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Shootout: 35mm film, RED, EX3, HVX200, D90, 5D Mark II and many of rob - 11 Dec 2008 13:24:00
What a spectacular effort: 35mm film, RED, HVX200, HPX170, HPX3000, SonyEX3, Nikon D90, Canon 5D Mark II, Ultimate and Elite Letus35 DOF adapter, Micro RedRock compared uswurden - result: "They all look good in skilled hands ". Well, still an interesting video ...

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Antwort von weitwinkel:

35mm is still s.besten from ...
but the hpx170 is not so bad ...
Vimeo s.format of lies?
gruß cj



Antwort von WideScreen:

Tja. That is so content via an Internet stream is difficult to assess. Actually, not at all. This requires einens referenz Monitors and the original files. Think you could be any Camera hintrimmen the LowRes pictures all look exactly the same .....



Antwort von baerenbold:

The chatter has long on self-evident if you had to save and doing it with the test design should be detailed pictures.
Of course they found the RED really great, even though the pictures were not so special.
Disappointing the 3 sequences with the intentions-Optics, a "35 mm look" should simulate.
But the two synonymous DSLR scenes I found anything but convincing.
Surprise for me was that the two small Panasonic models did quite ordinary images, the EX with the match could be 3.
Nonetheless - a real test is different!



Antwort von Valentino:

Another addition to the 35mm, it was with an ARRI 35III at Vision3 rotated.
When RED surprise me very much why not the same as in the Optics ARRI used. The high-speed 50mm Aperture 1.2 on a 4 is certainly better than the 1.4 photo optics with open aperture.
I can baerenbold synonymous only then that is what we in the D5 II get to see has garkeine drawing more into the shadows and looks as if someone had strong s.Gama rotated. The D90 is even more like Internet video from a webcam and is totally opaque.
Sure the Panasonic to see how it is already of the first Varicam knows very well, but the picture is just the HPX170 on the big screen look a bit rough. The HPX3000 is synonymous with DigiPrimes herraus more determined to get an HDCAM and 900 is almost the same result Leifer. Unique price performance king is still unbeaten, the EX3.



Antwort von Zizi:

naja film is also much the most beautiful .. berg then go off!
The DSLR convince me to the depth did not!



Antwort von Meisterign:

Why does the RED so blurred out?



Antwort von Valentino:

"Meisterign" wrote: Why does the RED so blurred out?
As I said, I have wondered synonymous but, my guess is the Auflagemas not set correctly, or else what is wrong in this test.



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

404ERR






Antwort von troXstudios:

For me, synonymous rather dilletantisch the test ... and what struck me at all "DSLR Video" contributions so surprised that there is no word on handling lost and Handling: I can not really imagine that when the typical DSLR shape without stabilization system (Steadycam, etc.) to make good recordings can (except of course static shots or from panning tripod)!

It's not some of that most semi-pro camcorders have a similar form ... elongated design, handhold on the camera, Swivel display, etc.

The theme of the big screen, although this test s.Anfang briefly addressed, but one learns s.Schluss yes but then nothing about this ... it would be just as much but the differences striking out!



Antwort von BlackSunRising:

So I find it rather interesting how close a photographic camera with video mode as Nice feature to have but then comes a Varicam. If you consider it only about 10% of the price and cost of the video mode only "incidentally feature", it is surprising that only about 30% 40% worse. I think if they are on video would have been optimized and not on Still Image, it could be the same price a lot more out here. But it shows what really Technical and price possible, and brings me to the idea that the major "player" in the field not once again miss many innovations, or led their performance too much money demand.
An interesting test of the Canon Mark II is here, incidentally.





Antwort von Zizi:

That is everywhere!
For a little more, you pay a fortune always more!
Think about times s.DSLR Lenses ¬ 400 where a part only minimal optical mostly poor is like a 4000 ¬ Lens!
or Mercedes-Benz and Bentley, etc. ..
Mass production makes it possible!



