Frage von iasi:
so ... So now they are there, the specifications ...
interesting is the modular design - synonymous when it is not entirely consistent, for example, what the objective is concerned ... the "small" 2 / 3 "scarlet offer only small mounts.
$ 3k with the camera, it is probably nothing ... perhaps the smallest scarlet with zoom, but only in Winter 2009 to appear ...
spring 2009, so you have $ 7000 for the base module lie down - but there's 30x15mm sensor and 5k ...
or even in summer / autumn 2009, 2 / 3 "scarlet base with $ 3k for 2500 ... then to monitor / viewfinder and objectively and and and ... there is one very fast over $ 3k and up ... everything in germany, we are very fast at 5000 ¬ and more.
particularly interesting are the scarlet 35S and FF35 ... with the 7000 or $ 12000 easily 15000 to 30000 will be $ ... and until then things are in Germany, we would be at 15000 to 30000 ¬.
great technique and a good concept is already ... times if they are to have ... spring / summer 2009, it starts.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21835&page=3
Antwort von motiongroup:
I think the 2 / 3 interest as they Comparison with the current and the next DSLR Semiprofis must stand.
Antwort von iasi:
the 2 / 3 "will probably be difficult with the dsrl formats can keep up.
Antwort von motiongroup:
I simply copy my statement here and her ...
only a 2/3er SENSOR? : Wink:
http://www.filmcentre.co.uk/image.html#hidef
I think this is the problem not really be: whistling:
even the Panavision HD-900F aka SONY CINEALTA uses this chip size
many others as well ...
Nobody knows anything about the technical properties of the red chips and what it would be useful if the CHIP POP would be the only OPTICS s.Qualität represents an ashtray.
It is already the sum of the whole which could offer RED as a synonymous Nikom or Canon, I can with poor material and poor handling Polaroidcam to make ... while in the analog world was SW Polariod indispensable in advertising in the studio ..
Antwort von iasi:
now - some things are but of the sensor size from:
- Depth of field (due to the focal length)
- Noise-sensitivity and / or behavioral
otherwise 3k up to 120fps quite sufficient and the image quality (due to the synonymous red raw) is certainly very good.
Antwort von iasi:
unfortunately goes well another year, until you get a 2 / 3 "scarlet can buy.
Antwort von motiongroup:
now - some things are but of the sensor size from:
- Depth of field (due to the focal length)
- Noise-sensitivity and / or behavioral That is the question obs is really so in this case play a role in many of the components ..
As an example, dark current and the influence of cooling ...
But can we, the Cam is still not there and you should be on the first tests wait ..
Antwort von iasi:
in sensitivity and noise-behaved I give you right - the sensor size is a factor because ur (if a non-synonymous unimportant) ...
when the depth is the fact but different from - although you may well ask whether relatively greater depth of not even be beneficial.
Antwort von Ficeduld:
So then I take the 16 * 7cm monstrous in 3D!
Antwort von iasi:
So then I take the 16 * 7cm monstrous in 3D! good choice
Antwort von motiongroup:
when the depth is the fact but different from - although you may well ask whether relatively greater depth of not even be beneficial. now it can be quite alone by Exchangable optics
schau dir mal den LINK, as has one imposes an Panasonic AG-HPX500 private angetan 2 / 3 and 12000 ¬ for the ....
http://www.cocoa.de/news2/2007/08/22/inline1/bild01.htm
browse through and watch the issue specifically depth depth * ggg
I would think it is synonymous doing a 2 / 3 He * ggg
Antwort von iasi:
when the depth is the fact but different from - although you may well ask whether relatively greater depth of not even be beneficial.
now it can be quite alone by Exchangable optics
same visual angle at the focal length of 2 / 3 "now times smaller than 35mm ... and thus is synonymous with the tiefenschärfe hide themselves and attitudinal distance larger ...
the size factor in 2 / 3 "would be (compared kb) nevertheless still 4
thus would be the focal length of a "normal lens" for 2 / 3 "about 12.5 mm - and thus the depth is greater than for a 50mm format kb
but so what - who are the recordings of the Canon 5D Mark II with 50mm/f1, 2 has seen, he is quite happy about the increased depth of 2 / 3 "
Antwort von motiongroup:
I wish you still a little delicacy mitgeben
may be you can still remember ..
