Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Sony Vegas + DVD 7.0E of rudi - 17 May 2007 19:23:00 > "Long time no see, Vegas." Since version 5.0 there was no Vegas-Review on Slashcam. It had neither reason nor method, simply wanted to muse whether the many available editing programs do not really stop. What is this, however, has changed again.
Antwort von Marco:
Good Report (and synonymous in the history well researched) and basically I would on the playback performance for HD formats do not necessarily lose a lot of words. However, the preview options of Vegas actually very diverse. Because not only are the settings for the quality, but synonymous, two additional scaling options and a (optionally simultaneous) combination with the external preview, which also affect playback performance. Overall, perhaps a little confusing, but I find that at optimal preview settings (or perhaps synonymous: to other systems similar preview settings) the performance is not necessarily worse than in many other systems (except for the times, which require additional hardware acceleration for the playback features) .
My PC is an Athlon X2 4,200 + with 1 GB Ram. This runs as AVCHD, if the preview of Half-Resolutionund HD preview quality is set and no further adjustment to the scaling are enabled, fully redundant with full refresh both files with 29.97 as synonymous with Files 25 fps feature.
If so, I go into the full, setting Optimal (Full) - ie full HD Resolutionund various adjustments change may actually 40 to 60 percent of the power lost. But on playback values of only 2 fps to come, which I did not create.
If the settings for me are selected so that liquid with AVCHD 25/29, 97 fps is running, is the size of the cut still ok, if the preview is not too far away.
With HDV or XDCAM HD formats, I have about the performance anyway nothing to complain (if no filter applied). The format, running at full HD resolution preview with 25/29, 97 fps.
If that's a similar system is different, probably somewhere agrees something s.den settings.
To register for the presentation of Vegas Playback Picture performance in comparison to other systems to make, so it would be helpful if all the settings as closely as possible and would have options. I always like to test with two different setups. Once the full Resolutionmit not necessarily a resource-saving scaling adjustment, the same as the low refresh rate will be. And conversely, once a setup that still provides full refresh rate, regardless of the compromises that we have seen in the preview settings must be received. If this framework then specify exactly can you get a good picture of it, where the boundaries are and what compromises will help.
Marco
Antwort von wolfgang:
So anything you have in testing the preview capabilities had probably wrong. On my 3.2 Ghz P4 with 1 GB of RAM - that is identical with your test system - I come with AVCHD files in preview / full to about 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. fps - not synonymous berauschend much but the approximately 3-fold (!) Of the of value you specified.
Maybe you had next to the secondary display or the internal preview enabled - as heard on "display frames in the video preview window during playback" dial away. At least in the test with the selection shown. Or perhaps the project settings were not optimal to set the used clips.
Sure, synonymous 5-6 fps is not intoxicating - but the test machine is as synonymous rather have my ancient, there AVCHD editing, where one in every supermarket a 2-core system nachgeworfen is hardly sensible. With a simple clip HDV2 I can but this statement is synonymous to the old test system does not understand: with my PC, I create in preview (full) and ousted the option "display frames ...." 25 fps.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well, Marco had probably the same result as I do, what the statements on the preview capability is concerned.
:)
Antwort von Marco:
With AVCHD playback is indeed a dual-core system of advantage, it will use both cores.
Stupid question: Is there any P4 EE Dual Core?
Marco
Antwort von SToe:
So I think that is a Einkernsystem, just as I - and presumably "EE" stands for extreme edition. For a 2-core system, so the findings would no longer be explained.
Antwort von Marco:
Ah, onDann I lay with my somewhat off the mark. At least for HDV and XDCAM HD, but it would not matter, because the playback of this format, only one core can be used (if no filter applied).
Marco
Antwort von Tino01:
My PC is an Athlon X2 4,200 + with 1 GB Ram. This runs as AVCHD, if the preview of Half-Resolutionund HD preview quality is set and no further adjustment to the scaling are enabled, fully redundant with full refresh both files with 29.97 as synonymous with Files 25 fps feature.
