Frage von ars2000:
Hello,
after some time of reading, I must now synonymous times to get rid of some questions to me synonymous after studying the various contributions to the above mentioned cameras under the nails burn.
In (very) near future, the purchase of a HDV camera into the house. Basically, I have inserted in two models, namely the Canon XH A1 and the SonyFX 7th Only I am not clear on what I now decide.
The price difference for me is not the criterion, because not very large.
There are a few requirements that I have s.die Camera. Maybe you can help me so, so exploit that behind the Canon Sonyals or the only choice left.
So the camera must smoothly with Apple's Final Cut Express HD 3.5 (or Final Cut Studio) to work together.
A decent wide angle is also of advantage. How much does the difference between the XH and the FX 7 in practice noticeable?
The Camera is synonymous with non-optimal conditions used (rain / dust / low light). Thus, once the question of the availability of accessories to the camera from dust and moisture protection. On the other hand, after the image is less ideal lighting conditions.
I have read the informative tests here on the page of course read, but I'm also just interested in opinions about the practical use.
I read that the displays of the XH not be so great, and the manual focus more difficult aim. What is it, and how much and under what conditions does the noticeable?
CCD versus CMOS synonymous is a question which I would imagine. But must be made at all? Are the Drittelzöller really better than the smaller Sony CMOS chips?
Finally, I am interested in more, if someone is something about the reliability / Roubstheit the cameras can say.
Thanks for your effort.
Greeting
Arnie
Antwort von globalvj:
in very many points will secure the front nose s.die have
only in reliability and robustness of the FX7, I would clearly see the front.
the strong s.hat synonymous CA difficulties and to keep the focus
if the condition reingezoomten sharp then again rauszoomt ..
continue to exist for the problems with loose s.teilweise Mikros /
decoupling external microphone / suspension tapes and difficulties in the automatic mode ...
really a pity that I have little trust in a long
durability of this otherwise excellent camera did.
gruß cj
Antwort von PowerMac:
XH A1
Antwort von schunck:
Wolfgang would you probably synonymous to A1 guess why you see here: http://www.fxsupport.de/18.html Sure, the A1 has CA, reliability was not the best reputation, but it is precisely these issues Wolfgang, Sonyauf Canon of the transition is, in his blog at great length and understandable. Take your time and read it with you sometime, when you should buy very helpful.
Liebe Grüße
Flo
Antwort von the machine:
I've since 7 months, the XH A1, for Comparison with the FX 7 can I say nothing ...
But I had no problems with the reliability, not a single drop out (and with the Panasonic AY-DVM60YE, the black), only once I had a tape back rausnehmen and reload .... after that everything works. The processing is synonymous with my csm good. The Micro is the move has already been discussed enough to ...
I can only recommend the camera, used properly makes them very cool images.
Antwort von TURGUT22:
I would prefer Canon XH A1, you will never regret it if you decide to A1, because everything is just right, synonymous to the price. Greetings Sibirjan
Antwort von TURGUT22:
My reasons for the FX-7
- Smaller, lighter
- Better Optics, significantly more telephoto focal length
Kommt halt depends on what you're looking for. For travel and nature videos FX7 is clear to me is the better camera, especially since I do not need to have XLR inputs. For other areas of the Canon may be more appropriate.
But principle is perhaps even decisive, what with this camera you want to do. From what you write it, could actually fit both cameras, although I do not know how it with accessories like rain looks like.
Antwort von TURGUT22:
I recommend the XHA1 as synonymous for which you have to pay more in comparison to the FX7 get much more offered. So much price difference there is between the two cams and not who Sovi money for a camcorder can easily make the itch a few hundred euros more for the XHA1 is no longer synonymous. Price performance ratio of the XHA1 is spitze. Pity that Sonyda not respond with discounts. For it would be much less interesting, but it is too expensive.
Antwort von ManfredBauer:
Wolfgang would you probably synonymous to A1 guess why you see here: http://www.fxsupport.de/18.html Sure, the A1 has CA, reliability was not the best reputation, but it is precisely these issues Wolfgang, Sonyauf Canon of the transition is, in his blog at great length and understandable. Take your time and read it with you sometime, when you should buy very helpful.
Liebe Grüße
Flo na ja, so huge is the difference between the cams do not
wolfgang (trunk) even speaks here of recordings with the HV20
are better than with the a1:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4278&page=2&sid=e15b3b11cc332bd08c540e67baf61e0e
gruß cj
Antwort von Axel:
in very many points will secure the front nose s.die have
only in reliability and robustness of the FX7, I would clearly see the front.
the strong s.hat synonymous CA difficulties and to keep the focus
if the condition reingezoomten sharp then again rauszoomt ..
continue to exist for the problems with loose s.teilweise Mikros /
decoupling external microphone / suspension tapes and difficulties in the automatic mode ...
really a pity that I have little trust in a long
durability of this otherwise excellent camera did. The Microphone
will be as loose. It wobbles more than the Sony, there is neither better nor worse (since 8 know VX1000, VX2000 since 5 and FX1 for over 2 years). Sony make a stronger impression, the true should fall down but none of these devices.
The autofocus is excellent, you can make it, but controlled in parallel with the display highlighting the contours and manual correction if necessary (especially in telephoto). After a while you get the out. Problem, problem over.
Since I am, if possible, tapeless capture on my laptop, I have until now only 8 tapes recorded (TDK DVM60 without special reason this). In these nearly 8 hours there was no dropouts.
