Frage von Chezus:
Will I buy a SonyPD 170 since I recommended a well-known this. I was to borrow of the Canon XM 2 discouraged because apparently the jack rather quickly.
Bought at the PD 170 is not synonymous valid reasons to buy it or is it only knew better cameras in the same price range?
Nice and slow I know I am not any more because I made each other, and I should as soon as possible, a need
Thanks for your tips ever
Antwort von PowerMac:
I personally can not stand the PD 170th I find many functions and controls are hidden behind fiddly switches and wheels. Synonymous bothers me the servo-Optics and the strong coupling of the top-heaviness of the camera. Especially with the WW-adapter that is urgently needed. The Panasonic DVX100 (the direct competitor to Sonyand in many Tets better) I can recommend more, as are the features and buttons where I expect it and m. M. ergonomically sensible.
For me, the handling is much more important than image quality, both in both cameras is similar in quality.
If you know little DV cameras do, hit hard with the handling of the PD 170, but if you "larger" art wont, my advice to the DVX or the Z1E, which in turn was next of Sonywirklich and later developed in terms of ergonomics Bedieunung into three classes plays.
Synonymous camera I know some people who would agree with me in terms of PD 170 and the DVX synonymous recommend. Of course, if the money goes, would be synonymous, the HVX makes sense. Immediately there are the blows of PD 170 Group!
Antwort von Chezus:
I put much value on criticism. S.so a camera so everything can not be perfect, and so far I've heard mostly positive reviews.
In this respect very helpful thanks.
Gibts contrast, the Panasonic matters which are generally negative, or it is generally recommend more than the Sony? What I've heard it will be better in the field manual. Flexible soz I personally have little experience with the manual functions.
HDV cams I will exclude pre-times then I like this course may upgrade your computer (1 gig of RAM is sufficient as to not cut) are more likely. As I said, my price range for the time being last.
Would you, the Canon XM 2 is now synonymous or entirely excluded from the price it is still here still in the race?
Antwort von Jan-Paul:
I can recommend synonymous s.meisten the DVX 100th Very good manual controls. Good pictures as Leica Optics. Good handling.
For me, one of the best MiniDV camcorder. Able to record as opposed to the progressive XM2 synonymous.
I have long with the XM1 rotated and fed up. The XL1 is not synonymous better. The XM2 I have only briefly rotated, because I can not say much.
If you are looking for a good long-DVX Camera'll get you the 100th You will have your pleasure.
The PD 170 does not know him. I once briefly with the PD 150 and rotated which I found pretty shit, and the images were not particularly well made in Comparison to the DVX 100th
Antwort von Markus:
Immediately there are the blows of PD 170 Group! Well, corporal? - With Panasonic and Sonysind the stock split as in no other Manufacturer and the user often so much of their tools that they rarely allow a different opinion with conviction.
Why do I frequently lately occupied times synonymous with Panasonic, is due to the fact that Sonybislang has nothing to offer adequate in the HD area. Consumer HDV format does not interest me, not synonymous with camcorders like the HVR-Z1. Panasonic's DVCProHD can score points even when significantly more.
But back to the actual topic of this thread: I have a PD170 and can the concerns which had raised the Panasonic Group, did not confirm in any score. On the contrary: I work at least as happy with my Sonywie Patrick (PowerMac) with his Panasonic.
On the positive side for the PD170 the solid build quality, durability of the alloy chassis, the reliability of the automatic modes, and not least that you can see on the hybrid LCD screen synonymous Sunlight a decent picture. - Negative, however, I think the LCD viewfinder and the position of Apperture control.
I think the bottom line is it makes no real difference whether you have a DVX or take a PD. I had opted for the PD170, not least because I am good with Sonybislang gone and since I already had a lot of accessories (Batteries, Chargers, etc.) that I could continue to result.