Antwort von B.DeKid:

;-)

My favorite this year

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Antwort von Zizi:

Yes because I'll give you quite .. but in most cases the differences are between 400 and 4000 ¬ Lenses not 10x better!
if ever dan max. 2x!
I must honestly say that I often notice the differences garnicht!
Only if you really extreme detail magnifications makes dan schon!
And times when I think about what you all for 4000 ¬ I get horizontal on the head and think how crazy I must be a (hobby) to buy something!
Your example is not exactly comparable .. Also buys something only a madman or Bill Gates!
And just in the video mode of the 5D (1920x1080) would have a ¬ 500-1000 Lens full resolution gältung to bring?



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Zizi Clearly the differences are often minimal.

I possessed as Canon USM L IS Lenses as you notice the little differences. (... except for times of the Color abgesehn, this was once said to me the Tele mostly white cannon, which they are exposed to sun radiation, see eg. sports, not so fast warm up, sounded somehow logical)

I can so nothing bad to say USM lenses. In most situations, it even figures Apertures not really a difference that it is "umbedingt" warrants, to the more expensive models have to go.

...........

Bzgl. Video mode of the 5D MarkII Lens series and what there is right now, I can still say nothing.
Clear but should probably be a large diameter lens is often crucial for 'Lowlight' behavior.

...........

Bzgl. your very bold statement that only a madman or Bill Gates, the SIGMA provides ..... well, so in your campaign against MAC, I just thought the shower so Bill Lens treat, does not it? But yes, he has no MAC synonymous daheim stand. ;-)

Why, though, animal and sports photographers are compared with err I do not quite understand? Perhaps Du passt da times your statements / language style a bit, it's not really good in certain circles.
(Yes I go out and not synonymous call my carpenter because he is an idiot FESTO BOSCH used instead ;-))

I think you are not really aware of what is "standard" press (sports / animal) as a photographer with the drags. As can be seen one or the other car of the Equitment.
It is also unlikely Sigma Lens as a LUXURY this item on the market, but something is thought.

............

But as I said it is holding a monster and synonymous only for certain things to use. But the test reports and presented photographs to show potential already.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: At least we can with this lens, the next moon landing live film / photograph;-P



Antwort von Zizi:

I thought the s hobby photographer mistaken would be to get a ¬ 25,000 to buy Lens!
For professionals and professional photographers, the thing certainly a reason to exist .. although I assume that this loan rather than sold!
So please Lens for a BMW 3 Series price .. every "normal" Photographer of the money earned has not yet really be mistaken for sovielgeld Internet today!
In any case, I doubt the man with the 500mm next lunar landing could take pictures!
This would Entfenung you already have a high tech Nasa Image Stabilization and a Sigma Lens 10.000mm is not even Bill could afford!
I am still of the opinion that too much money in Lenses gepulfert where the buyer is too much better picture for the price too!
A friend of me has the price of its EOS 40D with the lens about 10-fold excess .. the pictures are not beautiful have become synonymous as before where he just had scherben drauf .. only slightly sharpener.
But ¬ 10,000 for little more sharpness is for a hobby photographer in my eyes stupid!
Also gehts ja ums profile and not the technology!
When I look what many people with a 100 ¬ clippers geile remains for me pictures of the respiratory wake!
What is a magazine photographer of GEO, etc. gets sent back is something else ..
The make with the photos so big stores!



Antwort von B.DeKid:

** OT **

Now we come closer to the case already :-)

Yes as a hobby photographer, this is really a bit too ambitious. Although a lot of my hobby Poser are known, with the various tools to splurge then so mad at the muzzle to fall.
(The MTB can even literally)

These people, however, there will always and everywhere play. But they have synonymous, so if you have the necessary money so the right to buy what you want. Called then, I believe, free market economy --
(I may be chen people then yes something synonymous sale. That way, as synonymous with MAC and PC ;-))

Whether the aforementioned Lens gets borrowed depends on the application (place) s.denk I malund who you are.

What Lenses expensive is probably the glass / the glasses, and their arrangement, etc.
But particularly synonymous real "film camera" Lenses are very expensive - since it is not surprising if one poor ordinary citizens as times looks over the edge.

If I know of can Lenses Zeiss, Schneider Kreuznach and etc. 2 / 3 "or PL Mount area synonymous loose the 10 000 + border. (Perhaps here is one that I can confirm there s.Hand a price list, sample or etc.?)

