (such as Microsoft DV) and what their Luminanzverhalten adjustable (eg MainConcept DV). There is also here on Slashcam synonymous informative two base article:
www.slashcam.de / article / Basics / The Canopus-Unterschied.html ---
www.slashcam.de/artikel/Basics/Umrechnungsfehler-bei- DV Codecs.html
I think something should be simple and pragmatic approach to the available DV codec try. If you satisfied with the outcome, so you should leave it at that. Otherwise, fast from a mosquito to an elephant.
Marco
Antwort von chris80:
Hello,
ok thank you, use the DV codec can I use for my purposes then neglect (Hobbyfilmereien with analog camcorders).
But nochmal ne question about the DV type. Probably I will be the capturing of miniDV with a tool like Scenalyzer or AVCutty it. In these tools AFAIK, you can choose whether DV Type 1 or 2 should be used? If I already have a choice: Which type is more likely to recommend synonymous if the differences are small?
And is there any impact if I capture when another type using a DV editing program, with whom I later worked (either Elements or Premiere Magix video)? Or you can import both types, but only one best. Type off?
Thank you,
CHRIS
Antwort von Marco:
You should choose as Type 2, because a higher compatibility is achieved. Type 1 is not accepted of all programs. I suppose that will be on the VfW architecture based Programs. Conversely, however, each program easily with Type 2 things.
Marco
