Frage von westfale:
Hello,
I hope you can help me this camcorder to be classified on the quality LowLight area.
That not everyone can say something with every camera clear. But I hope that comes in many responses, a reasonably coherent picture.
I would be happy to test the cameras themselves or watch the business. But sometimes they are only sold on the Internet, some markets have / have not even on sale, some of them are stupid ....
Since I will not buy any to test it, it would be nice if we could narrow the range somewhat. Especially since it is supposedly for special purchases on customer (? Exists) may not be returned.
Sony: MVX1S, 30i, 35i, 10i, 20i, 25i, 200i, 300i
Sony: HC 96, 42
JVC: DZ7, DF570, D650
I am talking about in the dark at LowLight not film them, but to celebrate where the light is insulated, or just burn candles.
The HC 96 would be my favorite so far, despite a touch screen. This camera is s.teuersten of the above.
Generally, the advice in the markets so far disastrous (..." as 1 / 6''?? But here is 2.4''...) to poor, but a seller would prefer the 30i the HC96, because they would have similar image quality for better handling.
In the current camcorder and movie magazines, was briefly mentioned to my knowledge only the HC96 and has received good reviews here, even in poorer light conditions.
On the Page of videoaktiv I found some test pictures.
There are other pages with pictures in different light?
Unfortunately, the choice was a bit small, but for some clues schonmal it goes:
As a reference, I never imagined the MV960 and the MVX460 I looked at my search s.Anfang favors (budget had been 400 euros, which I have now increased to 600 euros). The MV960 rushes heavily and makes blurry images, and there are worlds between the two cameras.
The MVX460 is where I like (very good but sadly) do not use more Batteries. Only at very low light (30 lux), the picture is worse. The sharpness is still there but the yellow flowers on the Picture to be reddish.
From my list I have only found the JVC D650. Furthermore, I have looked at the HC46, in the hope of seeing a similar quality as in the HC 42nd
The JVC is bad in Comparison to MVX460. The images are blurred and the White Balance to 150 lux is bad (Picture is yellow). At 30 lux, the picture is indeed bright and the flowers really synonymous yellow, but it is still blurred.
The images of the HC46 I think s.Besten of the 4 cameras. The colors are more saturated and the images similar sharp. At 150 lux, the picture a little brighter, and at 30 lux is the flowers are displayed in the correct colors.
On camcorderinfo're synonymous fairly detailed article:
Unfortunately, I do not know how the Canon models are known in America. Since I've only read that the Elura 100, the MVX460 and the ZR700, the MV960.
The MVX460 of which I would like the picture quality has a value of 4.75. The MV960 has the same value.
2 cameras in my list I've found. Then I found another 2 cameras, which are, according to model designation predecessor or successor.
The HC46 of the pictures which I took very good, has a value of 2.75. The HC42, which I have on my list, has a value of 2
The HC96, the most expensive camera, is 6.75.
From JVC, I have only found the DF550 and hope that it is as good as the DF570. The DF550 has a value of 4th
Now, of course, the question remains why the Canon both have the same value, although can be seen at videoaktiv significant differences. The values of the HC46 are worse, although I found s.Besten the pictures.
Perhaps time may indeed look at the pictures of the cameras jmd knows?
MV 960:
http://http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/462/57/
MVX460:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/526/57/
D650:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/528/57/
HC46:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/524/57/
Or. you can verify the tests camcorderinfo?
Of course it is not just about LowLight properties. If the sound is terrible as it should be in the DF of JVC is the case, then I'm synonymous
Antwort von oliver II:
Since I will not buy any to test it, it would be nice if we could narrow the range somewhat. Especially since it is supposedly for special purchases on customer (? Exists) may not be returned. If you go into a store and buy something there, you have basically no return or a right of withdrawal from the contract if you have not agreed on a partial payment. Withdrawal limits apply to installment. Everything else is pure kindness of your dealer.
If you are a little over a medium like the Internet, telephone or fax order is synonymous, it is a contract under the Distance Selling Act (sshttp://www.fernabsatz-gesetz.de/bgb/fernabsatzrecht.htm). This means that a right of return can not be excluded, unless the sender is operating commercially!
Since I am not a lawyer, I can not perform legal advice and so I made above statement is synonymous only be regarded as transfer of general knowledge and experience report!
The cameras, however, I can not tell you unfortunately.
Antwort von Axel:
If you go into a store and buy something there, you have basically no return or a right of withdrawal from the contract if you have not agreed on a partial payment. Withdrawal limits apply to installment. Everything else is pure kindness of your dealer. This sometimes granted voluntary
return is usually really a
right to exchange, that is, with few exceptions (eg Aldi), there is no "money back", but a product coupon.