I persl. I even believe that it is almost always the Optics is the criterion of quality s.einer Camera.
(Why ask now people after Nikkor optics (to EOS adapter) for the 5D MKII)

But we must not forget so synonymous Lenses actually the "eternal" hold to buy something what you s.verschiedenen models, among others (reception box) in the coming years can use.
Thus divide the price by 10 times and Combs to 2500 per year. That would be sold zB.ca 10 images per year for www.lumas.de
(I now look at the commission for about 10 images of 100 edition of the Motives DinA0 deducted the Lumas Tribune.)
So you can already pay Camera Equitment reckon aka JUSTIFYING ;-)

Even the one or other hunters Erlkoenig would be happy with it at the game to take.
(For those who do not know what that is a Erlkoenig, the new car prototypes, if there already Cars of the speech was)

.....................................

The film with the moon was only in connection with a factor of x7 expected in the video with external lenses s.der as Canon XL Series occurs. And of course in relation to "filmed the" moon landing theory - as a quasi-joke about sehn ;-)
(Goods actually MAC PC od s the moon landing calculated ;-))
.....................................

But basically I think you understand - Zizi.
It is synonymous to me against the grain in the one half of the world, bought expensive everything is, and the remainder of Page starves. Man persl. must not participate s.Konsum, or?
But here in the forum gehts halt mostly amateur and semi - PRO Technology / Softwear / needs, as bringing your bulleted / comparisons / calculations, often fluctuate in the boat.
And not everyone here is because he or buys or uses / prefers a madman / idiot / idiot or "Fanboy". Do it right?
(Even if you are quite often right then I wanted to note the times.)

Think that if everyone here is aware of this, it might be quite good here with each other things. ;-)

So now's my time again because of OT, which of course I want to apologize.
Now you can with the "interesting" Comparison of different cameras go next ;-)

Alla wünsch what ....

MfG
B. DeKid


@ Admins, yes you can my night off dialogue with Zizi and a "What can Lenses cost" thread made of it.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"B. DeKid" wrote: ... Unless I am aware of can Lenses Zeiss, Schneider Kreuznach and etc. 2 / 3 "or PL Mount area synonymous loose the 10 000 + border ...
True, but the emphasis is on "+" 10,000 euros ;-) there are still nearly a moderate amount. Representing many optics, only two examples (all prices MSRP):
Fujinon HA13x4, 5BERD48B (2 / 3 "HD-Wide): 31,200 euros
Canon HJ40x14B IASD (2 / 3 "HD Tele-Optics): 77.000 Euro
Very good contribution, incidentally, B. DeKid!






Antwort von B.DeKid:

Thanks Bernd. for examples.

............

Have a question regarding times of Lenses (; seem Wide Anglezu be) when I s.Legend "www.imdb.com/title/tt0480249/ in the Making Of are to be seen.

Can someone?

For it is in my eyes the greatest Lenses I ever came face?

Thank you

MfG

B. DeKid



Antwort von sirus:

hey, I film shorts and I am interested in the 35mm look.
even if the test video markII in too much contrast, or the red is blurred, but this is totally no preference. both are very very very very good cameras and they both are not bad pictures, or shoot too much contrast, or blurred.

ex3 clear price / performance king? even the ex1, the ex3 in this sense and the DOF is not really do anything with the mark 3 times cheaper to verlgeichen II. So what can the EX3 be better? handling. synonymous, but because you lack the follow focus. So do you buy of the redrock shoulder part and have half the money spent and 35mm objective and 35mm tiefenschärfe. händling of the mark II is just bad because it's not the elongated form of film cameras, what the building stabiltät lend. nikon lenses with a corresponding shoulder and partially adapters on a tripod or dolly filming the mark but is clearly better than the EX1 or 3 besides that, you have all the objective you have to buy the Mark II for many years yet still need it (and since they might need later) where you each hold a small adapter ring buy. the ex1 or 3 in 2 years is completely aaaalt! None wants to be and more. during which a MARK II already shoots great pictures and you both optics on a 35mm adapter, or a successor to it. with the EX1, you can not do that, then that is simply not worth more. and the ex3 is my opinion not worth the price .. if somebody uses interchangeable lenses are better than the lens, which he has on the EX3 draufhat, then borrow it for the revolving always better to use a red because of the optics is in wonderful but too bad the camera.
especially the investment in nikon lenses but what is good, but for the time should be quite favorable to have his. So I agree for the mark II and apart of videos so that you can seemingly synonymous make great photos, I've heard.