Meanwhile, I have the A1 in its grip. With the presets, the number of the memory capacity is limited (ie, quasi-infinite), I have for every situation the appropriate complex correction filter, which I just have a browse button should be. Outdoor scenes with varying lighting conditions can easily adapt. The user improves the capabilities of the camera through patient testing.
As for the
custom presets (at least until the FX1 that FX7 I do not know) is concerned, this is in comparison to a joke. Leave it to them, not least because you always on "menu", as once they are filming and random. To date, delivered Sonyin this price class, the best results. Today I have the same shots only lengthy post corrections subjected to align them, and even then they are likely to reveal the smaller resolution.
Who next week has a rotary, a Sony Take. From the OVP taken, one has the A1 with a stupid camera, with the recordings can only disappoint. About two months as I can invest and be happy tüftelt, will no longer look back.
Antwort von BananaDragon:
If so, I read what you write, my anticipation is growing!
Only one months! :)
Antwort von ManfredBauer:
by how much better would you s.im of the recordings on which comparative
the FX1 and classify what is the difference?
where would you say here I would have hoped with the FX1, the cards have, so it was only with the a1?
and how annoying is the CA of the strong a1?
gruß cj
Antwort von Axel:
The FX1 has an automatic transmission, which, typical of Sony, is unbeatable. How the hell it wants, it almost always situations with very little light (disco, church, night life), in which the images were still usable, and in which even the most autofocus worked (during manual focus here has been difficult). The (full-) A1 automatic contrast exaggerates it with the gain, and the AF would probably inaccurate in the extreme case. The result would be (relatively) muddy, noisy images.
Other situations, such as the light that has just come through the windows and the floor seems to be the end of each video camera. By car it would be best that the FX would have to offer, despite the ND filter underexposed interior and a few papyrus correctly exposed. Typical video, but better than what the A1 draus would do it all. Somehow, this thing - left to its own devices - with extremely short shutter smallest aperture and the entire picture below to
gain exposure and with push back on that synonymous yes no clipping occurs. I do not know whether it is actually done, but as it looks. The result: a (relatively) Picture muddy.
To compensate for these drawbacks, one is almost
forced to forgo automatic. You need a bit of experience to everything right to control. It's like with an analog SLR: Who fully with the better images makes for the A1 is nothing.
Of course you can synonymous with the FX1 manual work, and my usually leads to better results than with automatic transmission. But she has less manual options in Comparison virtually none. As for the presets are very many variables, to which all possible signal levels and their interactions, can be reported for the values in certain situations, adjust the rotation when you are available immediately. It is like a manual SLR (with a whole bunch of high-quality filter and different sensitive films on button press).
Antwort von ManfredBauer:
thanks for your best estimates.
what I wonder how you could use the manual
s.ausreizen the settings without a good control
of the image, ie without a preview monitor. yes and sometimes no
Just the time ... because then the sun (window) is gone again ...
the default setting (fokus / gain / aperture / shutter)
you can however synonymous s.der FX7 quite well in the viewfinder
assessed for visual moods and I have 3 picture profile
assigntasten put on, but then that's synonymous.
gruß cj
Antwort von Axel:
what I wonder how you could use the manual
s.ausreizen the settings without a good control
of the image, ie without a preview monitor. Good question.
Setting the presets you have naturally high s.einem Monitor / Television. When the rotation is already partially, if not flying blind, then at least Urvertrauen. And that one actually can be sure that it is better manual.
FX1, the mother of HDVs, is `a good Cam. Hab synonymous never claimed anything else, ne?
Antwort von ars2000:
Thank you once for the many quick responses.
continue to exist for the problems with loose s.teilweise Mikros /
decoupling external microphone / suspension tapes and difficulties in the automatic mode ...
gruß cj Can something somewhere about these issues after reading drive? Have not yet really to be found.
Wolfgang would you probably synonymous to A1 guess why you see here: http://www.fxsupport.de/18.html Sure, the A1 has CA, reliability was not the best reputation, but it is precisely these issues Wolfgang, Wolfgang's blog is really impressive. But I'm not a handyman and would like to work with the device without having to modify the hardware only. Unfortunately, I find nothing in Wolfgang's report about the alleged problems of the XH drive.
I had no problems with the reliability, not a single drop out (and with the Panasonic AY-DVM60YE, the black), only once I had a tape back rausnehmen and reload .... after that everything works. How many tapes do you have in these seven months of use? Funzen really just the Pana tapes with the Canon?
Kommt halt depends on what you're looking for. For travel and nature videos FX7 is clear to me is the better camera, especially since I do not need to have XLR inputs. For other areas of the Canon may be more appropriate. For precisely these considerations, I have the FX 7 levels on the label synonymous. I do not ever movies with Tripod and just synonymous to travel, and there is certainly much less every ounce of value. However, I wonder whether the picture quality / options, etc. for the Canon is not worthwhile to make. My main areas are safe travel, reportage, Land and People. Scenic less. But synonymous in these areas, I am a multi s.WW be appreciated. Only the difference is in practice really so big?
Price performance ratio of the XHA1 is spitze. Pity that Sonyda not respond with discounts. For it would be much less interesting, but it is too expensive. Even such a point. I can get Canon for 3200. Is really not a big difference to the Sony.
Since I am, if possible, tapeless capture on my laptop, I have until now only 8 tapes recorded (TDK DVM60 without special reason this). In these nearly 8 hours there was no dropouts.
It is like a manual SLR (with a whole bunch of high-quality filter and different sensitive films on button press). I did not really before my notebook at outdoor shooting to capture them. Without power supply would not last long eh alright. For this reason, I am the reliability of the drive of the camera very important. If something affordable (in relation to the camera price) hard disks on the market that can easily s.die camera docks, the back looks different. The new Looks Of Sony quite so promising, in my opinion, but overpriced.
