Frage von cozmo3001:
Good morning together
am for 1 hour in the forum to find posts about the 5d Mark II and Ruckelproblem in your videos ...
maybe you can me on the fast help, because I play with the idea s.Donnerstag me the things to pay:
5 days I had the opportunity to borrow my camera along with 24 / 1.4 and 16-35/2, 8 Lens, but I was in pans and moving objects (cars passing by, people ...) with a bucking surprised .. . had previously thought it would s.PC the Quicktime playback with only 30 fps of 20fps creates ...
Have now tonight a few problems in Premiere videos & AE CS3 and imported as Quicktime PAL Resolutiongerendert:
For videos with 30fps is bucking almost disappeared, but when I rausrendere in 25fps (productions for television) comes back to the bucking ...
What am I doing wrong, as I have in Premiere / AE comps to create?
Where and when should you s.Besten the frame rate change?
Had cool if you could help me ...
Best Regards
Karsten
Antwort von Zizi:
Where and when should you s.Besten the frame rate change?
Ideally garnicht!
Jerkiness does the 5D Nativ little / not at times when the 24p material of other sees Cams!
So I render with the Adobe Media encoder 25p out in strange and unlikely because differences!
Clearly the motion / pans are a bit different .. But does anyone notice .. at least the Jerkiness not as bad as you express it here?
For videos with 30fps is bucking almost disappeared, but when I rausrendere in 25fps (productions for television) comes back to the bucking ... logo? what do you mean bucking?
I think 25p jerky .. that's clear?
Since it is quite different with films such as 50i ..
I am of the recordings in any case excited .. Comparison with a no XH A1 .. and to worlds better than a Nikon D90!
If you are with the disabilities can live in video light and synonymous Strong words to use optics at 2.8 horizontal to then!
Hab synonymous few lines in my blog about writing ..
maybe you are interested ...
http://www.zizis-blog.com/TestCanon5D.html
Antwort von cozmo3001:
Tomorrow Zizi,
thanks for the quick response at night!
Only briefly in understanding:
The Canon is in 1080p with 30 frames per second, if I but for TV (additional editing on Final Cut Pro uncompressed SD 625), I would like to spend but ultimately the 30fps to 25fps throttle, or do I have as a fundamental error of thought?
For AE, I have a frame rate converter of VideoCoPilot.net ...
However, the synonymous bringts not ...
The shakes we all noticed (several prof. Cameramen and editors for TV, which so far only with Digi-beta-turn), with its own recordings and in 90% of all online videos (such as Vimeo) ...
For stills it's no problem, super quality ... no question, therefore, the interest s.dem big thing, but when panning and moving objects kommts to GAU ...
Here is a link to a short 8 sec snippets quickly from AE in 600x338 in H264 rausgerendert (2.8 MB). The noise comes of H264, but one sees very clearly the bucking of the passing cars:
http://www.solidground-studios.com/canon_5d/canon_5d.zip
What can that be?
Best Regards
Karsten
Antwort von Zizi:
Yes it looks really after 30p-> 25p conversion from ;-(
that you have with the AE frame rate converter made?
The converts to normal very well ..
To the times I had a 30p NTSC XH A1 25p changed without
such striking ruckler!
However, there were no moving cars. . the problem very clear ..
I think if you have already tried the AE's have probably no better solution?
If so, maybe others who can help?
I would be interested synonymous brennent .. yet I am with the topic not addressed because I have never been synonymous with the 5D had to be broadcast. (unfortunately)
But Galileo (pro7), ARTE and several other broadcasters have already set already. So there should be a better solution?
However, the cooking so synonymous only with water .. ie FC Pro / Avid ..
This video I've synonymous with 25p
http://vimeo.com/3925257 convert ..
But such recordings noticed mans not so accurate.
I hope alerdings still on a company product update from the Canon finally release these things are obviously no problem would be!