Ah, there really are people with an AMD system to try to cut videos. Times I think you deserve your money do not really trust because it can be seen on an AMD system is not really.
Alone, the chip rate is often not of the same company and has no SSSE3 composed of just in the video field is important.
I have until now synonymous not yet seen the video dealer AMD NLE editing systems sold.
But as long as you only work with Vegas is ok, other video programming is simply a tidy s.Leistung flutes. I think some program such as AVID Express and Edius run on AMD systems only garnicht.
Greeting
Tino
Antwort von Marco:
I deserve with DV editing for 15 years and my money on my own systems I have never been anything other than Athlon processors used. No problems and no complaints regarding performance. Runs safe, stable, fast. See no reason yet, on another horse to set and I know perfectly synonymous comparisons to other systems, because I do not just sit s.meinem own.
Marco
Antwort von rudi:
So very briefly (because I actually s.einem other important Project seats):
- The Pentium 4 EE (Extreme Edition) has 2 real cores and to have two simulated by HT. In the process monitor so you can see 4 processors under Windows. It could be that Vegas simulated with the 2 was unable to cope.
- The preview was well on Windows as synonymous to the preview monitor. The costs in other programs, usually no additional performance (or only minimally).
- Be there in good times or try something more rauszukitzeln.
Synonymous Could be that the processor cache with 2 x 1 MB synonymous something small. However, Marcos Athlon even less.
I think that the Athlons to the old P4s even slightly better at performing video editing, with the Core2Duos siehts probably a little better from Intel.
If a software only with Intel processors work well, then the programmers what vergeigt, honest!
Many greetings
Rudi
Antwort von Marco:
For a comparison here at my accurate material properties, settings and results:
A handful of AVCHD files of a SR1, 1440x1080/50i.
Project Properties in Vegas: HDV 1080/50i-Template.
Right-click menu on the preview window
- 'Preferences for the preview device "entry" frames in the video preview window during playback show ",
is activated.
- "Aspect ratio of the simulated device is
de activated.
- "Video Preview window scaling",
is activated.
Thumbnail size and quality: "Preview / Half."
Internal preview is drawn from docking area and to those settings for maximum image size (720x540) withdrawn.
Refresh rate: 25 fps.
Second Test, but over the top entry is the "aspect ratio of the device to simulate" enabled and the thumbnail size and quality "Optimal / Full."
Refresh rate: 7 to 13 fps.
Then again like last, but "" aspect ratio of the device to simulate
"de activated (eg for an external preview): 11 to 20 fps.
Marco
Antwort von Rideck:
Servus Together.
I use Vegas synonymous since the 3.Version and although I will soon transfer to a mbp to Final Cut Studio to use, probably not want to Vegas. I took the test, if a bit short synonymous very well done.
But what you think Rudi as a small aesthetic shortcoming consider cheered assessed my purist sense. And the advantage is obvious, I need fewer resources, such as elaborate animated cut programs. And what professional program creates it with his skills have only 250MB on the hard drive to unfold:). Schön that a manufacturer in the times of the virtually unlimited storage space nor on the size of sets. And about the price, I would not even time to speak.
mfg Rideck
Antwort von rudi:
So, I have now the two nuclei
DE Hyperthreading enabled.
That makes a, the calculator is now a normal Pentium D840.
In fact, it seems to Vegas in this stinkenormalen dual system without HT significantly better feeling.
Here briefly my current numbers:
Marcos vorgschlagener Test 1: about 21 FPS, however, breaks s.jedem Hardcut breaking performance at about 10 FPS an AND recovers then, with longer scenes on fairly stable 21 FPS.
Marcos second test (the preview size and quality "Optimal / Full".)
Here I come around at 14 FPS, with just geanntem burglary also on around 10 FPS at Hardcuts.
I still body "aspect ratio of the device to simulate" that I finally lands at 6 FPS.
Last is pretty much synonymous submission, with which I had previously measured. So at least three times faster than me of describing (I add the new Ergenbnisse in the course of the day in the article).