Is synonymous with digital SLRs so. It took me a while to me the appropriate presets for my Nikon D200 to tinker. Therefore irritate me the diverse settings of the Canon. However, it is obviously unsightly, not quite used to do when the viewfinders and the monitor are really as bad as ever again to read. A laptop mitzuschleppen around the outside to check is synonymous not optimal because the display by the ambient light is not synonymous represents really good. My 50 inch HD so I can lug bad ;-) and even the popping when sunlight would not be a good picture show.
Antwort von lachaim:
Info for s.gibts but here at Slashcam a lot,
otherwise at times www.dvinfo.net or look here:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/board.php?boardid=42&sid=eadd6302b71caeec9f0b5945c4a96e78
gruß cj
Antwort von the machine:
I had no problems with the reliability, not a single drop out (and with the Panasonic AY-DVM60YE, the black), only once I had a tape back rausnehmen and reload .... after that everything works.
How many tapes do you have in these seven months of use? Funzen really just the Pana tapes with the Canon?
I have about 20-30 tapes used ever recorded only once. Was synonymous with a variety of temperatures, in February in Switzerland to over 1000m Height and minus degrees .... and the last rotation in Luxembourg were blatant 36 ° C in the shade ... I often stood in the sun. No problems.
Antwort von ars2000:
I have about 20-30 tapes used ever recorded only once. Was synonymous with a variety of temperatures, in February in Switzerland to over 1000m Height and minus degrees .... and the last rotation in Luxembourg were blatant 36 ° C in the shade ... I often stood in the sun. No problems. Sounds promising. In Lëtzebuerg we actually had to take a coffee can. Currently I tend to have XH-A1, long synonymous if I easily and reliably with Sonygearbeitet have. But I'm not markenfixiert and price-/Leistungsverhältnis of the Canon seems to me quite a bit more to offer. We spoke to me per FX 7 only the better monitor.
The footage which I have to compare my 50-inch plasma could see really clearly speaks per Canon.
So the account is probably in the near future to something more than 3000 euros easier.
Antwort von JustMatt:
The footage which I have to compare my 50-inch plasma could see really clearly speaks per Canon.
is there out here:
http://www.fxsupport.de
yet somewhere a direct comparison of the two cams
So no test results please?
and of the wolfgang is not necessarily clear a canon
but it shows the equivalent image quality.
actually speaks well of the audio range for the canon.
gruß cj
Antwort von ars2000:
is there out here:
http://www.fxsupport.de
yet somewhere a direct comparison of the two cams
So no test results please?
and of the wolfgang is not necessarily clear a canon
but it shows the equivalent image quality.
actually speaks well of the audio range for the canon.
gruß cj I refer not only at Wolfgang's excellent blog, but synonymous of any other material that I could see. At Wolfgang's test shots Lowlight I like the recordings of the Canon a track better than the Sony. Unfortunately, apart from Wolfgang seems nobody bothered to have made (or the opportunity to have had) both cameras in practice to compare the results and into the net to make. Ever seems the FX Footage 7 PRINCIPAL rarer to be sown.
The XLRs are sure the Canon a practical matter, for me, but not the decisive criterion. Apart from that I have read that the wheel for audio Audio Control mildly pretty Fummel be.
Antwort von Axel:
Apart from that I have read that the wheel for audio Audio Control mildly pretty Fummel be. This is true for nearly all wheels and switches Chen s.diesen Consumercams. The fact that the knobs are stiff, my opinion is not bad. Once levels before recording, and is good. Even if the sound would be better if you constantly s.Level spins - which is not the case -: How do you switch simultaneously?
Antwort von prysma:
Have just tried to send me the video files of Wolfgang at:
http://www.fxsupport.de/15.html
view. Unfortunately, without success, because the streams will not start. Quicktime always stops charging again.
I would be delighted if the files would be visible again.
Thanks in advance ... Jürgen
Antwort von JustMatt:
So I did it to me then downloaded and
with the vlc player (WinXP) viewed.
gruß cj
Antwort von prysma:
Sorry, now it works.
Antwort von the machine:
Sounds promising. In Lëtzebuerg we actually had to take a coffee can. Currently I tend to have XH-A1, long synonymous if I easily and reliably with Sonygearbeitet have. But I'm not markenfixiert and price-/Leistungsverhältnis of the Canon seems to me quite a bit more to offer. We spoke to me per FX 7 only the better monitor.
Hehe, yes, in Luxembourg, I sometimes come over, because I grew up;) Sony had previously ne ... synonymous and was really SonyFan ... but the XH A1 ... tja simply had the better arguments (for me)
Antwort von ars2000:
Hehe, yes, in Luxembourg, I sometimes come over, because I grew up;) Sony had previously ne ... synonymous and was really SonyFan ... but the XH A1 ... tja simply had the better arguments (for me) For me it's vice versa, is not raised in lux, but live there. Well. ;-) Whether the XH-A1, the better arguments for me, I unfortunately still not clear.
Antwort von ars2000:
Actually, I have to tomorrow to make a purchasing decision, and the FX-7 or XH A1 to order. It's really a shame that with me in the dealer does not exist, the two cameras in the store, so they directly anzutesten times, or at least a brief beschnuppern times.
Initially, I tended to XH, precisely because of the larger WW domain and the multiple options. What strikes me now, however, rather to think there is the CA of the Canon. What good is my WW-area I, thanks to the CA is limited use?