Antwort von actaion:

see the two DSLR with distance from s.schlechtesten. Above all, the Canon Mark II ...



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote: ;-)

My favorite this year



Sigma EX 2.8 / 200-500mm APO DG

For about EUR 25 000 is a real monster

weighs 15.7 KG consistently 2.8 Aperture 72cm long with adapter, there are 400-1000mm 5.6 ;-)

The times s.eine Video Camera screws;-p

MfG
B. DeKid

PS. Good optics bring something more than the 400 Euros "Outland" ;-)
Bie video of benefits is hardly expensive optics .. quite the contrary!
They are hardly worth its price .. there is only light is the important and often with mass manufacturers such as Tamron and Sigma fairly cheap to get!
Hab ketzte weeks times with the same focal lengths filmed!
1000mm with the Tamron 200-500mm + 2.0 converter is not quite as light but strong when you're filming with this focal in Lowlight and still remembers it to the sharpness difference anyway!
Focal Same for ¬ 24,600 less in the book .. In addition, lighter stop and take 2.8 - 5.0 .. Who itches?
This video has been rotated to 1000mm
http://vimeo.com/4238880 ;-)
Even with the sheer lunacy Tripod .. as you notice any fly s.Lens the lands!



Antwort von Chezus:

@ Sirus
wow, you know you so incredibly well ...
You believe in all seriousness that a camera on the market only if it holds a great chip!

The Canon is an SLR Camera with one pretty good video can do. Mature is the part in video function does not.

The SonyEx1 / Ex3 is not synonymous Non-Pros-Ultra, but makes very good recordings, you can damn a lot of manual settings, it sits comfortably in the hand, is relatively robust and workflow with Final Cut is (from my eyes) the madness .

In 3 years will still buy this camera (at least used), but rather concerns the so ANY Camera in this price segment.

Even if the HD market slowly over nicely, buy crazy still many prosumer SonyPD a 170/150 since 8 years now on the market.
Many TV studios (the smaller), the cam continues her because she works reliably and produces good images, if synonymous with SD


Conclusion of this "rivalry" for the best look is and remains: each camera has its strengths and weaknesses, depending on the application area. The ex of Sony cams are out of my eyes affordable all-rounder.

Movie times with the 5D a concert: forget it!

And relating to rent: The Sonyinkl 35mm adapter you get for just over 100 euros per day which is Red s.500 euros los

As far as relating to "... then it lends itself for the revolving always better to use a red out ..."



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote: Movie times with the 5D a concert: forget it!
Why?
Yeah, I lette weeks .. Is it the madness with a 1.4er .. is there any SonyEX.
Totaller scrap! (unfortunately)
Well weaken Manual Handling and are known to everyone eh ..



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

"Zizi" wrote: This video has been rotated to 1000mm

The format I do not know. How difficult are the magazines of those cameras?



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote: The format I do not know. How difficult are the magazines of those cameras?
Huh? what format / magazine do you mean?



Antwort von Chezus:

Hau times since the link to the live recording. I would like to see (from interest, really!)

I imagine the very difficult steps:

1. wg. Handy
2. Recording time
3. a tape moves quite something

Solo wg. The last point I would not 5D with the concert film, except the tape geWobbeltes wants to see a video ...

No. And my dear Zizi, in contrast to the 5D can Ex1 for live recordings just NOT forgotten.

In terms of handling is done as the Ex1 for live recordings. Not to mention the LCD display






Antwort von Schleichmichel:

That was a reference to a drafting error on your part ... should be funny ... never mind ..



Antwort von Chezus:

I fands funny ...



Antwort von sirus:

"Chezus" wrote:
@ Sirus
wow, you know you so incredibly well ...
unnecessary comment?

"Chezus" wrote:
You believe in all seriousness that a camera on the market only if it holds a great chip!

