Frage von MADinP:
Hello,
I've been on this issue once again the finger wundgegoogelt, so now, my pretty stupid questions, here in the forum.
I recently got a Sennheiser MKE 300 bought used. The first recordings were, in comparison to the original microphone of my Sony camcorder, very good. I suppose on the K100 Microphone Adapter VMC Sonyauf because of my Sony Camera no input for an external microphone features.
Now came the frustration when I Testscenen on my computer had played.
- All recordings in MONO. --
Yes, I know that this is synonymous as described in the Datasheet of Sennheiser. Embarrassed as I am unfortunately not very familiar nowadays rely on the stereo microphones are standard. Had better times previously synonymous to the details should look. Well, thought wrong ....
When searching on the net, I am now, however, in two different versions of the MKE 300 encountered.
Once with 3.5 mm jack mono and stereo versions.
Are my searches right?
I've attached a few pictures to show the difference. If you look at the Jack closely you can tell the difference.
In the images we saw very clearly the difference of the plug. This was evident in a ring in the front area of the plug in mono and two rings at the stereo plug.
zum Bild zum Bild Now to my real question:
- Is it possible the MKE 300 to convert stereo jack?
- Has the MKE 300 can record in stereo?
- Are there opportunities in the editing program (Pinnacle in my case) in "stereo sound" to simulate?
Perhaps you've still other ideas how to solve my stereo could. I'm getting my s.Ende Latin.
Regards
MADinP
Antwort von Axel:
- Is it possible the MKE 300 to convert stereo jack? If you can do, it would serve no purpose, since
- Has the MKE 300 can record in stereo? No! You have a built-Stereomic, and you hear what it causes. Mono was the right decision.
- Are there opportunities in the editing program (Pinnacle in my case) in "stereo sound" to simulate? Pinnacle does not know, but the principle is this: You're a stereo project. That should be you, if you've done it right, two related audio tracks in the timeline view. But the Micro has only recorded the left lane. Now you do the following (depending on the program):
s.Du load your soundtrack to edit in the preview window. Then you set the balance control so that the sound coming from the direction where you want to have him. This is called "panning" and is the professional method, a single sound source in the stereo panorama to place.
b) You copy the left channel on the right. Then you have mono, because now on the two channels is the same. What will be the, I do not synonymous, but some swear by it.
Antwort von MADinP:
Hello Axel,
boa eh, but it was time a turbo response. Thank you very much.
Now I have but a few questions.
- In the first section in which you write me zitierst You:
"If you can do, it would serve no purpose, because ..." then stops!
Why would not it bring?
- For my recordings, mostly my children and family stories, I really wanted a good sound on both channels without much editing in the editing program. Sometimes I am overwhelmed already the images to be cut correctly. Now, I must still synonymous note the sound separately?
- No idea whether this is the professional way is a mono signal in stereo to split. But if I have understood you correctly then this is the common practice!
Perhaps you have here is more information about times?
- Yet what, I had almost forgotten!
- Whether the white people of VMC K100 Sony has its own power, synonymous to other microphones, such as the earwig 2 adapter?
- What is the opinion of the earwig II - Microphone?
Greeting MADinP
Antwort von robbie:
- In the first section in which you write me zitierst You:
"If you can do, it would serve no purpose, because ..." then stops!
Why would not it bring?
Because it remains nevertheless a mono.
- For my recordings, mostly my children and family stories, I really wanted a good sound on both channels without much editing in the editing program. Sometimes I am overwhelmed already the images to be cut correctly. Now, I must still synonymous note the sound separately?
No.. You must make s.Sound nothing special, only on two tracks sound the same basket.
- No idea whether this is the professional way is a mono signal in stereo to split. But if I have understood you correctly then this is the common practice!
Perhaps you have here is more information about times?
Yes, this is the professional process.
Also, all news broadcasts you see on TV is mono, and the contributions the same way (type of problem solving) processes.
Professional cameras have internal draw up to 4 tracks on. Whereof each track is a mono and with the different microphones is used. The tracks here are often not defined with Left or Right, but numbered. The cutter then mixes the required tracks to a track together. This is a mono signal, suggesting the two channels (now defined as links and right) one. You hear both channels on the same sound, so it is all mono.
- Yet what, I had almost forgotten!
- Whether the white people of VMC K100 Sony has its own power, synonymous to other microphones, such as the earwig 2 adapter?
I am not an ...
- What is the opinion of the earwig II - Microphone?
Kenn ich nicht.
Antwort von MADinP:
Thanks for the reply robbie. Now I am a bit wiser.