I have my experience with restricted use (zoom) lenses from the photography and knows how annoying it can be when you actually the WW fully ausreizen want it theoretically could be synonymous, in practice it but prefer it, because then the picture very critical. That is why I actually prefer in photography Fixed focus.
However, I am synonymous how annoying the lack of WW for interior shots can be. Just as I said, what does it to me if it is disfigured by CA? Why Canon has just happened to actually have enough experience in Lens that is cryptic to me.
Another issue close to my thinking, is the drive of the Canon. I mean, I have a 6 year old SonyD8 lie in the cupboard, and when I unpack, connect and capture old tapes, then the work is still synonymous easily and reliably, without any dropouts or other tape errors, and the fine synonymous with each tape / each brand.
It is not necessarily say that the Pana-tapes, with which the Canon seems to be in harmony, still synonymous in some years on the market will be. Moreover, the special tapes are not exactly synonymous everywhere.
Wolfgang (trunk) writes in another
thread: I am disturbed at the red CA sunshine actually more .... and the stupid tape drive. Sharpness pumps, I have little gratifying. But what can you even ask for 3000 Euro?
Well, at the price at least a decent drive.
I somehow feel as if the many options and switches of the Canon by the use of inferior bought drives and displays. Maybe yes deceive myself, but if I only with crutches or technical cultivation measures (additional display) reasonable focus can surprise me that already.
Did Sonydas perhaps better resolved, less but better switch installed components?
Mir is already clear that I am only speculating. I had neither the opportunity the Sony or the Canon test.
Has anyone actually an idea why the XH-A1 by the bank has relatively long lead times? The Sonykönnte me within a couple of days, get the Canon, I can wait around 4 weeks.
Good, a Blöd market near a canyon in the showcase, however, call the "experts" then 3999 euro for the XH-A1 on. Something arg excessive price in which allegedly so favorable box slider.
Antwort von c.herf:
Only freshly dead to date. These are matters that are synonymous my interests. Schwanke synonymous as between these two cameras.
Antwort von ruessel:
Probably there is a decision easier when you both your camcorder just in your hands. Since gaining immediate XH A1.
However, this camera only for people who are with the extensive menu only once really want to deal. Just so drauflos film should go in the pants ..... there are some pitfalls to avoid properly (eg the menu, not the searcher with the cassette or the camcorder's back synonymous data outputs via firewire).
This Canon is for me now not difficult to operate than a FX7. Also, I have used LCD s.den mickerigen and make 90% of the images without any additional monitor, the reject rate is very low.
The CA is for me the biggest problem, it occurs immediately when the sun shines on. On a small computer screen, it is not so bad, on a 40 Inch Screen crunch sees me with his teeth.
Check it out as the news, here is usually synonymous in CA very nice to see all the colors and the Kmeras Of the 10 times a XH A1 have tasted. I would not it be nice to talk but I think the more expensive the camera the more small "I find Blöd" points can be found.
The XH A1 is running at me with relatively few dropouts but it comes before the 60 minutes per tape a short Dropout exists.
Antwort von Jan85:
just to note:
there is a wide angle at the FX7, which is not so great
as s.der s.oder FX1 but larger than the canon h1 or the consumer-cams (eg hv20/hc7/hd7/hc1).
these large telebeich are synonymous only s.der h1 or a1,
perhaps wanted canon too much synonymous with a 20x zoom with 32,5 mm
weitwinkel.
gruß cj
Antwort von ars2000:
Probably there is a decision easier when you both your camcorder just in your hands. Since gaining immediate XH A1. Unfortunately, there is no dealer in a reasonable distance, the two camcorders in the store has. The XH-A1, I could but sometimes short "befummeln". What has been, and certainly synonymous makes her more than a FX7. The only thing is it really important? If the weight is not more vital, if one synonymous times without extensive Tripod filming want? I have previously synonymous with the U-Matic-monsters are dealt with, but it was shoulder-cameras and the weight to be comfortable (he-) bear. Well, a second man for Sound Recorder and tow had been with. Nevertheless, I find too small nor practical, as too large. I guess times that the lower weight is more speaks for the FX7. In predominantly used on the tripod looks sure different.
However, this camera only for people who are with the extensive menu only once really want to deal. Just so drauflos film should go in the pants ..... there are some pitfalls to avoid properly (eg the menu, not the searcher with the cassette or the camcorder's synonymous data back via firewire output) Well, the Fummelei to find the optimal settings I know of my D200 (DSLR), would not disturb me. Makes the Out-Of-The-Box synonymous rather terrible images in comparison to a bridge or compact camera. The time to express myself fully with the settings and menus, I would have to address. Is synonymous to what I am so tempted s.der XH.
Also, I have used LCD s.den mickerigen and make 90% of the images without any additional monitor, the reject rate is very low.
The CA is for me the biggest problem, it occurs immediately when the sun shines on. On a small computer screen, it is not so bad, on a 40 Inch Screen crunch sees me with his teeth. Here it starts to become just s.kritisch. If the CA on a 40 inch screen has to grit teeth, as it looks on a 50 inch from? If it is true that the CA FX7 less due to lower sharpness, then I wonder whether this is less s.Schärfe not tolerate is better than CA. In your example, I have clips FX7 the front and look at the XH-A1. Is of course only my personal impression. I must admit, actually a "Schärfefetischist" to be.
And when it's technical bridges ass needs to focus at all, it is, I think, doubly critical. Sure, one gets used to s.alles, but wants it? Of course, synonymous clear that all the bleating on here as a high-level play, and it is safe so that you s.einen 3200 EURO camcorder makes different demands than s.einen for 1000th
The XH A1 is running at me with relatively few dropouts but it comes before the 60 minutes per tape a short Dropout exists. That is actually a reason is not on the purchase of a XH-A1 it. All 60 minutes Dropout is already fierce. This surprises you will discover so unfortunately only after the shooting and not every setting is easily repeatable, if at all.