Now I have more time soon Pinnacle Studio 11 on the other hand, run and then when I get fully resolved, seitenkorrigierter Preview on second monitor full 25 FPS (with practically no intrusions between Hardcuts)
Of course, the programs are not comparable, but a 4 times higher speed preview is still a reason for poor performance of Vegas to speak, since Liquid is likely to be similarly fast.
consensus?
Many greetings
Rudi
Antwort von rudi:
Servus Together.
But what you think Rudi as a small aesthetic shortcoming consider cheered assessed my purist sense.
Each to his. In any case a rather subjective point of criticism of me.
And the advantage is obvious, I need fewer resources, such as elaborate animated cut programs.
Apparently, the good allocation of resources in performance but not implemented. So I see the advantage (at least on my hand) is not.
And what professional program creates it with his skills have only 250MB on the hard drive to unfold:). Schön that a manufacturer in the times of the virtually unlimited storage space nor on the size of sets.
As you talk to me from the soul. There is in the next article Pinnacle Studio synonymous a small pamphlet of me on the subject. (should be the days go on-line).
And about the price, I would not even time to speak.
Who speaks in our industry have over the money;)
But seriously. Of course, the package with DVD Architect not a bad deal, especially those who in the U.S. in the current dollar orders.
The only question is why you then switch to Apple when Vegas is everything pancake? But not about the simple interface .... ;)
Many greetings
Rudi
Antwort von Marco:
Thank you for this second test, Rudi. When the then synonymous within the test report s.der nothing principled assessment of the performance will change, so the results are better but understandable.
Your results differ so now no longer so much of mine. Nevertheless, it surprised me a little, I had this system for a better output expected. Perhaps here is - relatively speaking - an Athlon something faster.
Marco
Antwort von rudi:
I want to anyway in the future once again our test machine to a newer platform hoist. Synonymous times I would estimate that you have 2 GB of Ram?
I have just 1 GB in it, but do not want to retrofit before I know what motherboard and what processor in the new system stuck.
Many greetings
Rudi
Antwort von wolfgang:
What I still do not understand is that other users AVCHD straight to Vegas for a better performance than reported in the Studio 11 software.
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=3970
I have not even tested because I have neither the Studio 11 software, have yet to run AVCHD editing. But it is undoubtedly true that the Studio 11 software synonymous has moulted out nicely.
Interesting would be from my personal point of view rather comparative tests on HDV2 been. Yet many users are probably more likely in HDV on the field than at AVCHD - synonymous if the change is expected.
Ok, fine to know that there is a 2-core system was - which was then but strangely with certain settings not performed significantly better than my old 1-core system with HT.
In sum could well be that we are but of considerable hardware dependencies speak. And that 1 GB is dull, because I can only give Rudi. Overall, it is still very much change - if of Vegas at the NAB in late 2007 announced 64bit version comes. And that then requires Vista anyway as synonymous entirely different PCs.
Antwort von Marco:
"I would appreciate synonymous times that you have 2 GB of Ram?" Nee, I only have 1 GB Ram. But Ram is playing for playback in Vegas rather a secondary role. CPU power is the "A & O".
Marco
Antwort von wenzi:
As in the Vegas forum posted plays the Vegas preview with AVCHD on a second monitor in full 1080i format (via DVI) with just 24-25 f / s. I tested this with my E6600 Core2Duo and 3 GB of RAM (hochgetaktet of 2.4 to 2.7 GHz). The jerky is already playing well, but HDV files in all levels of quality (synonymous in the highest!) With 25 f / s appear almost smooth. The processor load is not even the HDV at 40%, the CPU switches, often even in the savings Gang (1.8 HGZ)!
graphics card (s): one passively cooled ATI X1600 and X1300 PCIe and each with 256 MB of RAM. One must in the HD area so something Klotz, so that it runs smoothly. This concerns the case here in Vegas 7 is not the 3D performance (which is only for games), but the equipment with RAM, etc. - Vegas uses (unfortunately?) No GPU computing power. But that is now synonymous nothing new.
And 1GB of RAM for HDV / AVCHD has the limit of endurance! This is for my terms simple enough.