I have now with my editing program a little more apart and have the "Mono problem solve on the way you described it to me.
Is synonymous actually very reasonable, if you just change the plug not the same receives a stereo microphone. Where is the second channel are synonymous?! Was a silly question ....
Schade is now but still the man no longer has a real stereo. Know me not so good, but if you watch the recordings in which the sound through a surround system to the stereo effect is rather then being addressed?
Thanks for the great answers.
Greeting MADinP
Antwort von Maik:
Schade is now but still the man no longer has a real stereo. Bridge in the Male solder (spitze to ring center) ...
Dual-mono = 'stereo' (if that means that both channels have a signal)
MKE was needed?
Mine was the beginning of s.doppelt documented.
Maybe it jmd reworked for the second channel for something else
to use ...
M.
Antwort von Gast4:
The current MKE300 has an angle stereo connector = mono signal to left and right channels laid; is probably an old model that you've caught. With a little skill you can solder on a stereo plug. I would take: NEUTRIK NTP3RC-B, at Thomann Artikelnr. 167468, is also an angle connector. However, you must be careful when stripping, etc., the MKE-cable is very delicate for a micro-cable. To a good bend to get protection, I would at the beginning part of the cable nor a shrink tube condenser.
The VMCK100 adapter provides a so-called plug-in power for the condenser microphone, according to my measurements 2.4 volts. Could the catchy enough, although W. Winne 9 Volt recommends, according to record maximum sound; children with normal O-rich tones probably 2.4 volts. But to be sure, I would ask WW.
After my tests a very good stereo Microphone for Active Interface Shoe (then you will need the adapter) is the SonyECM-HST1 in 90-degree setting. Even good directional characteristics, but it is nice stereo sound, and much better than the built-Micro. If supplied with Fellwindschutz so synonymous shooting in low to medium wind without wind noise are possible. In Germany, not cheap, mine was recently in an eBay store in the U.S. for about EUR 80 new related problems. I would advise against the SonyECM-HGZ1 Gun Zoom Micro, very, very thin and only mono sound.
Antwort von Gast4:
Addendum: If you have a stereo plug with ring signal s.Tip and soldered, then the signal from the Micro Mono of course, it is only equal on both channels of the Cam, so that you are editing in the program no more extra to the sound need to worry about .
Antwort von levis0208:
These are very useful information, thank you.
I have all the ding SonyECM-HST1 been able to test and with the sound was not very happy. I had the Sennheiser MKE 300 is also on eBay at a very attractive purchase price.
Advantage:
- The sound and the effect is indicative of a microphone this price range very well.
- Much Better than the built in Microphone.
- Even with the weight is approximately 60g very easily, in my opinion.
Disadvantage:
- The Micro is quite long, which is quite small on my Sony camcorder power far beyond the hinausragte Lens.
(So I have a Coldshoe with extension to the rear of the adapter screwed by this "estätische problem to solve)
- The camera has become unwieldy.
- If you forget the micro anzuschalten one has no sound.
By Umlöten me, I must again go through your head, because I am now in my editing program the settings found in stereo to mono to split.
My reasoning zuzulegen the earwig is not yet complete, since one always to record only the condenser must Headphones. I think that taking pictures in the family life to be too cumbersome.
(Note irony) - And a dummy head I do not really like to install my adapter ...
Fun aside.
The sound examples which I could already hear are very tempting and just have a look at the plant Sourround I imagine the very tingly before ...
Maybe one or the other is even more ideas, or more tips for Sennheiser MKE 300!
Greeting MADinP
Antwort von MADinP:
Hello again,
now have the Sennheiser MKE 300 with a stereo jack connected.
Result: Exactly what I wanted to have. It worked equally on the first try. Only the solder on was how Gast4 already said, very delicately and with my 400-year-old soldering iron and a real challenge.
Nevertheless, super sound on both channels with the same directional effect as before.
Was synonymous not only to be expected, with the advantage that I now no longer to extra distribution in the stereo editing program must take care.
I know that this approach for many filmmakers do grauselig be, but for my family clips is more than sufficient.
Unlike the original microphones built my SonyDCR-HC90E is the sound of the classes Sennheisermikrofons simply better.
As far as the catchy, I have contact with Wolfgang Winne recorded and no hour later I had an answer of him.
Even my rather amateur questions without irony, he and super precise answer, so I am now a catchy for my growth will Atmoaufnahmen.
I think I am with my MKE 300 and the earwig'm equipped for someone only in their spare time filming.