In this context, of course I am interested in how often burning dropouts occur at the FX7. In my Internet research is the FX7 this to me at any rate not yet noticed, but not necessarily must mean something.
there is a wide angle at the FX7, which is not so great
as s.der s.oder FX1 but larger than the canon h1 or the consumer-cams (eg hv20/hc7/hd7/hc1).
these large telebeich are synonymous only s.der h1 or a1,
perhaps wanted canon too much synonymous with a 20x zoom with 32,5 mm
weitwinkel. This is an interesting Pu
Antwort von Jan85:
the visual comparison (ww-hc3/fx7) indoors, I can quickly
Due to lack of time does not make it but will soon be acceptable times
and here (in this thread) post.
gruß cj
ps. The focus of the FX7, I guess not lower than that of the canon a1
or HV20. (because what's sharper vermutl. not in the prosumer / consumer sector)
Antwort von HeikoS:
What quality the Canon Lens now effectively has, of course I do not know. However, I know that a really good lens in photography with this focal length range costs more quickly than a XH-A1. Whether 1:1 on-camcorder world as can be I do not know, so here are some other laws, as in photography. The problem is even worse: the smaller the screen (recording chip), the higher the requirements s.die Optics. If the chip is the A1, as big as a DSLR, it would at the same optical quality of the glass as well as CA's not to be seen. So I think it will never give a compact camcorder, the same sensor area Resolutionund significantly less CA's produced.
Antwort von ars2000:
the visual comparison (ww-hc3/fx7) indoors, I can quickly
Due to lack of time does not make it but will soon be acceptable times
and here (in this thread) post.
ps. The focus of the FX7, I guess not lower than that of the canon a1
or HV20. (because what's sharper vermutl. not in the prosumer / consumer sector) Interior shots would be really helpful in order to assess the WW. The sharpness of the FX7 can I find synonymous not really worse than that of the XH-A1. In any case the basis of the few clips that I could see so far.
The smaller the screen (recording chip), the higher the requirements s.die Optics. ... So I think it will never give a compact camcorder, the same sensor area Resolutionund significantly less CA's produced. Here I would like to hook times and ask directly. The FX7 has but the much smaller chips, produced according to my knowledge but little or no CA. Times I go strongly believe that the same CMOS optical / physical laws are subject, such as CCDs. To have seen the lens of the Canon Sonydem clearly superior to what I honestly just can hardly imagine. Perhaps Sony is s.die Case conservative approach and has deliberately kept at a larger field for WW-less CA waived?
Wolfgang (proboscis) above the CA in the sunlight. Elsewhere I read in the maximum of CA WW area, again elsewhere that it synonymous s.langen end occurs. When exactly the effect occurs because now in what intensity? In the backlight? Generally, when the sun shines? Only in the WW area or across the entire focal?
Are there any CA in the FX 7 really do not or only minimally?
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, my FX 7 images are in principle (arguably, depending on demand) CA-free.
Except I bring more benefit to the game, always with an open aperture film really hard and black & white contrasts the Camera as forage type.
The synonymous known from the photo area, there are companies such as Fuji often to avoid the 28 mm (up to a few bridge cameras).
When talking with Fuji - ie Fujinon optics - employees will be clear, little CA, smallest distortion - the highest sharpness to the edge is their claim in the F series - why not 28 mm but 35 mm.
FX 7 Wide Angleist 37.4 mm (FX 1 & & XH A 1 G 1 = 32.5 mm)
I have no idea whether Wolfgang synonymous times dimmed, or when the focal length is especially bad - I TIPE times over the wide, well maybe it still ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von HeikoS:
There are on the chip surface of the Canon sensor points more upset, the pixel structure is again smaller.
Incidentally, I would be very interested synonymous, in which focal length / f-stops, the CA's occur.
Here I would like to hook times and ask directly. The FX7 has but the much smaller chips, produced according to my knowledge but little or no CA. Times I go strongly believe that the same CMOS optical / physical laws are subject, such as CCDs. To have seen the lens of the Canon Sonydem clearly superior to what I honestly just can hardly imagine. Perhaps Sony is s.die Case conservative approach and has deliberately kept at a larger field for WW-less CA waived?
Wolfgang (proboscis) above the CA in the sunlight. Elsewhere I read in the maximum of CA WW area, again elsewhere that it synonymous s.langen end occurs. When exactly the effect occurs because now in what intensity? In the backlight? Generally, when the sun shines? Only in the WW area or across the entire focal?
Are there any CA in the FX 7 really do not or only minimally?
Antwort von Jan:
Somehow all of this sounds illogical. In the sunshine? Since it was set to Minimum Aperture 5.6, Aperture, or even more closed.
If Aperture 8 and up are still plenty of CA would be yes, the optics for the Katz. Or will this once again plenty of exaggeration?
I guess most forums, like here or the synonymous DSLR forum, which is partly but there is losgetreten with CA & distortion is no longer normal. Interestingly, there photographing users with maximum Semicameras, very often private, pure professional photographers are rare in the forum.
There are above average margins left, in principle, almost all lenses except in the 3-4 tonne gekloppt, often 200-300% with the whole picture reviewed after the smallest errors.
That should not now go against the trunk - I appreciate it very much.
Good I can not give an accurate opinion on the XH A 1 - I've never filmed themselves with it - like the mass in the forums!