http://www.drachenfeder.com/aktuelles/drake_hd.htm
Antwort von iasi:
... nice camera, the drake ...
synonymous and it shows that one does not 9k or 28k needs ...
the other is the 6k with their 3:2 synonymous not so true.
already prefer the 35s ... with a lower dynamic range has.
the pixel size in the small 2 / 3 "is certainly a lot smaller than the S35 or even ff35 ...
really speaks much for the scarlet S35:
- It is already in the spring / summer to have his
- It offers the same pixel size as the red one
- Even has a larger sensor than the red one
- 5k when it creates 30fps (at lower resolution will still be a little more inside)
- Red, canon, nikon mount
- Wide-format
the 2 / 3 "comes late and has only small lens mount
the projectiles have FF35-kb format - just 3:2
the 645 needs expensive objective 9k and with their well-synonymous otherwise rustic equipment ... also need to be in the foreseeable time to ask: why
actually you can ask those already synonymous with 5k represent - but make it smaller so always ... let's see what further info yet to come.
Antwort von Bilderbastler:
If someone motif, where a 28k film camera required?
This is a serious issue. If such a Red Camera wants to build, then it is probably somewhere synonymous a demand for it. I can think of nothing to say just where such a film camera would.
Antwort von Ficeduld:
Projection s.eine clouds ..........
hmmmmm, but still have someone build the projector .....
Antwort von iasi:
9k and 28k, the car will be the earliest to appear early 2010 - so far there are probably only just a few drawings and key figures ...
you can write much - just synonymous, that one 25-28k per second processed images and wegspeichert ...
Antwort von iasi:
pity: of the 3000 scarlet $ we must adopt.
red will certainly be profitable in the modular system no cheap produktee purely take only about 2 / 3 "scarlet cheap to make.
the cheapest lcd monitor red says to 1700 $ zz.
So to get the 2 / 3 "scarlet spinning has finished, you have good and happy to lie down $ 6000 ... with the lens mount is costing the scarlet finally been $ 2,500.
we must therefore hold that red is not literally held:
The $ 3K-cam does not come.
the small scarlet no longer appears in the first half of 2009.
The S35 is still very interesting ... let's see what the next few weeks bring s.technischen details (until spring 2009, it is not much longer)
Antwort von motiongroup:
Iasi Hello, I was not referring to the Qualli DRAKE but the date of the development ... 2003 ...
Since then the layman remembers how long they have so herumsch *** major industry ..
Harald from another forum has einein good WIKI link found because there is always so on the 2 / 3 herumgeritten is ..
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitale_Kinokamera#Die_relevanten_digitalen_Kinokameras_und_ihre_wichtigsten_Eckdaten
Dan, the all is covered and the old 3000 ¬ Scarlet was synonymous only to the basic body without accessories.
Antwort von iasi:
the date, I have noticed - this is referred synonymous my "nice camera" - for 2003 was already super
the "old" Scarlet was still with Lens, controls, memory module and LCD so ... you would probably still buy the storage medium, but then it would have been synonymous go can go.
but now it looks quite different:
something turning up ready put together, do a lot of Euros in the usa and the Treasury.
red can be around good pay.
Moreover, it now still takes at least 1 year until 2 / 3 "scarlet will be available.
so beautiful, the S35 is synonymous, but when it is equal to 10000 ... and why do I need 5k actually ... 5k to edit it then needs synonymous nor an equal or better 8core equal 12core workstation ...
why could not only red word hold?
first half of 2009 a small-3k camera for $ 3k ... because I would have to include the first order ...
but now ... ????????????
wait times ... Now I need only look at the exact price and technical details
Antwort von iasi:
incidentally, is now synonymous the A-Cam DII interesting:
Price: ¬ 6950 *
* Preliminary price is ¬ 6950 and is including 1 battery, 1 Ikonoskop 9mm lens and 1 Ikonoskop 80GB Memory Cartridge.
http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/
Antwort von WoWu:
Has only one crucial drawback:
none
"Jannard ... you are my hero .." Worship.
If only one device and not a religion.