This is often with the
warranty obligation, and this in turn confused with the
warranty. The former is regulated by law, refers to defects in the goods and includes s.Rückgabe receive full reimbursement of up to 14 days after receipt of goods, b) repair or compensation within two years after receiving the goods.
The guarantee,
however, is a quote from the dealer, or can be freely negotiated with the latter. If they repair inside of providing for two years (which would be covered in case of a defect even by the warranty) if necessary, is synonymous normal wear underneath.
I too am not a lawyer. Please consult about yourself or ask a lawyer.
Antwort von Nightfly!:
In low-light videos
at parties, where the light is insulated or only candles I would refrain of the CCD cameras and take more of a CMOS camera.
Although the CMOS cameras are not as good as the CCD cameras when it comes to color, sharpness, etc goes ...
BUT CCD cameras suffer s.Smear-effect and destroy my view, therefore, to low-light photography with candles or other lights-off.
Gruß,
Nightfly!
Antwort von WeiZen:
I do not know what is needed romps on eBay so, but if
LowLight ko is the criterion, then the reference to the queens of the night was allowed to synonymous when it exceeds your financial framework:
VX-2000 or its successor VX-2100.
As someone once said: He who saves buying twice.
Antwort von Jan:
So much for the magazines, the example I have every day (AF and shutter lag time) DigiCam's, 4 different magazines are always there, who write of 0.2 sec to 1 sec and all the same to the camera, so you can every customer loosely confused - I always say, they stop testing himself with several focal lengths and AF / try out.
The HC 94 / 96 and GS 280 / 300 are to me the Lowlightstärksten in the class, but with the GS 280 Picture VAD was better at another site was loud noisy HC Slashcam User Picture 94 less, so much to test.
Yes would be synonymous if bad was a seller of 2004 erschiende MVX 200 i would have there, more than the previous model (MVX 300i) should still be vorätig that is the Internet sales of cameras 2002/2003 surely if I have the old equipment still there would - I'd already lost my job ...
According to the VAD is to have the front of the class, the new ¬ 600 GR D 650's nose.
But once you look mal ne VAD output s.with the 30 lux pictures that consumer cameras are already the same damn well (HC 23 & GS 27 & D 345), it is only rarely that a camera does a much better impression (GR & D 650 MV 900) - I say buy only tested light as in the latest edition of either Hama / Unomat for the price conscious or Mark's favorite Panther Romy 75 with daylight filter .....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Nightfly!:
...- I only buy light as in the latest edition of either tested Hama / Unomat for the price conscious or Mark's favorite Panther Romy 75 with daylight filter .....
But then you can save yourself synonymous candles and the atmosphere is lost.
Antwort von westfale:
Thank you for the "legal advice".
Basically, I am always grateful for suggestions, but the cameras should be located in the price range up to about 600 euros and have an AV in input.
Because of possible damage, lack of warranty, etc. I do not want second-hand camera.
I'm looking hard for the LowLight area, since all appear to be able to make great pictures in good light and fail at something difficult circumstances often.
I do not know when reached by the different cameras, the border is no longer s.welcher the colors "can be represented non-fading" and the picture begins to Noise. It is intended primarily to be synonymous not actually filmed by candlelight. For me it was just about examples of poor lighting situations give. I do not want at every 2nd Celebration, wedding fair to be disappointed or recording at home, because the light has not yet complied with the optimum conditions.
If we turn aside to look at the pictures videoaktiv, already seen a decrease in the quality at 150 lux
Antwort von westfale:
The forerunner of the models do not have to be in the shop is clear. But the other one sees synonymous unfortunately not (always).
The D650 of the JVC will be so great, I can hardly believe it. Look at the pictures but on vad to - so vote for me is something else.
Antwort von westfale:
ok you got me just looked at myself again.
They are not so bad after all.
The White Balance is not that great at 150 lux.
The colors a little more intense, but it synonymous blurred.
Antwort von DjDino (Dominik Toth):
Many images LowLight comparisons are synonymous to http://www.videomax.ru/tests/
Strikingly, I find that I am at the Canon camcorder with RGB primary color filter that (MVX20/25/30/35/40/45) for lowlight practically have almost no loss of sharpness:
LowLight-(Automatik-Modus) Canon -MVX45LowLight-(automatic mode) Sony HC90 The Sonyist bright but somewhat blurred (mekrt one s.besten when the Scriptures as the bottom of the color test chart respects)
Since I myself possess the MVX40 I can confirm that, unfortunately, these models are more prone to LowLoght reunited for double outlines (because of intense noise filter than the Sony) and they are not as bright and dim faster LowLight - although I am too dark but sharp rather than a Brighter Picture is blurry but this (especially with software you can brighten up a dark but slightly LowLight improve is difficult to blur), did well, certainly taste synonymous.JVC sac as with the F-intensity 1.2-GR-DF series ( make GR-DF470/540, us.w.) a good throw, I hate the GR-DF540 with F 1.2-optics testing, yes ok - True ... brighter images than many other camcorders, but not on edge and never on the zb Nivou of Sony's HC or Canon MVX - synonymous to show the tests of http://www.videomax.ru/tests/ The Panas, it is synonymous as they are quicker too blurred.
Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):
Hello,
The MVX460 is where I like (very good but sadly) do not use more Batteries. Only at very low light (30 lux), the picture is worse. The sharpness is still there but the yellow flowers on the Picture to be reddish. The problem seems to be the two-MVX series (20.25 ...) have not, to me are false with the MVX40 not noticed before, synonymous shows the test image of me linked, flowers are still neat yellow.
Antwort von Jan:
With AV in - then it is eh at the current consumers of hard Pana no Sonynur HC and 96th VAD really thought that was already Lowlightbild ne 180th lane better than here, especially the much-acclaimed Konkkurenten GS
Yes that's what I mean for me is the difference Canon RGB - (MVX 40/45i/4i) vs. 300/450/460 greater than the Comparison MVX 300/45/460 vs. MV 9xx.
VG
Jan
Antwort von westfale:
In RGB primary color far I've not paid extra. But this seems to me of all the Canon cameras listed have.
Had on my list just respected on it that the chip is greater than 1 / 6''is.
The AV-in is very important to me because I want to eventually join a helmet camera.
The pictures I have again looked at all. Unfortunately, cameras were used at various different motives.
And like the quality of LowLight HC96 me on the following picture is not so good:
http://www.videozona.ru/video%5Ftests/hc96/hires/hc96-lowlight-auto.jpg
The sharpness of the doll, especially in the face and the hair could be better.
So I am still undecided.
The JVC cameras, I've more or less already written off. The Auto White Balance seems to be worse than the other cameras and I've heard of synonymous sound problems.
Remain so even the Canon: MVX1S, 10i, 20i, 25i, 30i, 35i, 200i, 330i and the SonyHC96.
The 30i and 35i which are very similar. In 20i/25i I guess that this is the same.
Under the assumption that the new models are better and if one is rather large chip, it would therefore be s.Besten the MVX30i. Or it is worthwhile for the video light of MVX35i pay 80 euros more?
And if I have understood correctly, then Canon is a little darker, but sharper than Sony. And that can, if necessary, rework.
The Lanc port on the HC96 irritates me already (because of the helmet camera, as would be useful for a wired remote), but 215/135 euro are too much for me then.
So I would do well in the end with a MVX30i?
Antwort von prem:
Prices shown are in, unfortunately, not be specified or one of unscrupulous shop.
The best offer for MVX30i is apparently at 508 euros and 699 euros in the MVX35i. The HC96 is 615 euros.
Thus, the MVX35i is eliminated. So perhaps the 25i? Or 30i? Or, of course, the HC96.
Antwort von westfale:
But yet ne change:
The MVX30i will cost 580 euros. The MVX25i, however only 440 euros. This filter has a larger diameter (34 instead of 30.5), more ZOOM (12x instead of 10x) and it is bigger and heavier. Jmd know whether what s.der electronics has geöndert?
Antwort von Jan:
No. This is common in digicam's really almost all of an RGB filter, in Videocam's Consumer News zb Sonyerst s.HC 94, Canon s.MVX 40 / 45i / 4i - models such as MVX 2xx, 3xx, 450/460 or MV 7-9xx working with one Komplementärfilter (synonymous with a clear) in the Canon catalog.
There, the colors of the YUV color space (using the Bayer filter) in our RGB color space are transformed (or vice versa - it now makes me very confused), which again will cost Bildqulität, in an RGB color filter to be implemented immediately. YUV was TV, was not RGB computer? At least that is our belief that no preference. 3 CCD cameras must of course not convert anything.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Markus:
I am talking about in the dark at LowLight not film them, but to celebrate where the light is insulated, or just burn candles. I sometimes wonder about such statements: For the distance with most of your camcorder is only a minimal difference between the candle and no light. If at all. Instead, there is often only bright points with smear effect.
Related topic:
A "lit cozy" living room ...
Antwort von westfale:
I sometimes wonder about such statements I'm just a layman and have no experience with camcorders. But it was synonymous not directly (by candle light I had, however, synonymous schonmal written here), but examples of poor lighting conditions. I wanted to spare this thread disappointments with normal to slightly darkened interior lighting.
But ....
We have now opted for the HC96.
The MVX35i not lay out well in hand and therefore much synonymous, the MVX30i. The HC96 has looked better in picture than in the store when the MVX20i and so we opted for the model.