One must however say Canon L lenses (XH A 1), they no longer have the visual quality as before - or are significantly better than the rest When schägt photo area, for example, a new 70-300 IS 3,5-5, 6 Spectral compensation with very good against a altbetagtes 70-200 L f 4th It could be synonymous to the Canon L lenses are not quite on the HD has brought - but those are just my guesses hand when proboscis CA problem than really unbearable corroborated.
Leih dir from the camera, take proboscis presets for XH A 1 and test themselves in peace times
VG
Jan
Antwort von DocMAX:
I think the canon very good optics and produces, amongst other
synonymous in the h1 has installed. but the cost synonymous over 6500, --
So why is the comparative s.im so well equipped (visual & audio)
and it cost so much less than the competition (z1/v1/hvx/h1)?
any favorable component must be because it already.
gruß cj
Antwort von HeikoS:
Then look at google "H1" and "CA's" ;-)
When the A1, you came out in the network provides a tenor can be heard: "Hopefully, the chromatic aberration is not as bad as in the H1 .."
I think the canon very good optics and produces, amongst other
synonymous in the h1 has installed. but the cost synonymous over 6500, --
So why is the comparative s.im so well equipped (visual & audio)
and it cost so much less than the competition (z1/v1/hvx/h1)?
any favorable component must be because it already.
gruß cj
Antwort von DocMAX:
ups, in which I previously viewed material h1 garnicht
noticed ....
Perhaps this means nothing, since I s.der yes FX7 previously synonymous
not into the eye is cracked ....
or s.der s.fällt it more.
gruß cj
Antwort von DocMAX:
Actually, I had today before either the A1 or XH-FX7 to order. Yet I not done that. I miss the last crucial clue to be able to safely say: that's it.
I must confess, the more I am through the various forums, reports, tests and sample clips dig, the more indecisive I will.
At first I thought, wow, the XH-A1 I want. Many switches, even more options. Exactly right, to play to satisfy. They have good technology, a full HD Wide Angleund finally.
If I had my first encounter with the XH-A1 is the right money, I would have possibly a spontaneous purchase and would now presets screws or possibly just filming.
Then I discovered the FX7. A little cheaper, a little smaller, less weight, less Wide Angleund quite a few switches. I was with Sonybisher always very happy and came into the mystery.
Ideally, it would now both your camcorder to borrow and try. If not, this is no way in my region.
The XH-A1 Canon to advise the owner, the owner-FX7 to Sony. So far, so logical. Neither does his expensive purchase bad.
Then Wolfgang's
Blog
Doch genau diese Macken machen die Entscheidung so schwer, dabei hatte ich eigentlich gehofft, dass ich durch das Studium of Wolfgangs Blog leichter eine Entscheidung würde treffen können.
Ich hab mal meine persönlichen Pros and Kontras der beiden Camcorders aufgeschrieben. Vielleicht können die Besitzer der jeweiligen Camcorders ja helfen die Kontras zu eliminieren. Ich habe XLR nicht with auf dem Zettel, weil es mir nicht nicht primär auf diese Connections ankommt.
Canon XH-A1
Pro: Many manual intervention options (presets and switch on), very wide field, good Lowlight
Counterpoint: drive weaknesses, CA, displays
SonyFX7
Pro: less CA, better drive, better screen, lighter weight
Counterpoint: less wide, slightly worse in Lowlight, less manual intervention
If the cons of the Canon really so much in appearance, as some to read, then they actually speak clearly against the XH-A1 and more for the Sony.
Low CA and a drive without regular dropouts, and the Canon would be my favorite, but then I do not know if I was not with the Sony but would be happier.
I want to film and not have to constantly remember this or that situation to avoid in order not critical focal areas to come. Above all, I would at capturing not conclude that just a scene that never again can be reproduced by dropouts is destroyed.
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Antwort von ars2000:
Oops, forgot my login. The above dates of me.
Just another addendum. Have read that the drop-out problem of the XH-A1 may be created when capturing and not with the recording. Supposedly this would again capturing tape or by another player without the dropouts.
Can that be?
Antwort von Axel:
Basically, on the whole thread and the like: People, do not be mad. There are cameras only, no pacemaker. Each device has Pro and Contras. Where you or let it remain. Yard a coin. Be men. Or women.
Canon XH-A1
Pro: Many manual intervention options (presets and switch on), very wide field, good Lowlight
Counterpoint: drive weaknesses, CA, displays
SonyFX7
Pro: less CA, better drive, better screen, lighter weight
Counterpoint: less wide, slightly worse in Lowlight, less manual intervention Where it very well together. Additional Canon Pro: Higher resolution. Additional SonyPro: Probably more robust.
Just another addendum. Have read that the drop-out problem of the XH-A1 may be created when capturing and not with the recording. Supposedly this would again capturing tape or by another player without the dropouts.
Can that be? I do not think so. I have it in Final Cut Pro with something simpler than a friend of me with APP 2.0, where in the timeline, then something needs to be adapted, but I think with CS3 will work fine. And dropouts had the tape of my nearly two hours while the material does not synonymous. Is probably a question of bands.
I want to film and not have to constantly remember this or that situation to avoid in order not critical focal areas to come. Above all, I would at capturing not conclude that just a scene that never again can be reproduced by dropouts is destroyed. Dropouts as those with aspirin gastric bleeding: You
can occur, but with each cam. I had not been for 14 hours. Purchase you get the Sony, so you will succeed synonymous's shots against the sunlight, and then we also read here is not always the same Hecker.
Antwort von Waran:
Hello (I'm sitting s.nem foreign grad PC, logos net so I am a ... of Luxembourg),
So to the dropouts I've already written ... with me no problem until now ...