've said nothing of the sort.
"Chezus" wrote:
The Canon is a reflex camera with pretty good video you can do. Mature is the part in video function does not.



is synonymous to me clearly, nothing else says.

"Chezus" wrote:
The SonyEx1 / Ex3 is not synonymous Non-Pros-Ultra, but makes very good recordings, you can damn a lot of manual settings, it sits comfortably in the hand, is relatively robust and the workflow with Final Cut is (from my eyes) the madness .



the ex3 is perhaps well to the ex1 less. damn lot of manual settings will help you exactly nothing when it comes to the look of the film d5 hjinzubekommen. you can unscrew what you want.


"Chezus" wrote:
In 3 years will still buy this camera (at least used), but rather concerns the so ANY Camera in this price segment.

I spoke of the nikon lenses. is synonymous to me clear that the d5 in 3 years outdated.

"Chezus" wrote:
Even if the HD market slowly over nicely, buy crazy still many prosumer SonyPD a 170/150 since 8 years now on the market.
Many TV studios (the smaller), the cam continues her because she works reliably and produces good images, if synonymous with SD


as I said, short films. do not watch television.

"Chezus" wrote:
Conclusion of this "rivalry" for the best look is and remains: each camera has its strengths and weaknesses, depending on the application area.


are you speaking now of the look or the operational area? I speak of look. not by the application.

"Chezus" wrote:
Movie times with the 5D a concert: forget it!


I film shorts, no concerts. livemittschnitte not synonymous. Thus, the first 2 of your 3 reasons void. you could base 3, which wobelligen bilder, execute bit?

"Chezus" wrote:
And relating to rent: The Sonyinkl 35mm adapter you get for just over 100 euros per day which is Red s.500 los euros. As far as relating to "... then it lends itself for the revolving always better to use a red out ..."


can you please me as a link to send. especially the 100 euro per day including MINI35 I would be very interested. synonymous with the red link for 500 euro per day would be great.



Antwort von Chezus:

Link No. 1
http://www.camverleih.de/Bundles.html

Link No. 2
http://kameraverleih-deutschland.de/dynasite.cfm?dssid=5288&dsmid=97014#dstitle_748483



Antwort von sirus:

thank you very much!



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote: Hau times since the link to the live recording. I would like to see (from interest, really!
Did I not online!
Believe me .. is echt gut .. did a lot with the 50 1.4, 2.8 Fisheye, and the Tamron 28-75mm 2.8 filmed .. I would actually be shooting some videos, but for testing I've done it anyway!
In any case why should the 5D for a concert does not go well?
Just because she has strengthened her!
Alone, so a concert with fisheye filming is totally awesome!
Clearly, the discussed disadvantages are really annoying .. but what the noise / colors / DOF / light intensity can IMMOMENT are all under ¬ 10,000 does not violate the 5D bodies!
Everything vollschrott if you ask me!
Also, the EX models Sündhaftteuren the already long Lowlightqualitäten such offer should be like the 5D for the price!
If yes no bad Videoameras, but the picture quality of a very minor role ..



Antwort von Chezus:

garnicht yes I will deny what they can do. And I can imagine synonymous so ussynonymous that you can start a concert.

The question is not whether it can, but whether it makes sense. With a cellphone, I can record a concert synonymous (which many do, if you want to look on Youtube), but there is an easier one if a la Ex Cam 1 has, only because the handle and the well-placed LCD display.

As I said, a tape moves (at least most ...) and with so much movement, I can well imagine that the cam just a little warpage of the Picture.
In concert films I basically only with manual focus when with much flash is used. Constantly sharp to make the (for me) singers in mind to have the tape out of the way to go and at the same time not falling of the stage requires very much skill and patience.

And as I said in another thread've already written: it is sauschwer, if not impossible for a perfect live recording to get.