Here again my specific experience with AVCHD:
I do not want to say that people in Vegas 7 so could not cut. You can. Often, the frame rate is 25 f / s in the preview, but then bends to play every second, but an AND the Picture falters - even in draft mode. This is the processor usage constantly 70% on both cores! Whether you can be so happy, everyone must decide for themselves. It plays little role, incidentally, which mode you for the preview dials (grade, full, half, quarter) - the jerky immutable, synonymous to a separate TV monitor (on the HDV otherwise runs perfectly clean). So it is not as usual s.der output quality!
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Antwort von bluegirl12:
As in the Vegas forum posted plays the Vegas preview with AVCHD on a second monitor in full 1080i format (via DVI) with just 24-25 f / s. I tested this with my E6600 Core2Duo and 3 GB of RAM (hochgetaktet of 2.4 to 2.7 GHz). The jerky is already playing well, but HDV files in all levels of quality (synonymous in the highest!) With 25 f / s appear almost smooth.
Ok, but with a overgeclockten E6600 did you (except of 4Kern systems) have the absolute fastest currently available hardware, ie all other systems look a lot worse with the playback from ...
Sean
Antwort von bluegirl12:
... but HDV files in all levels of quality (synonymous in the highest!) with 25 f / s appear almost smooth.
and
.... ie to all other systems look a lot worse with the playback from ...
Sean Well this is precisely the target area HDV not. When set to "preview (full)" playing my old 3.2 Ghz P4 with synonymous only 1 GB Ram preview of 1080 50i as 25 fps with the right settings vorrausgesetzt. And synonymous with the highest quality preview - "Best (Full)" for me is no different.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Is there really a difference between playing in an editing program and the playback of a Blu Ray with PowerDVD?
Regarding Jerkiness and stutter and what it was called.
/ E
Antwort von bluegirl12:
... but HDV files in all levels of quality (synonymous in the highest!) with 25 f / s appear almost smooth.
and
.... ie to all other systems look a lot worse with the playback from ...
Sean
Well this is precisely the target area HDV not. When set to "preview (full)" playing my old 3.2 Ghz P4 with synonymous only 1 GB Ram preview of 1080 50i as 25 fps with the right settings vorrausgesetzt. And synonymous with the highest quality preview - "Best (Full)" for me is no different. sorry, I was not exactly: I meant the AVCHD preview ...
Sean
Antwort von wenzi:
Ok, but with a overgeclockten E6600 did you (except of 4Kern systems) have the absolute fastest currently available hardware, ie all other systems look a lot worse with the playback from ... That's right! Only synonymous, I have not claimed that the cutting of HD material with a Pentium 4/3.0 GHz, yet somehow more fun. From AVCHD, we do not talk: It is my opinion not even the necessary hardware available - at least for the moment. This is probably within 12 months of give.
The test of Rudi is also one of the very rare of its kind: Finally someone sees precisely under the hood of Vegas and recognizes the infinitely many features that are there (unfortunately, often in secret) to slumber. However, if you 1000 About glare with all Firlefanz looking at Magix and Co. Pinnacle safe or better.
Antwort von rudi:
sorry, last post from misunderstanding is cleared ..
Antwort von wolfgang:
Somehow eludes the discussion at least in part, my understanding, which are part of the AVCHD. Let's be clear - what editing programs support AVCHD actually really, and how do they do it?
The time really in the first round was Canopus by a converter has used the AVCHD files to the Canopus HQ codec converts intermediate - which can then be cut. Surely a good solution - apart of the time for walking. Then we have in recent times - early May - the launch of Ulead Video Studio 11 +, and synonymous seen Pinnacle Studio 11. For Pinnacle Studio 11, I can not say - Rudi said here so that the preview performance would be better. To Ulead Video Studio 11 +, I can only say that I now have installed the trial - only to see that the AVCHD files are not of the plate can import, but apparently only of the camcorders? Not ideal. In the case VdL is synonymous as synonymous - but how well it works there?