Due to the CA, in my opinion overrated. Yes, they come before and are sometimes visible synonymous. But if you know how to adjust his camera and with her around, then you can prevent the CA synonymous ... It is the film not just about the best camera setting / service, but synonymous Picture to the right to choose, etc. Then you can type the A1 is used as synonymous (synonymous weitwinklig) by the CA are not seen.
Antwort von Jan:
I do not want to confuse next, dropouts gabs with me after about 30 tapes are not yet at the FX 7 - and which one would immediately see in HDV!
Your camera comparison is correct.
VG
Jan
Antwort von ars2000:
Thus, the decision has been made. According to the eternal and her but it was synonymous time. I have ordered the
SonyFX7. The rash has most recently especially the problematic behavior of the drive to Canon, which is like a red thread through the camcorder forums pulls.
Bin mal gespannt, whether I use the switch and "gimmicks" of the Canon will be sorely missed.
I have just a 5 pack of Sony Premium Plus tapes of one of the expensive HDV tapes dazubestellt. Before I even now can determine what are your experiences with the Sony tapes, and it really makes sense on the expensive HDV tapes to?
Antwort von the machine:
I have just a 5 pack of Sony Premium Plus tapes of one of the expensive HDV tapes dazubestellt. Before I even now can determine what are your experiences with the Sony tapes, and it really makes sense on the expensive HDV tapes to? I would still have a great Sony HDV tapes must favorably. Was with my camera while ...
Oh and a Canon HDV tape (what in the package include the A1) I would still synonymous.
Offers s.mich:)
Antwort von Axel:
Thus, the decision has been made. According to the eternal and her but it was synonymous time. I have ordered the SonyFX7. Finally. Camera Camera is. If the FX7 bad thing one would know. Congratulations.
I have just a 5 pack of Sony Premium Plus tapes of one of the expensive HDV tapes dazubestellt. Before I even now can determine what are your experiences with the Sony tapes, and it really makes sense on the expensive HDV tapes to? I believe this must not be.
Antwort von Axel:
I have just a 5 pack of Sony Premium tapes of ... dazubestellt. Sorry, seen too late. The choice of camera is clear, my personal experiences with these bands is very bad. Also I had take a 5 pack of them, with a Sony camera. In the middle of the second band appeared in the "clean" symbol during a shoot. I had a cleaning cartridge there. Then I pushed third in cartridge, and the icon appeared in about half again. It was the first and only time that I've missed is turning.
At home, I cleaned the camera thoroughly. The two other tapes I wanted to give a colleague, but waved, because the stuff he synonymous ever had smeared their heads. As I threw it away.
Before I never had bad experiences with "Excellence", but after this story Sony tapes were generally written off for me. The corresponding thread rauszusuchen now, I have no desire, but there is, if I remember correctly, several relating to. Attempt to return these things.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) It was the first and only time that I've missed is turning. (...) Creepy. Was that a small, intimate filming or what major?
Antwort von Axel:
Nothing big. Second Camera for Bacardi disco film (Web). A wedding would be synonymous not great, but for me, something devastating. Mentally alone, the loss of face when others are on me. Is relatively large.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
good choice.
If you are not too many films Lowlight (or not lighting) you will not regret it. The FX 7 is simply a very equally balanced Camera without Spirenzchen. If you Tonaussteuerung not so often used, it will not alzu annoy you, then s.and to go into the menu. WAG, Shutter, Aperture, GAIN are within easy reach.
Picture profiles with their own self-image are synonymous Votes feasible, although not in the manual extent as in the XH 1 - but that few users need synonymous.
Yes I use the Fuji DVC normal (some 170 professionals with PD I know are convinced of synonymous), or the simple FE Panasonic cassette.
HDV tapes are inhumanly expensive, have a very good smoothness and a low Dropoutgefahr, I've been prevented for reasons of cost but only used 1-2 times. When I go shooting just 10-30 cassette on it quickly - I can seriously make clear the more expensive HDV tapes to buy - have not yet regretted.
Although most MiniDV cassettes worldwide ja eh from 2 plants should come, so build zb. TDK and Sony together, with Fuji Panasonic. Because you should understand the format war is not over assessed.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Realit:
I have this issue with interest, because I stand at a similar Enzscheidung. With the main field will be underwater, so I sound a secondary role may be to confess.
What has not been rated: CCD or CMOS? Or there's nothing to "evaluate"? And is the 3CCD technology really so much better than for example a CMOS in the SonyHVR-A1? My TRV 900 (3CCD) makes better images than the TRV11 - which in turn makes better pictures than a Pana GS 200 (3CCD).
LG Freddi
Antwort von Realit:
So the sony camcorder cmos 1chip in general have a weakness in
lowlight. there will be times fairly quickly a faceless mushy.
this happens when the cmos 3chip not FX7.
gruß cj
Antwort von ars2000:
Synonymous, I think that I am happy with the FX7 will. However one week wait before I can start. Now it just goes to Hamburg.
At the Sony tapes. I know it is so often and s.anderer place and much has been discussed plenty.
Currently, I wonder how much voodoo to the story is. I read that Sony tapes with SonyCams excellent work. I have on my SD camcorder Sonyand TDK tapes used, and never had problems with it. But that must mean nothing.
In an English-speaking forum I read that the Panasonic tapes "harder" to be, whatever that might mean, with such a thin tape and so in time for a wear and tear on the drum head would provide. Sony tapes were, however, "wet lubricated" and would smear the head drum.