Antwort von cozmo3001:
Hi Zizi,
Yeah, I had the rausgerendert from AE, but there is synonymous my question from the beginning:
If I had 30p footage, s.wann and where should I change the frame rate conversion are? AE yes there are several options:
1. Project Folder - Interpret Footage
2. Comp at 25fps or 30fps at first approved?
3. Frame Effect RateWarp than use?
4. Renerliste Render Settings "Framerate to use the composition" or "This frame rate" is
5. Video Output - Format Options - frames per second (at the respective compressor set)
Last:
Do you know a good Schmöcker (that good old paper-based works), which oversees such matters tech video information?
Gladly synonymous what that had this beautiful new HD-format discussion (advantages / disadvantages of HD <-> Full HD | Codecs | interlaced <-> Progressive, etc, etc, etc. ..
I read such things I prefer s.Balkon in bed or away from the PC through ...
Best Regards
Karsten
Antwort von handiro:
something to bucking: I have a HVX 200, the 720 makes 25 and p 720 P50.
At 720 Jerkiness P25 pans ALWAYS something, but at 720 p 50 is all buttery soft.
For me, this is quite normal .... 25p jerky stop ... or what I see as wrong?
Antwort von Zizi:
1. Project Folder - Interpret Footage
2. Comp at 25fps or 30fps at first approved?
3. Frame Effect RateWarp than use?
4. Renerliste Render Settings "Framerate to use the composition" or "This frame rate" is
5. Video Output - Format Options - frames per second (at the respective compressor set)
Boah I know on the quick no longer ..
AE Now I've got on my Mac is not installed, I look dan later times s.PC. maybe can give you a yes then better to help you.
As I said, I am not a convert with the specialist.
Do you know a good Schmöcker (that good old paper-based works), which oversees such matters tech video information?
I go today, eh, for the most booksellers in Austria to give me some on 35mm film to buy, I look what it is because there .. otherwise I have nothing concrete one.
For me, this is quite normal .... 25p jerky or stop what I see as wrong? not really .. But to me the shakes when the cars differently than in purely recorded 25p!
acts as if they were always easy to brake and accelerate with 25p just jerky.
@ cozmo: hats you ever with a comparatively a mere 25p Camera probiert?
I think the 30p is synonymous Jerkiness less clear because 5fps more, the costs quite a bit.
Here a synonymous Comparison with what I once did a HF10 NTSC:
Once with 30p mode:
http://vimeo.com/1486967?pg=embed&sec=
and even the same with 24p mode (not converted)
http://vimeo.com/1486964?pg=embed&sec=
Antwort von domain:
me ... but the shakes when the cars differently than in purely recorded 25p!
acts as if they were always easy to brake and accelerate with 25p just jerky.
This kind of bucking is very typical for the "cheap" method of conversion of 30 to 25 fps, namely by simply every 5th Frame is removed. Looks exactly like how you've described it Zizi: five times per second makes the car a small leap forward, absolutely indiskutabel. So in the way it is not, it must be individual and completely re-calculated to be interpolated.
Antwort von cozmo3001:
What would be the high-end possibility of frame-rate conversion?
As I said, I had it in after effects cs3 with nem preset of
videocopilot tried, but it has nothing ...
Preliminary:
How should the projects in premiere and after effects in komps over all
be?
In the footage-(30p) or target frame rate (25p)?
Antwort von Zizi:
This kind of bucking is very typical for the "cheap" method of conversion of 30 to 25 fps, namely by simply every 5th Frame is removed. Looks exactly like how you've described it Zizi: five times per second makes the car a small leap forward, absolutely indiskutabel. So in the way it is not, it must be individual and completely re-calculated to be interpolated. Well do we have an opportunity to convert this better?
I think he has the videocopilot AE tutorial after I made what knowledge is the best option is to convert!
How do the TV stations? or find that with this simple Jerkiness from?
tuts so upset me so now synonymous not .. I think the trouble when you focus respects.
Antwort von cozmo3001:
It is unfortunately too much on, mainly because the video for a car magazine and will be rotated as if the new Benz Picture jerky through the net so Dölle ...
Comparisons, we have terrabyte way in the form of 25p Digi-Beta PAL 4:4:4 material ... there's nothing to see at the same scenes ...