Thank you for giving me s.alle idea was to help
Greeting
MADinP
Antwort von Axel:
Congratulations. Why should someone horror? If you are still missing Atmo dazumischst, maybe you'll still sound great to the inventors. An often looked somewhat neglected area, the Videoton. It can be many amateur videos rather dumb view, so the sound is awful, actually mostly noise.
Antwort von WINner:
The earwig can only recommend.
But you've been right: in practice is something Fummel and not for things that you just shoot from the hip.
This is the sound dimensions to better than any built in mic.
Forget to order the windscreen not.
Without outside klappts not.
Antwort von MADinP:
I am very excited about the catchy and well so hope to cope.
Nevertheless, when I introduce myself in any holiday destination, or much worse in my home with the catchy and the windshield to the ears through the area to run, then comes over me a slight smile.
In winter, I would still like me yes, but not so.
I think that Wolfgang Winne in the testing of the windshield a lot of time invested, so that I believe no better solution to be found.
Would like but not with those on the ear Puscheln be seen.
@ Maik:
My MKE 300 was not reworked. In any case, the joints were not made. I think it was so original.
I have not synonymous but are soldered bridge the micro and aufgeschraubt directly on the board the wires soldered. I was somehow better. So I had the possibility of the cable cut again synonymous. Have me for the same eventualities but a 1-meter extension cable gebastelt.
Greeting MADinP
Antwort von Maik:
@ Maik:
My MKE 300 was not reworked. In any case, the joints were not made. I think it was so original. I had not seen that there are 2 versions of MKE with mono / stereo jack
existed.
The way is your way in no grauselig: almost 90%
from the recorded sound is mono. The first time that I, as Tonmann
Stereo sound was made recently for a report at the NDR.
As was the Steremikro but synonymous only in certain situations
(Music, spatial Atmos) for interviews and most O-Tones
absolutely unusable. To the Camera, the mixed and fishing
Sound mostly Ch2 (right) laid the Ch1 micro camera on automatic
(if the external sound times should fail). Ch1 is cut away
CH2 and duplicated. Unfortunately, most of the channels are not Consumercams
separated (ie plug and inserted the micro camera is dead).
As I said before the brief was the first time that stereo was required
in the 6 or 7 years years now, I do sound.
Gruß,
M.
Antwort von MADinP:
Hi Maik,
meanwhile, I have a little input into the matter and am amazed what expenses you need to drive s.einen good sound to come.
It is really spoils of Film and Television. Synonymous was one reason why I've upgraded a bit in terms of sound, but what my lenses synonymous concerns. But now I have to slow down a bit, because when you first smell Lunte has it's hard not better the next and so often synonymous next to more expensive product. And already there at some point the woman with the rolling pin behind the door. :-)
However, I think my solution, mono on both channels, just comfortable enough and since I am not synonymous nor the distribution of the channels will be.
The first results are really great and even my wife noticed the difference immediately.
When you consider the most shots with me in advance but no plans are made out of Situaiton arise, it must sometimes quickly. The more I s.der Camera Gefriemel have more control, I must synonymous.
The only thing I have created, I have a small Steadycam-Tripod. I absolutely needed because we are a lot with a bike or on foot. Since her recordings are synonymous with the camera view midway rides.
So, thank you again s.alle for the very helpful comments and suggestions.
See you soon again
Greeting
MADinP
Antwort von Peter06:
Everything was already there ...
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http://www.hc96.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=42
I recommend the same catchy with windscreens and expanderbox to buy.
yes, the VMC-K100 delivers 2.4 volts.
there is a successor of mke300 (which already is a bit old) - the mke400.
synonymous a good alternative: rode ntg2.
Antwort von mikroguenni:
there is a successor of mke300 (which already is a bit old) - the mke400.
not yet, but soon - and with stereo jack.
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm.nsf/root/press_aktuell_press_release_05.05.2007
The MKE 300 is s.Werk always delivered with mono jack.
Greeting Mikroguenni
Antwort von Maik:
The MKE 300 is s.Werk always delivered with mono jack.
Nope.
Mine was the beginning of s.Stereoklinke with a bridge between tip and ring ...
M.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
I had a test today again and it was a little surprised.
I have the mono MKE 300 (I never noticed), so the angled with the times.
Then times like Canon HV 20 & SonyFX 7, MKE 300 and a header Phones caught.
Now comes the surprise, Canon HV 20 has a level and displayed on the Headphones only one channel output.
With the same Micro & Headphones when FX was strangely 7
soundtracks on both a signal of synonymous Headphones beschallt has two sides.
The Panasonic GS 500, I no longer here, if I remember I've synonymous Level 2 and a stereo sound s.Headphones belongs.