Antwort von iasi:
404ERR
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Iasis
Iasis No, the
"Jannard ... you are my hero .." and the cult, the question is made, really frightens me slightly from.
Our goal is to as quickly as possible 720p60 in 4:4:4 and 12 bit to make, because we only deliver s.TV and analysis to DVD and now little more demand for higher resolutions. It may be that in a few years back changed, but I think in the next two periods, no depreciation.
Already each year at our 600 TByte data that handled and must be archived. That is not very much ... Many companies have given much higher volumes, but even if you use more efficient methods would be our goal to double mean.
The RED has a different target market, which appears with such "trivial" issues will not have to struggle.
My desire is for the camera RED imagination still not there.
Yet I find the development of exciting and well-synonymous, that movement has come into play, but there are just still so exotic in some respects, but certainly not uninteresting for a manageable market.
I think synonymous, in the Scarlet 3kEUR and perhaps distribution through Apple would certainly have raised the consumer segment may foam, but it is no longer out.
Nor is the question for me after the service is still insufficient to answer the synonymous and proprietary software allows the user to another unwanted dependency.
Even the (so far) unreliable model policy (inclusive of the endless updates for the CODE RED) and are not statements about this codec development and, above all, about memory awaken little confidence.
There are no reliable synonymous statements about how backward compatible because all the software updates so far were a prerequisite for a continuous use of content over many years but is very important.
You see, there are some considerations for the choice of a camera .. and that was only the tip of the list.
It may be that everything is still coming. So we are waiting from.
Antwort von iasi:
well-spoken, Wolfgang ... synonymous to me because it is similar. the 2 / 3 "scarlet 3k would be synonymous with me entirely sufficient - but it now comes to a much later and is on the other hand, cost more. the information policy of red is particularly annoying - you have many vague intimations and rendered images, the few information look, which also consisted unbeedingt not have.
the scarlet S35 is nice, but synonymous, I can see the high resolution with skepticism - even during the recording you have a lot of memory reserved and then edit synonymous.
the other: you can runterskalieren red raw footage and the necessary resolution in the next edit. Moreover one has for the future high-resolution archival material.
and: Adobe Premiere CS4 is now red raw probably natively support, which of course properly compute power will be required.
memory to emerge:
the development will remain here, fortunately, are not synonymous - the price per gb is falling steadily.
somehow already bitterly:
- The $ 3,000 camera, and probably not to the 2 / 3 "must be a long wait, but it can be given to how the" old "scarlet.
- The perfectly nice scarlet S35 increases the cost enormously (synonymous to the average) and should also be some restrictions with defects. jim it should probably have said that in ninth resolution higher frame rates than 30 to give (ie other than the red one). I would be 50 or 60fps is also important as a high resolution (24fps, the enthusiasm, I can not ever understand.)
- And again just now, the information policy of red, the one on far too much is unclear.
Antwort von motiongroup:
A-Cam DII with security is interesting if the environment s.Hardware and software from the fog has peeled ... DNG in the single image is all well and good but how does the mechanism from moving in?
On the website and the forum is about, unfortunately, nothing to read or to see samples. The better approach is to all but the first line on the Qualli s.and s.die interfaces are available.
Antwort von WoWu:
It is and remains in continuous use synonymous always an economic issue, because at 700 Mb / s would be with us the need for archiving / year of 600 TByte increase to 42 petabytes ... or some 4,200 a plate 1TByte.
So how should an infrastructure alone in the room look to the continuous use of such cameras can tolerate?
Antwort von iasi:
Now yes - for each production is a 5k resolution is certainly not suitable - and do not necessarily synonymous
There are other fields where 5k is perfectly reasonable to make.
everything goes in the direction of cinema, benefits of 5k (the red one was still synonymous to 4900x2580 pixel gross) ...
that is probably the decision with 35mm or 16mm to compare.
who thinks that more can not hurt, but will quickly realize that 5k quite thick wood is.
I hadere with me - if the drum around (keywords: modular system) always the same cost, then I can synonymous equal access to the S35, especially since I am on the 2 / 3 "still have to wait longer.
