Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Redrock Micro M2 adapter test: 35 mm Lenses s.der DV Cam of thomas - 20 Jun 2007 13:51:00 IR. Com test of the Redrock Micro M2 adapter, which allows 35 mm Lenses for DV / HDV camcorder to use. Conclusion: the disadvantage of increased weight and the light intensity is reduced by the enormous possibilities dazugewonnen by professional Lenses and the design of the Focus range far into the shadows asked.
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Antwort von Michael Pilipp:
The statement is nonsense. I myself have a Brevis35. The disadvantages are:
- On the upside Picture.
- Problems with the sheep, through lack of good viewfinders.
- Man filming from a screen - so the quality is always much lower than that of Originalobjetives.
I use the adapter only for so Protraitsaufnahmen in which blur depth is important. Always a combination of adapter and Origionalaufnahmen shots. Www.24-test on frames.de
Antwort von JMitch:
I have the M2 and also am a little disappointed. The things is ne shaky affair and sharpness out without Follow Focus is very very difficult. Will my 2008 What other growth ...
Antwort von JMitch:
The problem with the screen so I have resolved:
My self-built adapter consists of 2 lenses. The first lens (50mm focal) comes right in front of the camera lens. (Bayonet of the camera showing off). The 2nd Lens (Focal 100mm) is with the bayonet of the first lens connected. You need this construction Fuet no screen, but the problems with the laterally. The depth of focus is great. I use the adapter with my Panasonic NVGS 180th It has not of quality.
Antwort von JMitch:
The problem with the screen so I have resolved:
My self-built adapter consists of 2 lenses. The first lens (50mm focal) comes right in front of the camera lens. (Bayonet of the camera showing off). The 2nd Lens (Focal 100mm) is with the bayonet of the first lens connected. You need this construction Fuet no screen, but the problems with the laterally. The depth of focus is great. I use the adapter with my Panasonic NVGS 180th It has not of quality. The screen is not evil and has a specific function, Friends.
Antwort von emu:
Did someone here randomly SG Pro Comparison? The M2 is synonymous'm interested, but not because after Dt. supply and processing quality are not synonymous as the Renner should be (so what you read), would be the SG Pro so maybe an alternative that is synonymous problem-free can buy (which sit so well in England) and is the cheaper part still synonymous. Furthermore, developers are planning to have a version in which the picture is displayed correctly - but do not know whether this is really want to implement as many of the survey in the DVX forum for even greater light loss had refused.
However, I find the demo material of the SG Pro somewhat poor - because there's some times perhaps even more meaningful examples?
Antwort von JMitch:
The screen is not evil and has a specific function, Friends. And the would? Instead of the screen, I hold a 2nd Lens. The image is sharp and astrein this does not look grainy. The depth uncertainty is synonymous perfect.
Antwort von Michael Pilipp:
"My self-built adapter consists of 2 lenses ..."
I've tried. This actually works! I'm absolutely speechless. However, during my test of the restricted field of view. I'm interested in your idea. Could you write me at info@cocoa.de or call me: Michael Pilipp 09561.235460
The downside is (and also the advantage of the screen), that each of the lint and scratches Objetives looks. The screen vibrates.
Antwort von JMitch:
The screen is not evil and has a specific function, Friends.
And the would? Instead of the screen, I hold a 2nd Lens. The image is sharp and astrein this does not look grainy. The depth uncertainty is synonymous perfect. The grain effect is desired, the 35mm film-effect to be achieved.
Antwort von HeikoS:
Ähh, so grain of 35mm film should not really be visible .......
Antwort von JMitch:
I thought this gloomy picture. Called the kornig not?
Antwort von JMitch:
Hi all
I'm only just under 2 weeks since RedRock users so far and excited.