There must be synonymous but somehow connected with the Camera ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Markus:
With the same Micro & Headphones when FX was strangely 7 on both soundtracks a signal of synonymous Headphones beschallt has two sides. [...] There must be but somehow synonymous with the Camera connected ... This experience, I could already make synonymous. Sony camcorder (at least those of the higher classes) as well have a special feature in the use of microphones with mono jack.
Antwort von Maik:
With the same Micro & Headphones when FX was strangely 7 on both soundtracks a signal of synonymous Headphones beschallt has two sides. [...] There must be but somehow synonymous with the Camera connected ...
This experience, I could already make synonymous. Sony camcorder (at least those of the higher classes) as well have a special feature in the use of microphones with mono jack. No clue how that is with the FX1,
But in the Z1 is in the menu settings that either the signal of
Ch1 to Ch2 is duplicated (use with a micro), or both channels
separately (2 mics).
M.
Antwort von Markus:
... in the Z1 is in the menu settings ... It is purely to consumer camcorder with asymmetrical jack connection. That is the way in XLR audio inputs can choose, it should actually belong to the basic equipment.
Antwort von Maik:
... in the Z1 is in the menu settings ...
It is purely to consumer camcorder with asymmetrical jack connection. That is the way in XLR audio inputs can choose, it should actually belong to the basic equipment. Yes, but behind my posting was the question of whether the FX1 is not coincidental
synonymous as a function offering. Whole-so far-fetched, it would not.
M.
Antwort von Axel:
I have a problem in understanding this matter. Maybe you can help me. A mono-directional microphone receives not somehow split information. One channel is enough to everything aufzuzeichen. It has a second channel, possibly to a stereo signal (split in L, R) record, but with a different Microphone for a second or Mono Microphone or a mixer.
Why someone wants to during the recording channel 1 on channel 2 duplicate? What does this bring? Is seems clear that in this way is not a stereo draus.
Antwort von Maik:
Is seems clear that in this way is not a stereo draus. That is not synonymous stereo.
It is said to double mono.
Serves only to show that the signal on both channels and it is not
channel is always the one hand, on average, on the second channel to duplicate
needs.
Usually channel 1 with the internal micro camera used (for emergencies,
micro-camera because the sound is usually dirty with noise) and channel 2
with fishing and gepegeltem clean sound.
M.
Antwort von UFOhunter:
Why someone wants to during the recording channel 1 on channel 2 duplicate? No, but it "saves" the duplicate of the channel at the intersection. And I suppose at times that the cut in programs like Pinnacle are not so easily can.
As I said, think in Consumer zusammengehörendem L and R, prosumer and professionals in separate CH 1, CH2, ... But what the cameras are so synonymous pretend.
Antwort von robbie:
That was me ...
Antwort von Maik:
As I said, think in Consumer zusammengehörendem L and R, prosumer and professionals in separate CH 1, CH2, ... But what the cameras are so synonymous pretend. + CH 3 and CH 4th ..
DigiBeta or IMX with 4-channel audio.
Since then tonmässig anything but exhausted.
M.
Antwort von Axel:
That is not synonymous stereo.
It is said to double mono.
Serves only to show that the signal on both channels and it is not
channel is always the one hand, on average, on the second channel to duplicate
needs. Why must we do this? Robbie wrote next top:
Yes, this is the professional process.
Also, all news broadcasts you see on TV is mono, and the contributions the same way (type of problem solving) processes.
Professional cameras have internal draw up to 4 tracks on. Whereof each track is a mono and with the different microphones is used. The tracks here are often not defined with Left or Right, but numbered. The cutter then mixes the required tracks to a track together. This is a mono signal, suggesting the two channels (now defined as links and right) one. You hear both channels on the same sound, so it is all mono. What bothers me left or right channel when the finished film will be in mono? I can then just as well or even very comfortable s.Schluss everything as a mono reduced. The comes to stereo equipment from two speakers.
I, however, my film to be presented in stereo (or surround times not to mention), I must rethink.
Is it me, for example, in a stereo project, all the voice recordings and individual events (Türschlagen, steps, past driving car) in mono and just to have music and atmosphere in stereo, I can s.Schluß all mono summed without me previously to L or R trouble. I am not. I mix not synonymous in the NLE.
Antwort von UFOhunter:
As I said, think in Consumer zusammengehörendem L and R, prosumer and professionals in separate CH 1, CH2, ... But what the cameras are so synonymous pretend.
+ CH 3 and CH 4th ..
DigiBeta or IMX with 4-channel audio.
Since then tonmässig anything but exhausted.