And it would be synonymous already. Adobe can do only with the Main Concept plug-ins, as far as I know - and so very poorly, because the swap file there should be problems. Can otherwise another NLE, sometimes without any external special tricks? Vegas imported least times the native material of Sony devices.
In sum one can the variants, with which you can edit AVCHD, s.einer single hand - and not even need all this finger. From the Page, you can probably say that AVCHD is still need for development - with most editing applications, such as synonymous of the necessary computer power. So it should probably not be the focus for a viewing his performance.
Antwort von michael.:
I have problems with AVCHD files with more than 17-18 minutes (probably a problem with the 2GB limit).
The m2ts files (60-80 minutes) can be used with the media player (under Vista) and the Picture Motion Browser completely bug-free and fully considered. After the capture in Vegas everything is s.der 17-18 minute in the timeline red. When scrolling through the red area from stürtzt Vegas.
The support for this problem had previously only notice .. they had it to the developer team and is waiting for reply ..
Antwort von rudi:
So sometimes my short experience I already had, (before I finished the test soon write):
1. Pinacles Performance of AVCHD on my calculator was pretty good. Mostly 25 FPS in fullscreen and scaled to a second PC monitor, but there is always synonymous here burglaries, as if the computer has hiccups.
2. Ulead VideoStudio 11 can be synonymous AVCHD Files of the plate import. I had only synonymous play: You need only have the DVD Importer go there and then a "DVD folder" on the dial plate. Can be found only when man knows ...
The performance was, however, underground (perhaps lags somewhat synonymous here s.Hyperthreading, but in any event by 2 classes Vegas, at least)
3. Video Deluxe can contact me synonymous Pros in the latest version (2007/2008) does not begin with AVCHD. Neither Sony Panasonic yet. Either I put myself here really saublöd, or now someone proves the contrary. There will always be here in the forum of anonymous posters claiming, but I find nothing about this (not synonymous with Magix itself).
4. Public Premiere CS3 Beta can not begin with AVCHD and Adobe has made no announcement made synonymous. However, there are rumors that the latest Beta can import AVCHD synonymous, but more poorly than right. So it should be synonymous questionable whether Adobe in the final version brings.
I think the performance of viewing just important today because many AVCHD buyers just looking for a cutting solution, which somehow runs smoothly. That one in two years, synonymous to the cheapest PC AVCHD Hardcuts track with smooth cut can be, is beyond question. But many now want to cut and AVCHD is no need to buy Computer.
Antwort von oncestyle:
3. Video Deluxe can contact me synonymous Pros in the latest version (2007/2008) does not begin with AVCHD. Neither Sony Panasonic yet. Either I put myself here really saublöd, or now someone proves the contrary. There will always be here in the forum of anonymous posters claiming, but I find nothing about this (not synonymous with Magix itself).
Do you have the old plug-ins are free to import?
MPEG2
MPEG4
AC3 2.0 and AC3 5.1
UDF2.5 fit?
it should be Sony's with no problem with the calculator to be very powerful sollte.Magix recommends otherwise, the transformation into a MPG2 Smartrenderingfähige Intermediate solution.
Antwort von wolfgang:
1. Pinacles Performance of AVCHD on my calculator was pretty good. Mostly 25 FPS in fullscreen and scaled to a second PC monitor, but there is always synonymous here burglaries, as if the computer has hiccups.
So a similar behavior as in Vegas, where one sees synonymous burglaries. I wonder just how you 25 fps when Pinnacle detects you. Synonymous Enumerates the Pinnacle Studio software is now with the fps, or is it an estimate? Between 18, 20 or 25 fps to distinguish purely optical is rather difficult to stop.
2. Ulead VideoStudio 11 can be synonymous AVCHD Files of the plate import. I had only synonymous play: You need only have the DVD Importer go there and then a "DVD folder" on the dial plate. Can be found only when man knows ...