The images have absolute Kinofeel (among others, precisely because of the screen, for the subtle, movie-like "base blur" ensures, that even a sharp razor s.sich Picture is not as "clinically" razor sharp as in normal video) and the possibilities of selective focus I will now no longer miss. Disadvantage are clearly the massive increase in equipment (My "Rig" is about 80cm long and hard about 6kg) significantly increased lighting needs (especially for pictures with little depth of field) and that the first Picture is upside. Against the Kopfstand I have (unfortunately only SD) monitor on the Accessorypod built. Another difficulty (but the HD is generally synonymous) is the sharp points, what with the SDMonitor and the synonymous (s.sich surprisingly good!) Display of the FX1 is very difficult. Therefore, I will HDVRack growth and a laptop. Sure is not much more portable, but for movies no problem too big. The FollowFocus allows for very clean (from "mechanical" view) focus and sharpness very comfortable relocation. I am currently synonymous with the processing of very satisfied. Not yet done (but have not yet synonymous really worked on it), I have that the distance indicated on the lens of reality. Not ideal, but ultimately it's still sharp. In terms of "light loss" is also important to note that yes the screen with zoom filming, which is synonymous s.Kameraobjektiv Aperture loses again, as I come to only 2.6 instead of 1.8 (?).
Langer Write short, I am completely thrilled for me, the investment has clearly paid off so far. In a few weeks we will rotate "productive", I'm curious to see if everything goes well ...
- Volker
Antwort von JMitch:
Ähh, so grain of 35mm film should not really be visible ....... Like the earlier of when you complained Jerkiness cinema pictures is the actual film grain
is always visible - if it respects. The film grain is for the demonstrators, the only reliable size to adjust the focus. Only that it does not hold, as a non-oscillating Mattscheibe a 35mm adapter, always s.selben point remains.
Against the Kopfstand I have (unfortunately only SD) monitor on the Accessorypod built. Another difficulty (but the HD is generally synonymous) is the sharp points, what with the SDMonitor and the synonymous (s.sich surprisingly good!) Display of the FX1 is very difficult. Therefore, I will HDVRack growth and a laptop. I can synonymous laptop directly into a capture, and I can only say that the preview for pulling focus during the recording is totally unsuitable. There is a small but very irritating temporal offsets instead. Any small LCD screens have mostly a lot worse Resolutionals the display of the Camera. Try the following solution: The display will rotate to the rear (as you wanted to record yourself and see it). Picture This car is mirrored vertically. Now you put a small mirror (Cosmetic Division) in the 45 ° angle to the display. You have now effectively a 180 ° rotation, the attachment weighs approximately 30 grams and is with the display in the position adjustable.
The images have absolute Kinofeel (among others, precisely because of the screen, for the subtle, movie-like "base blur" ensures, that even a sharp razor s.sich Picture is not as "clinically" razor sharp as in normal video) A slight blur is probably inevitable. The screen must be yes scatter. That is why it is important that all sides of the incident diffuse light excluded. With
such
Antwort von JMitch:
thank you dear "guest". times it was a good and competent contribution.
Antwort von Axel:
thank you dear "guest". times it was a good and competent contribution. Unfortunately not. The contribution was of me and the thing with the mirror funzt
not! I have a scrap SLR expanded the prism, and so gehts as described. The structure is probably somewhat more complex, the picture is tiny, and the prism weighs tons. Sorry, shame on me.
Antwort von HeikoS:
Ähh, so grain of 35mm film should not really be visible .......
Like the earlier of when you complained Jerkiness cinema pictures is the actual film grain is always visible - if it respects. The film grain is for the demonstrators, the only reliable size to adjust the focus. Height, slowly: What movies will be shown later, the x-th copy of the umpteenth copy. Of course, because then you can see film grain. But is it really the meaning and purpose of this adapter, the visual "experience" in the movies followed by? Where is it please the Rütteloptik to the picture booth to simulate, or vignetting, etc.
Can you on a movie that you've purchased on DVD, such as film grain recognize?
And relating to Jerkiness: Answer me please look at the question of why there are swivel tables. Or why the term "foreground" and "background strobing" ever existed.
Only in this way is an example from
http://tinyurl.com/35ku79:
"To understand foreground strobing, imagine a horizontally moving square shot on film s.24fps. In a theater when the film is projected s.24fps with a double-bladed shutter, each frame is shown twice. This raises the" flicker frequency "from 24Hz to 48Hz. If this were not done, we would see intolerable flicker, especially in bright areas of the picture. As we watch the projected image, our eyes automatically track the moving square. Our brain quickly determines the square's movement vector. " Therefore, when the shutter opens on a new frame, the square is where our brain has directed our eyes to look. When, however, the projector shutter opens a second time on the same frame, our gaze point has already advanced Halfway to the anticipated position of the square s.the next time frame. Thus, the square is ImageDIG onto our retina a second time sa position displaced along the axis on which the object is moving. This is the origin of the "double" image. The faster the object moves, the faster our eyes move, and the greater the displacement of the "double image."