M. No ... eg, HDCAM SR up to 12;)
Solo s.der Camera rich in normal case, the 4 tracks from wonderful. For larger stuff I usually use the following configuration: 1 Funkmic 1, 2 Funkmic 2, 3 directional cucumber, 4 Atmo ... because you have a nice choice ..
Antwort von robbie:
Sakra ... what did the Auto Login? well, no preference ..
Why do you duplicate the channel? Because for a stereo - Television then only the sound of Links to come. That would be unusual, so dear to both sides the same, ie mono. The left lane MUST (should) always Mono - be compatible, if someone only a mono - Television has.
If you did everything in mono, except the music, for example, then it is quite good times. Yes you can in your editing program to change the balance now. From each Effect and Sound, as dus want. The final result is now stereo.
Basically, you can issue the stereo so simplify stereo are at least two consecutive mono - Signals.
A professional stereo - microphone arrangement is synonymous from 2 mono - microphone.
Antwort von Maik:
A professional stereo - microphone arrangement is synonymous from 2 mono - microphone. ... and Dolby Digital 7.x Schiessmichtot
from 5 or 7-mono microphones
(or the plight of ordinary 2Kanalton with a little extra Atmo
and noise zusammengebastelt).
This means in principle (greatly simplified):
'Mono' Soundtrack = 1, 1 Speaker
'Stereo' = 2 soundtracks, 2 speakers
5.1 = 5 soundtracks, 5 speakers
etcetc.
Only one no more and no less.
(I suggest the changes that are in true stereo and
at 5.1 are made to feel the sound to change)
It always says that with a new high-tech sounding names
synonymous entirely new systems have been invented. Is not so.
4 - channel, there's already in the'70ern: quadrophonic
Back to Video:
We will broadcast for a Master 2 - channel requires
Links to the original sound of the main mix, the so-called IT right mix
International Exploitation without commentary, voice-over, etc.
For the broadcast channel 1 will be duplicated and can be heard on both speakers
from the home unit with top Spitzendeckchen something.
Stereo is still not
because there's magazine in the program next to some items
the small icon with two rings: the stand for stereo,
and only then sent synonymous stereo ;-)
(ie level and duration difference of two mono a sound image
which generates a spatial hearing should provide).
M.
Antwort von Axel:
... and Dolby Digital 7.x Schiessmichtot
from 5 or 7-mono microphones
(or the plight of ordinary 2Kanalton with a little extra Atmo
and noise zusammengebastelt). Not "to need". I wanted to also. Good stereo, of course, from two channels, but during the processing of many traces, in which stereo and Monoaufnahmen be mixed and balanced. As for example in stereo movie does not work (due to the unfavorable distribution of seats), there was until the late 80's only mono audio, or 70mm films (approx. 1%) 6-channel surround. For 5.1 will never be other than mono microphones used. A good mix, no preference whether mono, stereo or surround, reached only those who in all his NLE Tonevents (Language, sounds, effects) as a separate mono tracks and exported in a suitable program with Atmo and Music mixes. The fact that this effort is not the norm for amateur holiday movies, and for news coverage on television are not synonymous, it is clear to me. The fact is that for a mixture vielspurige an occupancy of the mono sound on "L" is completely irrelevant.
Antwort von Randoms:
Hello,
Now came the frustration when I Testscenen on my computer had played.
- All recordings in MONO. --
MADinP So, the MKE 300 is a mono Richmikrofon, quite incidentally, and for this price and voice recordings for even very good!
As I said, a directional microphone, and that's good, because with a directional microphone is not right and left, but only forward, forward, or not!
Very easy.
A stereo microphone has a very different sense, and serves a purpose other than those directional microphones.
The problem described in the editing program you do not dissolve in which you solder the finger at "verbruzzelst", or panning and you copy into the next track method. You can have the audio object in the editing program MONO option and thus you have with 1-2 mouse clicks, your signal, both right and left of the channels.
Very Easy
Antwort von MADinP:
You can have the audio object in the editing program MONO option and thus you have with 1-2 mouse clicks, your signal, both right and left of the channels.
Very Easy Hi Random,
it sounds very good and easy, but in my version (V.9.2) of Pinnacle Studio Pros, does not everything. I have now discovered that this version is synonymous with a surround sound "simulate" can, but this must, after payment of a fee, will be released. This I simply by umlöten saved. Even if it only goes to 30 euros.
It is really very confusing, since I am a little bit with the sound of how extensive and difficult it is a professional sound to get.
But for my needs, it is completely off, as I now practice. I have many recordings for the micro-directional and out again and the earwig. For me, everything must be just to go fast. At Camera, Sound s.and los gehts. Hobby just ...
Greeting MADINP