The performance was, however, underground (perhaps lags somewhat synonymous here s.Hyperthreading, but in any event by 2 classes Vegas, at least)
That gave me synonymous George wrote yesterday, but I have not managed it yet, so a DVD directory. And somehow I s.diesem Eck the Ulead software sometimes and sometimes not - just like VS10 + was, where we have been in beta test saw that not even HDV2 import files Liese, which only with a later update has been corrected. But AVCHD files are not directly of a hard disk directory to import, it is extremely inappropriate, because during the recording of each scene separately as a separate file on DVD or HD on the camcorder is stored - and then the man synonymous via USB2 on the PC can play.
4. Public Premiere CS3 Beta can not begin with AVCHD and Adobe has made no announcement made synonymous. However, there are rumors that the latest Beta can import AVCHD synonymous, but more poorly than right. So it should be synonymous questionable whether Adobe in the final version brings.
Na will probably synonymous with AVCHD CS3 can not do - and then leaves it to Adobe until the MainConcept plugin to do the cutting. And this plugin but apparently with rising File a steadily increasing number of paging file. In a real project with a few hundred clips then collapses the system fairly quickly, as one hears reports of User. Or is that now resolved?
I think the performance of viewing just important today because many AVCHD buyers just looking for a cutting solution, which somehow runs smoothly. That one in two years, synonymous to the cheapest PC AVCHD Hardcuts track with smooth cut can be, is beyond question. But many now want to cut and AVCHD is no need to buy Computer. Basically because I'm with you. Only we must not stop to realize that the AVCHD cut about 20-fold performance PC is required, compared with HDV2. At least according to an estimate of Stephan in Canopus forum.
If this is true, then we have today (yet) neither the right PCs, nor the right NLEs, for a really easy to make AVCHD editing.
Even with a 4-core system running the thing in Vegas is not as round as HDV2:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?postid=65549 # post65549
And synonymous with the Pinnacle software, I am not sure - without even testing it. Other users report that their systems Vegas regarding AVCHD performater was when the Pinnalce Software:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?postid=65420 # post65420
What I criticize s.dem test unchanged, therefore the fact of the AVCHD performance on the average performance of an entire NLE to close. Neither can the essential "peers" of the Vegas native AVCHD editing - nothing as Ulead MSP, the leader Edius or Adobe. And HDV2 sees the matter quite balanced, but this was not really considered
Antwort von rudi:
I wonder just how you 25 fps when Pinnacle detects you. Synonymous Enumerates the Pinnacle Studio software is now with the fps, or is it an estimate? Between 18, 20 or 25 fps to distinguish purely optical is rather difficult to stop. Currently it is only an impression, measured as yet I have nothing.
Basically, you can simply Messvideo into the timeline, provide that the individual frames of 1-25 as a text durchzählt (or a simple time code reinrendern). Then again, the man filming with a video camera that looks and whether the einzlenen frames are escaped.
I bilde mittlerwerweile me to take a difference between 18 and 25 FPS but to be able to see. If tatächlich constant 23FPS just get out and I did not realize they are actually 25 FPS for me;)
The FPS display in Vegas seems to me verkässlich not entirely synonymous, because the frame is always the average of the last xxx seconds. The "warming" has since niemlas 25 FPS.
That gave me synonymous George wrote yesterday, but I have not managed it yet, so a DVD directory. And somehow I s.diesem Eck the Ulead software sometimes and sometimes not - just like VS10 + was, where we have been in beta test saw that not even HDV2 import files Liese, which only with a later update has been corrected. I look, that I have in my test report, a detailed description will bring ...
What I criticize s.dem test unchanged, therefore the fact of the AVCHD performance on the average performance of an entire NLE to close.
Well, purely subjective Vegas seems to me simply a lame duck to be after I Edius as a reference to the possible teschnisch look at HDV. That is almost synonymous, but ultimately my only criticism s.Vegas.
An objective test, however, is anything but trivial, because it's really a lot of parameters to be observed there.
Many greetings
Rudi
Antwort von wolfgang:
In Vegas you stop with the fps counter at least one indicator of her system - and if the constant of 5 or 6 fps herumgrundelt, then you know what synonymous, just as if the holding constant at 25 fps is. Clearly the Abfilmen conceivable, but it is very expensive - who is doing something? I would definitely not do that.