5k costs but synonymous in the monetary and time processing - synonymous to 2k if I downscaling.
if I upgrade to Premiere CS4 red and the 5k will directly import raw, it needs, however, a zünftige workstation (of adobe I read, therefore, synonymous already claims such as: the 64-bit support allows them to make their computers with memory vollzustopfen - that is, mutatis mutandis) .. .
who the other one has red material seen before (in red raw), which is certainly the very 5k subscribe.
red! Give me a 3k scarlet, which is not finished spinning almost as much as the S35!
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Iasis
I had at the last NAB opportunity with one of the engineers of the NHK system to speak. Of course, it is impressive .. and well, there are 8k instead of 4k, but from what I've taken the conversation is that the system costs with the Resolutionexorbitant go into the Height. It is just not enough, a 4k camera to buy .... This is only the entrance fee ....
There's a difference if I make a film exposure, the sensor at the same time, data storage and archive and its contents I have a few tin cans of A to B can be transported and a good optics and a light source to reproduce sufficient, or whether I play for piece on the way to the visible product must represent troublesome. Moreover, it is still synonymous speeches about what the 4 k, because 4k sensor resolution is still far no 4k product.
What makes RED because currently, advertising and the stirring of a very large drum, to the moment all the back on course to make up for the DSRL interested.
Antwort von Ficeduld:
@ Iasis
What makes RED because currently, advertising and the stirring of a very large drum, to the moment all the back on course to make up for the DSRL interested. Well then this is probably assigned Liebesmüh. Wait is s.bis the DSRL's all there. For the user, but the <= 3k to spend will probably be the case is clear.
Gruss
F.
Antwort von iasi:
ufff ...
So a little more details:
scarlet S35: 5k at 1-30fps and 2k for 1-60fps
the scarlet FF35 comes to 1-30fps at 6k and 1-60fps at 3k
cropped
So this makes me really happy.
50 or 60fps I would be very important - I think nothing of the 24fps that the old camera technology are owed.
2k cropped but ultimately signifies genutze sensor area of approximately 12x6mm ... barely larger than the 3k area of 2 / 3 "... only the pixel size in the S35 would be an advantage.
and who wants to have $ 28,000 for a brain issue - except for the distributors do not pay.
Some think that the red one now heavily s.wert lose - well - only her damit!
Antwort von jogol:
mistaken as this hype works.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Iasi
Really, just the first .... Take your time Zievorgabe what you want to make a product and then start at the corresponding Objektivgüte on. Take the size of the sensor (dimensions) and the number of pixels. Then you expect it to 16:9 and to have the amount of horizontal resolution. Then you expect from the dimensions and quantity of the pixel resolution size. Then you draw (in RED) the Rahmendenster for viewfinders s.and get the remaining amount s.Resolutionauf the sensor. Then you draw some. 35-45% for the Farbmaske them s.and then you have your real Resolutionfür the Picture. From the pixel size you can now work out at what your Aperture Picture begins to be blurred, and where your maximum work area (and thus synonymous your borders a usable depth of focus) is located.
Or go the other way around times ... accountable to you for a 5 times or 9k sensor performance from the lens, you have to offer the device in order to get an idea how expensive part will be. Fortunately, large areas of the sensor output so opposite, but are large expensive glasses again .... look around you see what a 180 lp / mm Zeiss Lens today at cost (if you ever get one).
And I could now continue with the memory ....
It reads everything so great: 6K, 9k, 28k .... and then?
RED really pulls the Reißleine promises and now the blue of the sky ... and before the RED one cheap on eBay to buy, must first be delivered enough. And the promised Scarlet with the plastic lens is once again nothing has become synonymous.
I can only say that the entire 5k or 4k discussion .... back to earth and then again very slowly begin to count.
Antwort von iasi:
annoying:
Jim founded the 2k at 60fps with the scarlet S35 size of the housing and cooling ... but why can they then but FF35 scarlet 3k at 60fps?
Moreover, the electronics of the 2 / 3 "even 120fps.
So ne - the scarlet S35 is an economical box $ 7000
somehow affects the less and less convincing ...
given then the current distribution and the supply difficulties of red ...
hopefully the other manufacturers come with a 2k 60fps with sufficient size sensor and a manual setting (the canon 5D mark II is not synonymous ultimately from the yellow ei)
Antwort von iasi:
@ Iasi
Really, just the first .... Take your time Zievorgabe what you want to make a product and then start at the corresponding Objektivgüte on.