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Antwort von Axel:
Can you on a movie that you've purchased on DVD, such as film grain recognize? No.. The Resolutionglättet the course. Even in the movies can I say, not a single photo grain, but a swarm of mosquitoes a similar level of the image. I see the mosquito swarm, the picture is so sharp as it just goes without binoculars. The mosquito swarm I see synonymous with low magnification. Whether the new material Kodal 11k for 35mm which puts an end remains to be seen. But as you correctly write itself to Movies-Resolutionschöpft yes to the original recording did not. As the picture in several layers is set up, the sharpness is anyway always a compromise. Please no dispute about this movie look-history. The subsequent coating with a video image Grain can I find silly, I'm not nostalgic. A look is a grainier effect, and accordingly should be rare.
And relating to Jerkiness: Answer me please look at the question of why there are swivel tables. Or why the term "foreground" and "background strobing" ever existed. At the point we were already. You're right, what the Jerkiness concerned, it is unattractive. I was right that full yet aesthetically appealing than half. As a synthesis of these two points Movies I predict the future, with the higher frequency. Agree?
Antwort von Michael Pilipp:
So with the two Objetiven physical functioning but not now. You will be a picture, but the depth of focus is the same as before (like the camcorder, for example). Well ... would have been synonymous with beautiful
Antwort von Ulysses:
If anyone is interested here's a few nice pictures:
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HV-20 and Redrock M2. Looks great I think.
Antwort von WoWu:
Axel @ ..
... abei run cinema projectors but I'll be faster ....
In the movies are not really the movies with 24 frames / sec. played, but are with a wing panel, between the light source and the film strip is used, either twice or three rays - depends on the projector.
This one does not notice how the film strip on the film reel moves, the screen is between the film frames for a brief moment to be black. At 24 times per second black man would be a clear but perceive flickering.
When twice or three times of 48 Hz or 72 Hz noticed the human eye these black moments, but nothing more. This is the cinema screen as unnecessary and without any flicker or flicker perceived .... So relatively ...
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Ulysses ...
... Your enthusiasm can I somehow do not understand .... are synonymous in the videos somewhere a sharper point? That's just fuzzy "sauce" ... and the movie is just that, the focus point is sharp crack .... blurred images when I do, do I get the adapter out without synonymous.
But perhaps it is so synonymous s.dem "Stamps movies.
Antwort von Axel:
[quote = "WoWu" ... abei run cinema projectors but I'll be faster ....
In the movies are not really the movies with 24 frames / sec. played, but are with a wing panel, between the light source and the film strip is used, either twice or three rays - depends on the projector. When twice or three times of 48 Hz or 72 Hz noticed the human eye these black moments, but nothing more. This is the cinema screen as unnecessary and without any flicker or flicker perceived .... So relatively ...[/ quote] The flicker is no longer consciously perceived, but the movements are not a bit smoother. And Heiko see is right when he writes that fast movements in the movies
always bucking, and that you noticed the stronger the closer you sit s.der screen. Review: Transformers. The content is certainly not for everyone, you should watch the film because of the CG animation view (s.besten of one of the front rows). They are so fast that everyone is clear: The technology may be the movement no longer dissolve. That really screams after 50p (of George Lucas already ten years ago called for), but the audience seems to drum None shearing.
Antwort von Axel:
If anyone is interested here's a few nice pictures:
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HV-20 and Redrock M2. Looks great I think. ... Your enthusiasm can I somehow do not understand .... are synonymous in the videos somewhere a sharper point? That's just fuzzy "sauce" ... and the movie is just that, the focus point is sharp crack .... blurred images when I do, do I get the adapter out without synonymous. Everything is easy to blur. This makes it sometimes difficult to keep the footage, together with other shots to be cut. We see that the blur is worse after sunset. This is the adapter in the bright midday light as a contrast filter with a slight blur (this combination is of course synonymous with no adapter). Rule of thumb: adapter only at high contrasts!
In the example shown here is the vignette does not fully herausgezoomt (dark corners). What you must remember is synonymous: Through the Out is made from a 50mm lens effectively a 80mm. Who is a 50mm wants, needs in fact, a wide, a 35mm.