So to Einlesbarkeit exclusively of chips of the AVCHD hard drive in Ulead Video Studio 11 + has neither George nor I found a way. We speak because not mind, just one of the device AVCHD clips into VS11 + to get - so this should go smoothly, but only of the hard drive, and then we have just not really done.
I have Edius 3.6x and 4.x as synonymous with regard to HDV performance views. Edius is in the range of HDV performance certainly extremely well. In my experience you have but differed as to whether the recommended way of Canopus on the Canopus HQ codec is intermediate or whether the material natively bearbeitetn wants.
Will you render in the first generation, then there is today little more against a native editing - and it has the advantage that one but the 3-4x larger Intermediate files saves. The real-time preview is in Edius synonymous under these conditions quite well, but 25 fps are an HDV stream where only almost synonymous, but not entirely - what we work on systems such as mine (3.2 Ghz P4) it recognizes that the buffer and the leerläuft Preview is interrupted when the option is not abdreht (what is). In the native editing, I think Vegas 7 is now virtually equal, which I did Vegas, especially in view of the preview gives even finer control - when I switch between preview and dissolution achieved fps can optimize.
Even better, for Edius from when the Intermediate HQ codec is used - then the system has much larger reserves than realtime Vegas, which is synonymous both Cineform as synonymous to the Canopus HQ codec is playing, but not with the preview how the reserves can Edius. Which is then used together with an NX and preview via component, you have an excellent place for cutting HDV.
Edius has time to stop at least a few other points, where once again trumps Vegas - in the audio area around there is still no 5.1 no 5.1 Panning and output. These are the stop points that such a NLE Comparison always terribly difficult to make - and the reason the ancient and ewigwährende discussion to see what the system was better, make unanswerable.
For me at least, is the crux of that I am both with Edius 4 as synonymous with Vegas 7 my HDV material into a suitable form can be cut, and while on my already rather old 3.2 Ghz P4 with only 1 GB Ram! The investment in a new machine has thus drastically times backwards.
Antwort von Marco:
So, in a timeline with many cuts, but without crossfades / Effects with HDV 1080/50i-Material I am in Vegas in output in full HD resolution (Optimal / full) on the secondary display is always at 25 fps with no dips.
What will change for me until I crossfades / Filters / Effects investors. Then as the option, the preview resolution to half, for example, which blends simple, easy PIPs, color with me still with the full 25 fps running.
So the simple average is running at me with HDV really perfect. If it goes beyond it, I choose how I look at the performance setup.
I think it is uncontested, however, that Edius in terms of playback performance a kind of reference. Since implementing these programs on different priorities.
Marco
Antwort von wolfgang:
Above all, Edius HDV in the field already a preference than in Vegas, nor the version 6 was - and it was really dull in HDV.
With Vegas 7, however: the 25 fps, I create in 1080 50i native m2t files synonymous synonymous my old 1-core PC, with the best possible Resolutionder preview. What more could you want?
Antwort von dieter.adler:
Hi all,
Perhaps synonymous nor what price to be said. Vegas with a little skill can very conveniently be purchased. In BHPHOTOVIDEO.COM get it as a pack VEGAS 6 + Update for around 250 euros (including postage and inches!). Cheap on ebay or an old version of VEGAS buy and then update it. It costs about the same then. Füe the price there is nothing nearly so powerful.
Gruss Eva
Antwort von Marco:
I watch just SpeedEdit that is yes, according to the slogan fastest NLE in the world should be and each format can be processed.
SpeedEdit with HDV is much slower than Vegas. At half preview size (both programs) shows for example crossfades Vegas ungerendert nor even a better playback performance (full 25 fps, smooth) as with pre SpeedEdit Aperture. As long as the Aperture SpeedEdit not rendered, it is pointless anyway - Slideshow ...
So the evaluation of the playback performance is always relative. If Vegas because even better position than the "fastest editing system in the world", I find that quite ok, if Edius synonymous because a still loose it can give.
With AVCHD and XDCAM, IMX, or whether HD can SpeedEdit do not start.
All very relative.
Marco