I can only say that the entire 5k or 4k discussion .... back to earth and then again very slowly begin to count. not really - I already have the red one seen pictures and videos and a little editing synonymous.
it is a bit like with some people from the mask:
according to their needs it now meinung whole new hd schminke as if 35mm film material not long ago, the resolution of hd had brought.
in any case of 35mm cine lenses perfectly, synonymous to a 4 or 5k-pixel sensor, the last to get out.
I would always have some photo-Fixed focus enough, because schärfe or drag to zoom, I can not renounce. the other, then of course not synonymous brain reasonable $ 12,000 - even at 5k, I must ask myself whether the ratios will still vote.
I should say None, however, only that a 85-nikon significantly worse results, than a red-zoom.
if the objective of photo-21mpixeln enough, they should be synonymous to 5 or 6mpixel can operate properly.
interesting is synonymous with an article in R & TV-K. I have read years ago: some HDV test videos were on 35mm ausbelichtet presented and some people - they saw the projected not to the origin - until they are pointed out.
ultimately would be the scarlet S35 perfectly ok, if you target with the 'closing date on 35mm' works ...
I feel the higher frame rate but the greatest progress in digital technology - is finally in analog cinema by rotating each image synonymous hide doubled to finally come to 48fps.
the mist at 24fps digital camera may be stolen from me stay - give me 48, 50 or synonymous 60fps.
because of her little scarlet is quite nice.
only first see what the then small s.ende costs until it is finished spinning ... and how it is synonymous with the sensitivity and the ecstatic behavior is ordered.
unfortunately is still at least another year into the land, until some of the scarlet will be shown.
oh yes - and s.der 9k-epic will finally mittelformat objective - in the photo area with much higher resolutions ready.
I've since remembered less Bzgl the objektivgüte, if you are not just a 60 ¬ zoom is used.
Antwort von jogol:
Iasi has written:
I would always have some photo-Fixed focus enough, because schärfe or drag to zoom, I can not renounce. On the schärfe pull up? Since you do not need Red, the cheaper you can have.
interesting is synonymous with an article in R & TV-K. I have read years ago: some HDV test videos were on 35mm ausbelichtet presented and some people - they saw the projected not to the origin - until they are pointed out.
So buy yourself a nice HDV Camera.
I've since remembered less Bzgl the objektivgüte, if you are not just a 60 ¬ zoom is used. As you can see what all these idiots for professional cameramen, the glasses are so expensive on their 35mm Arris screw.
Now I get my old 4008 out and Beaulieu rotating NEN Super 8 film with an old Russian 15Jahre B / W material to me of the "tech overkill to recover.
Beautiful dreams
Jojol
Antwort von iasi:
On the schärfe pull up? Since you do not need Red, the cheaper you can have.
As you can see what all these idiots for professional cameramen, the glasses are so expensive on their 35mm Arris screw.
because what has now schärfe draw with the qualities to do a red?
In practice, the cine-objective primarily through its handling and the stationary photo-fronlinsen the superior objective.
if a professional photographers with its 35mm dsrl shoot a picture, he will hardly have lower quality, as a cameraman.
The difference between cine-lenses and photographic results rather from the numbers.
like many of his 50-150mm T3 Zoom is probably the red sell?
and how many of his zb nikon VR 70-200mm 2.8G IF-ED?
the tests, the reduser made with photographic objective had looked so bad in any case not synonymous.
btw: someone actually believes that red is building its own objective?
of leica has his red glasses, but certainly not synonymous.
as always synonymous:
at a filmproduktion with little budget, the rent for a true cine-objectively not really fall into the weight - because then counts the time profitably by improving the handling much more.
Antwort von iasi:
So buy yourself a nice HDV Camera.
I've long ago.
... synonymous is not bad ...
1080p, 2 or 3k in 50/60fps but I would prefer.
Antwort von iasi:
As you can see what all these idiots for professional cameramen, the glasses are so expensive on their 35mm Arris screw.
Now I get my old 4008 out and Beaulieu rotating NEN Super 8 film with an old Russian 15Jahre B / W material to me of the "tech overkill to recover.
yes - a good profit picks synonymous from an old 4008 or something.