Next three posts will be of zero problems with Sony tapes to SonyCamcordern reported. I even read of people who have problems with Sony tapes Canon camcorders use.
I believe, synonymous Wolfgang reported in his blog which the Sony tapes used to have problems.
Could it be that Sony tapes strong fluctuations in the quality there, and it is why some go wrong, and when others do not?
I think the prices for HDV tapes synonymous extreme. One test I still gegönnt.
What now for daily use to be, I know now, however, not more. But prefer the Panasonic tapes or Fuji DVC, which I have not had on the label?
What tapes to use as the FX7 user here in forum?
Antwort von Kinderbutt:
sony tapes.
premium for long recording sessions and interviews,
excellence for HDV or irretrievably ...
so far without problems.
what you should avoid changing the system.
gruß cj
Antwort von Leini:
What tapes to use as the FX7 user here in forum? SonyExcellence.
mfg
Leini
Antwort von FritzK:
Hello everybody. I'm going to get a synonymous HDV Camera to buy. From dieswm Basically, I had the company asked a CANON HDV Workschop for me to organize. AND it worked. The Vekaufsprofi brought everything with, we were able to extensively test for hours inside and outside.
What speaks against it, something similar to make and is a filmmaker who has FX1 and FX7, a filmmaker and his very well-A1 has a grip
meet, to hire me in the vicinity in a restaurant, and show what wiklich in the cameras is. Possibly synonymous with a demo movie kuzen.
I think it would be an interesting and informative thing to be. With the Canon workshop were filmmakers from the Tegernsee lake and even from Landau in the Westerwald come. I think we could be the petrol money for the "presenter" of the interested parties get together. It would be a great thing! For beamer, screen, etc. I would make. Room rent is not synonymous!
Greeting FritzK
Antwort von Axel:
Hello everybody. I'm going to get a synonymous HDV Camera to buy. From dieswm Basically, I had the company asked a CANON HDV Workschop for me to organize. AND it worked. The Vekaufsprofi brought everything with, we were able to extensively test for hours inside and outside.
What speaks against it, something similar to make and is a filmmaker who has FX1 and FX7, a filmmaker and his very well-A1 has a grip
meet, to hire me in the vicinity in a restaurant, and show what wiklich in the cameras is. Possibly synonymous with a demo movie kuzen.
I think it would be an interesting and informative thing to be. With the Canon workshop were filmmakers from the Tegernsee lake and even from Landau in the Westerwald come. I think we could be the petrol money for the "presenter" of the interested parties get together. It would be a great thing! For beamer, screen, etc. I would make. Room rent is not synonymous! That would certainly be better than just the basis of reviewers here in the forum to decide. That must be so is not necessarily synonymous in the Carpathians his. For those interested, it would be synonymous an opportunity to write a thread,
"Who in the room showing me his soandso FX7?"
Antwort von BananaDragon:
Were something like this in the greater Frankfurt synonymous, I would be very interested in it. Unfortunately I have not found Dealers, which is a Demo has let alone a rental is ready.
Antwort von PowerMac:
So many dealers can be synonymous and playing the trial & error. Some of MBF in Frankfurt.
Antwort von FritzK:
Hi, I had not synonymous but s.Dealers thought s.Kameramänner / women are permanently with the cams filming. I had "near me" because I have written pretty much in the middle of Germany live :-). The camera men / women should be synonymous species of Cams explain. Is certainly better than at the forums to read. The dealer or seller can not explain it anyway, because it's not every day in order to film and then evaluate the result.
So who has an interest? Where is no preference. Makes suggestions.
MfG
FritzK
Antwort von BananaDragon:
So many dealers can be synonymous and playing the trial & error. Some of MBF in Frankfurt. They were one of the first I've called and my question about the possibility of later, they have denied.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Perhaps a difference when a student calls and so acts as if he wanted to play.
He that lends often can synonymous throughout Kruscht extensively tested. Especially where there is clear, that one buys or nix synonymous only borrow what you do not have tested.
This brings us to the possibility of synonymous lending. If not a single dealer synonymous with just one touch of an unsold Camera wishes, then you can still against money-lending with a camera to borrow the desired camera and then test.
Antwort von BananaDragon:
I am not a student and have explicitly synonymous with a purchase motivation fallen expressed. Naja. How was the synonymous. Before I look at the Canon definitely I will buy me for a weekend rental.
Antwort von FritzK:
Hi, the dealer you have no chance to test both cams. Then yes, they are needed. Is halt only with "friends movie."
MfG
FritzK
Antwort von PowerMac:
There are, of course, exhibition equipment!
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Driving times to Teltec to Wiesbaden, as times can turn around and play when you consider the FX7 and the Canon side you'll probably see anyway for the Canon decide.
I assure you but you cool after a visit to the great Panasonic and Sony camcorder shoulder will be. Maybe even then you draw the short visit to a Korean liquor store in question;)
Antwort von Markus:
Driving times to Teltec in Wiesbaden ... ... so there must not buy. - Have a bad experience while ensuring the case made. : - /
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Do you closer to comment?
Times I would be interested. Wanted to a part of my equipment in which to buy because I pick up 12 months and the position of a replacement unit in case of warranty was appealing ...
Antwort von Markus:
Do you closer to comment? No, rather not. The thing for me is finished and I buy nothing more on this dealer.
The irony s.der thing is, however, that the concerned manufacturer warranty management s.Ende my case and recognized Teltec totally ridiculous for nothing did. * grins *
Antwort von ars2000:
Thanks of me again s.alle to me when buying helped. The FX7 camcorder has finally been delivered and my first impressions are very positive. I'm unfortunately not yet come to extensive testing.