But the whole thing would have it independently of the CameraLink frame a general problem of converting 30fps to 25fps to ...
Is there any plugins / Tools of Redgiant and cohorts ...?
Or any tuts of Adobe & Co for the correct settings in Final Cut Pro / Premiere / AE ...?
Antwort von Axel:
Or any tuts of Adobe & Co for the correct settings in Final Cut Pro ... Compressor> Frame Control (25p default tab in windows) to activate. > Frame rate conversion:> Quality: "Better" or "optimal"
Rather than omit every sixth frame, 30 frames are made of 25 new interpolated, with analysis of the pixel positions, is called "Optical Flow", and is time consuming, but good.
Antwort von Zizi:
It is unfortunately too much on, mainly because the video for a car magazine and will be rotated as if the new Benz Picture jerky through the net so Dölle ...
Comparisons, we have terrabyte way in the form of 25p Digi-Beta PAL 4:4:4 material ... there's nothing to see at the same scenes ...
But the whole thing would have it independently of the CameraLink frame a general problem of converting 30fps to 25fps to ...
Is there any plugins / Tools of Redgiant and cohorts ...?
Or any tuts of Adobe & Co for the correct settings in Final Cut Pro / Premiere / AE ...? Your car makes for a magazine with videos taken with the 5D Beta Cams?
What more details? ;-)
If this is not difficult with fast zoom accurate especially when the focus moving car ..
Sounds cool .. meanwhile already really turn transmitter so many!
only one hears nothing about ..
DSAs with the compressor must CIH synonymous try!
But this works better as with AE I can not imagine!
Antwort von cozmo3001:
hi Zizi,
ja nee, not yet, but we flirt with the 5D because of the greater depth of field, handling, cost of lenses, saving time during the transfer (3 beta tapes and sifting NEN transfer takes half a day, of 24GB card takes 30min or so .. .
It is currently not in any way a substitute for a Digi-Beta, but in some scenes (Onboard, see Laforet!) Looks to halt ne 5D classes better than a mini-HDV with a mini-sensor and 2, 8 Wide ...
We produce content image synonymous movies, etc. .. which will be produced in HD, and in some scenes, it is practical with the 5D, because you will not be so noticeable ... ne Digi-Beta on the shoulder is still available for some of the exotic eye-catcher. ..
Antwort von Zizi:
You say it! precisely for these reasons I would go as part synonymous bought!
But I'd never synonymous Money for a DigiBeta ;-)
What is actually the picture of a difference HDV and DigiBeta?
I mean what are there for 3x CCD sensors installed? what size?
One finds in the networked so not really much about these big parts!
What struck me, however, such auffält the prosumer hardly inferior image quality to offer?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
DigiBeta ... ... what are there for 3x CCD sensors installed? what size? One finds in the networked so not really much about these big parts ... Details abound:
Antwort von handiro:
there are wonderful times to Ikegamis heul prices rausgehauen because except for one, all the channels require 16:9 .... a real tragedy when you consider what kind of quality those old betas have the HD with all the modern stuff for a long time could keep pace, if not in the game would be 16:9.
If you just s.diese parts newer recorder ranhängen could ... DigiBeta can still inflate to 16:9 but the workflow is sucks!
a 3x 2 / 3 "CCD has in any case a reasonable DOF! since the 1 / 2" and a fortiori the 1 / 3 "only with this miserable adapters ran.
Antwort von alibaba:
best method:
Superb 24p/25p to 30p workflow (speed up to 25 read s.the end)
1. Cut video in 30 fps timeline
2. Create copy of finished edit so you'll have two clips, one to convert to 24p and one to preserve audio.
2. Open Cinema Tool (part of Final Cut Studio), File, Open Clip ", choose" Conform ", specify" 23.98 "to conform to.
Explanation: This keeps the same number of frames in the clip, it only changes the timebase from 30fps to 24fps, essentially creates overcranked footage by 6 frames, (desirable on some shots). As a result this makes the source clip and Slows down the audio which is undesirable where audio is important. At this point you've already created a copy of the original clip therefore preserving the original audio which we'll RELINK later in Final Cut.