A comparison of both models the way, you can find here:
Help with buying a new camcorder (local links)
Chezus, in clarifying the question of what your camcorder you should buy you, if only two are in the race, you can be a very useful Equipment rental: both Camcorder loan you just made and test it in your environment. Then you find out quickly what you fancy visiting.
Will I buy a SonyPD 170 since I recommended a well-known this. I was to borrow of the Canon XM 2 discouraged because apparently the jack rather quickly. I guess the loan of the fuddeligen 3.5 mm Jack Chen is at best one more reason to switch to right XLR inputs. The major advantage lies in the symmetry of these connections, so that synonymous not long cable runs between Microphone and camcorder be a problem. ;-)
I once briefly with the PD 150 and rotated which I found pretty shit, and the images were not particularly well made in Comparison to the DVX 100th Was the s.Camcorders or s.Bediener? ;-)
Antwort von Jan-Paul:
Since I was an operator, I assume that it was s.Camcorders ...;)
Antwort von Chezus:
The Panasonic has indeed unlike Sonyden 25P mode.
Could that be the pertinent point of the Panasonic be final makes the better camera?
In short, like looking out your Conclusion?
As I said, in the manual area, I'm not as fit, but eventually I have to start synonymous times. Panasonic (with 25P) or Sonyof the (almost) everyone raves about.
borrow (is hard. Since I have you must run a little. And who I believe only the 170s)
Antwort von PowerMac:
The Panasonic has indeed unlike Sonyden 25P mode.
Could that be the pertinent point of the Panasonic be final makes the better camera? (...) Among others. Look at times dvxuser.com. THE Page with all the information about dvx, HVX, equipment, etc. 20,000 registered users and 700,000 posts. Strong community! You have the cameras, but try both! Or you ordered magazines with testing!
Antwort von Markus:
[25p] Could this be the pertinent point of the Panasonic be final makes the better camera? If you need 25p, then yes. If not, then obviously not. ;-)
borrow (is hard. Since I have you must run a little. And who I believe only the 170s) There are many lenders to a synonymous send the equipment, eg
Antwort von Chezus:
As I've written somewhere once I even got a weekend with the PD 170 rotated and I tried both the Panasonic and the Sonyand since has convinced me that Sony.
Apart from that it really was a bit top-heavy, has convinced me, especially the processing and the zoom ring.
My rationale is taking but now if I want the 170s or 150s. According to the benchmark, the two are indeed quite similar. Sound and picture quality seemed identical. Since my money, unfortunately, does not grow back and the Lotto jackpot is not synonymous to me now my question is: it pays to spend 300-400 euros more for the 170 or should I strike at the 150s as soon as I bekomm for 1800 euros or less?
I do not need is s.Gebrauchtgeräten soon as possible and the offers just outstanding.
Antwort von Chezus:
Just as the example. When would continue for 1800 Euro
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&item=300034841638&rd=1&sspagename=STRK% 3AMEWA% 3AIT & rd = 1
Antwort von Chezus:
Since the offer will expire soon, I'd be glad about a few tips. So opinions regarding my post above bissl next (on the brief)
Antwort von Chezus:
another 20 min.
would nice if someone could still make his (honest) opinion on
Antwort von Markus:
The auction on eBay running only 32 minutes ... But no hurry, buying a camcorder should be carefully considered, especially since even on eBay!
First a question: How well do you know yourself with camcorders (technically off)? Could you pick up the device and take a closer look at? Would you find smaller defects and examine everything in detail?
Regarding the test:
Council for Fast VX1000 eBay Purchase Regardless of which have taken place between the PD150 and 170 some changes: The 170 is a little brighter, the sound unit has been significantly improved and the Picture on the folding screen can be synonymous recognize in the Sun still good. As far as the things I s.The remember.
Learn more about this here:
http://www.film-tv-video.de/uploads/tx_ttnews/T_1203_DSR_PD170.pdfThe best download first and then open it locally. Otherwise, it takes longer.