And why exactly fit the better Ex1

By "forget it" I mean "forget it, because you will not be happy" for the reasons:

- Recording time
- Handling
- Autom. Focus

Lad doch mal an excerpt of the concert up! Would I really like to see!
Otherwise you invite everyone but always synonymous sch ... high;))



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote: - Recording time
- Handling
- Autom. Focus

;))
What recording time?
I can with the 5D Locker 2 hours Durchfilmen depending on the card ..
Auto focus takes you at concerts eh not because the majority is wrong and therefore of absolutely no eh 5D preference whether or EX ..
Klar ich würd EX synonymous to a draw but if picture quality to go in any case .. especially if you want to enjoy, a fisheye or 1000mm without ranzuschrauben Crop!
Quote: Lad doch mal an excerpt of the concert up! Would I really like to see!
Otherwise you invite everyone but always synonymous sch ... high
I just Lad a sequence highly .. then provide the link here!
What should every hot shit .. ;-(



Antwort von Manuell:

Chezus,
thou hast a few shots of one, with the EX1 filmed concert?

Synonymous times I would be very interested, especially with a lot of flash.

mfg
Manuel






Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote: ... I can with the 5D Locker 2 hours Durchfilmen ...
Has it not always said that the 5D MkII would be the time to a maximum of 29 minutes and 59 seconds limit? If you have two hours uninterrupted films, Canon can claim not vote yes.



Antwort von Chezus:

Sure I have some pictures of the Ex1 and that the sensor does not like Flash is synonymous to me clearly.

Have you ever read what I've written?
I do not even get out next.

And I can of the material, unfortunately, nothing online, since the stuff I've filmed in the rights it but because the bands have.



Antwort von Manuell:

Hi,
I wanted to avoid re RS stimulate debate, just like to see visual material, because I do mostly synonymous concerts and movies like me yet soon the Panasonic HPX171 wants growth.

mfg
Manuel



Antwort von Chezus:

As I said, unfortunately, can nix link. Finds from Zizi nice extra was that it uploads. Possibly. is yes on Vimeo ...

Discussion or not, live concerts are very ungrateful.
Flashlight, red light, blue light, yellow light, smoke and everything else that happened around ...

I think that there is no Cam is ideal ... for me are the previously mentioned points also crucial.

In terms of handling is good for my ex just very good.
In particular, the adjustable hand s.der Page etc. I bleib dabei;)



Antwort von Chezus:

@ Zizi

hab mir concert snippets times.
From ichs find her look quite good, but quite a lot of zooming and panning can be with the 5D is not.

Is and remains for me a major shortcoming



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"Zizi" wrote: ......
Focal Same for ¬ 24,600 less in the book .. In addition, lighter stop and take 2.8 - 5.0 .. Who itches?
.....

That the SIGMA is what is very well except questioned the Internally Processed chip / bar is only good on the market ..... and if you s.die 5D MarkII are synonymous, one would determine a difference in handling recognize - keyword Still Image / Movie Safari.

It is quite a difference what you buy for Lenses and you can clearly see synonymous.

MfG
B. DeKid

Or should I now sell my L IS and against my first 14 years old No Name Giant 600mm cannons Lens exchange and I prefer NEN new small house (in Germany darkness) of the Money Buy? Is not really super idea: - /

PS: Who has the dug out this thread - Easter is quite rum



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote: Has it not always said that the 5D MkII would be the time to a maximum of 29 minutes and 59 seconds limit? If you have two hours uninterrupted films, Canon can claim not vote yes.
Achso .. yes true!
This can be but according to Canon simply bypass?!
Has one an idea how to do this?
here the link of the concert .. I quickly cut together
and not rumheulen. is of the hand from filmed! without the image stabilizer is not better!
http://vimeo.com/4398157



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote: It is quite a difference what you buy for Lenses and you can clearly see synonymous.
Since you have absolutely right .. However, whether one on the 2.1 MP (FullHD video), I doubt remembers .. I had the Sigma and will never be synonymous never have the money I'll buy a new mid-range car!
about ¬ 20tsd is echt der wahnsinn .. ¬ 10,000 would have been much too much when you consider you the same with 2 small apertures and shitty for the processing gets 30 times less!
So far, however, I noticed not even a big difference between the Tamron 28-75 and Canon 25-70 2.8 WITH PHOTO! Dennen and are also subject to the 5 times of s.Preisunterschied therefore I find at 90% is not worth the extra cost especially if you own the wages must be stuff!