3. Now open the inspector window so we can do some tweaking. Under "Frame Controls" tab, click the button to the right of "Frame Controls" to enable this feature. Once enabled, select "On" for "Frame Controls:" Underneath the Retiming Control "section is where we'll make changes. For "Set Duration to:" click the radio button where it will allow us to put in a duration. NOW THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, OPEN THE COPY OF THE CLIP THAT WE STILL HAS CREATED THE 30 FPS TIMEBASE AND PUT IT INTO THE FINAL CUT PRO TIME LINE, DELETE THE VIDEO TRACK AND ENSURE THE TIMEBASE OF THE SEQUENCE IS SET TO 23.98, GO TO THE END OF THE AUDIO AND READ THE TIME CODE, THIS WAY WE'RE WE'RE Ensuring that retiming (Speeding BACK UP) THE CLIP says IT WILL MATCH THE ORIGINAL AUDIO. This number is the time code you'll put into the duration field, (example01: 08:01:06) then depending on how well you want the footage to look so taking into consideration the time it will require to compress it choose the desired quality under "Conversion Rate". I choose, "Best (High quality motion compesnation)" to get superb results, however this increases the compression time.
Important: Make sure that no matter which codec you use that it remains sa 23.98 fps timebase.
4. Now take the treated clip into Final Cut, we've already set up the sequence from step 3rd Add the clip to video track 1, RELINK and presto!
I've extensively tested this and find it to be the best way to convert 30p to 24p for the time being, or atleast and hopefully until Canon comes up with a firmware to address the issue.
Additional tips: If you have to treat multiple clips in Cinema Tools, choose "Batch Conform" locate one file where all the files are located. Then setup batch conversions in compressor, if you have a quad core or 8 core configure Q master to take advantage of all cores otherwise it will take longer.
Just change retiming value to 83.334% for 25 frames instead of 24
second best method of interpolation Apple Compressor Frame 30 -> 25
third best method with After Effects Twixtor Frameblending
Antwort von meawk:
@ Alibaba: this is really serious?
I think axel's post is more correct.
@ Zizi, you should slowly over ne other cam to think (there is enough... that you buy the cam) - the 5D II is ne nummer somehow too complicated for you. you can not really read what you so absonderst - yes, I must not be synonymous, but I amuse myself so delicious here.
Antwort von alibaba:
for sure
Antwort von meawk:
for sure your welcome
Antwort von alibaba:
and do not forget friends:
only the H264 mov natively in Final Cut then pull s.Color Send Project at the Broadcast Safe settings check disable and then the entire image information available, gell then everything in the visible range and then adjust to Pro Res and convert s.Final Cut send back ;-).
Thus, nothing is lost and the black and white is so had to be.
Peace Homies
Sorry OT
Antwort von Zizi:
you should slowly over ne other cam to think (there is enough... that you buy the cam) - the 5D II is ne nummer somehow too complicated for you. you can not really read what you so absonderst - yes, I must not be synonymous, but I amuse myself so delicious here.
Well on your nonsense amusedly here but almost the entire community forums .. with sayings such as D90 is the better choice in video mode than the 5D hats, etc. you have already shown how alwissent you are!
In any event, on the old theme back:
I had now for some days here and the D90 video mode is similar to this already heavily apart of my depth AIPTEK WEB Cam .. of 0, therefore, comparatively to a 5D!
D90 http://www.zizis-blog.com/5D/D90Nacht.jpg
5D: http://www.zizis-blog.com/5D/5DLowLightVideo.jpg
says it all ..
Antwort von tommyb:
In the latest "Film & TV cameraman" is about a music rotation with a 5D reported.
To 30/24fps problem to grips with one has the music in playback by about 25% faster. Later, the whole then 24p in the Timeline "stretched", making it fit again.
Antwort von weitwinkel:
what about with the capture of the signal via HDMI
Black Magic or HD Storm from, you can be the frame rate
runterskalieren?
(certainly would be the capturing of an analog HD signal s.besten ...)
gruß cj
