Frage von Neuling:
Hi folks,
since there are many professionals in the field of HD camcorder there I would like your opinion about the two camcorder know.
I want to do is occasionally make shots, birthdays, etc. If I Urlauf layman as a difference in picture quality or not?
Am I on the Right Page at Sony in terms of quality, durability and processing of the camera is concerned?
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
Time ne other question that you should provide:
- Can you edit HDV hardware and software?
- Can the audience play HDV or has the hardware to watch?
- What speaks against DV?
Antwort von MichaSpr:
Hard-and software, so if the PC is concerned, then it's all there. DV content is outdated and the new is synonymous Glotze already there.
About these questions, I have already thought, because I am by this forum almost had read.
Antwort von MichaSpr:
... then you buy but the HV10
has finally building technically better!
http://www.camcorder-test.com/
(read abstract)
and on large TVs is the difference
certainly evident.
gruß cj
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
About these questions, I have already thought, because I am by this forum almost had read. That with the "fast read" I think not, but surely you have found it here:
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/ Canon HV10.html
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Sony-HDR-HC3.html
Antwort von Neuling:
This test, I have already angeguckt and on the results of the Canon it's better, but I have a pair of synonymous read other opinions.
It's important to me that someone who has already filmed with the cameras gave me his opinion there.
Antwort von Neuling:
Thanks for the links, which I have already read.
Antwort von BigHitman:
... other
HC3 has better sound recording
gruß cj
Antwort von ruessel:
http://www.fxsupport.de/16.html
if you times native HC3 + HV10 m2t download material want. Both cameras were running at the same lighting and same image in parallel.
Antwort von kiteschlampe:
Hello,
EXACTLY THAT QUESTION I was a few weeks ago synonymous tormented. Did I ultimately decided on the Canon, because:
+ The Picture of lengths is better
+ DV in and out has
+ Full HDV native 16:9 mode has Resolutionim: 1920 x 1080th Precisely this is the test incorrectly. The Sonyhat "only" 1440 x 1080 "So 4:3
What bothers me is s.der Cam:
- No Micro input, not even a Jack
- The Lieferumpfang: No SD is
What is negative for both is:
- No Ladegrät. It's always just on the camcorder. And yet to consider: Is the Canon will NOT be loaded on. So here caution. Is loaded only when the camcorder.
What I've asked previously noted:
# The picture is really first class
# Even at low light with the correct settings
# Aperture and Shutter can be set manual - CLASS
I would once again get the Canon, synonymous've "only" about 1129th - Euros paid.
Hope I could help you.
Gruss Chris
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Which is better for the HV10 camcorder:
Antwort von Neuling:
@ all: Thanks for your detailed Antwoten.
So at the moment, I am totally confused, even worse than previously. Some say it's better the other ones. So both cameras are highly recommended.
The Canon has a higher Resolutionund better picture quality, but low Battery - maturity and a loud drive.
What is Sony?
Can you all agree with me when I say that both cameras for a chance Filmer (birthdays and other celebrations) are appropriate? And that I have with each of which will be satisfied?
Antwort von ruessel:
Now wait a few days .... Then there is the HC5 + HC7, look what they can (possibly synonymous UX7). The price is starting today in the U.S. for both new cams to $ 1000.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
We have all the mom without a disaster ...
Antwort von Neuling:
@ trunk
When coming to Germany after the new HC5 and HC7? Be with us as much cost?
Antwort von ruessel:
No clue ... Now comes the first to show the presentation, after the sale. But since the price for large customers already fixed, I guess the sale s.March / April.
Antwort von Neuling:
The long lasting to me and I think that the cameras are well over a thousand euros will cost. What is your personal impression of the cameras, which would you choose if you have to?
Antwort von ruessel:
HDR-HC5 $ 1001.73
HDR-HC7 $ 1166.18
HDR-UX5 $ 919.50
HDR-UX7 $ 1083.96
Antwort von Bernd E.:
HDR-HC5 $ 1001.73
HDR-HC7 $ 1166.18 At least now we know already that both record on DVD.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von ruessel:
what would you decide if you have to? Both cameras have unfortunately no micro entrance. Both cameras are more for when the film, the HV10 has the sharper the better sensor and SteadyShot. The HC3 is in the handling better and in my opinion has the better LCD. Not to get an adapter synonymous with nor an external Micro s.der HC3 ran ....... HV10 makes the rather loud noise in the sound .....
Is really difficult, nevertheless, in daylight, the HV10 looks better in the Picture, if you gain the HV10 can restrict synonymous in the night. I had the HV10 for a few hours in the hands ......
Antwort von ruessel:
At least now we know already that both record on DVD. Makes me wonder a bit, I had a week ago quite different information ... But look what s.Montag will be presented.
Antwort von kiteschlampe:
sorry double posted ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
At least now we know already that both record on DVD.
Makes me wonder a bit, I had a week ago quite different information ... Lucky: but instead of tape DVD!
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Alpinist:
Only for the sake of completeness ...
+ DV in and out has This has the HC3 synonymous!
+ Full HDV native 16:9 mode has Resolutionim: 1920 x 1080th Precisely this is the test incorrectly. The Sonyhat "only" 1440 x 1080 "So 4:3 The HC3 is synonymous a 'real' 16:9 Camera. This is called anamorphic compression and is (quite legitimate) non-rectangular pixels (search the forums and Wikipedia).
- No Micro input, not even a Jack Both equally bad.
- The Lieferumpfang: No SD is The HC3 does synonymous Memory Stick Pro Duo synonymous but that was not the point ;-)
- No Ladegrät. It's always just on the camcorder. And yet to consider: Is the Canon will NOT be loaded on. So here caution. Is loaded only when the camcorder. At the same HC3 - unfortunately
I would once again get the Canon, synonymous've "only" about 1129th - Euros paid. I have half a year ago for the HC3 synonymous paid ;-)
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Antwort von wartifan:
I can only say the HC3 is a small & practical.
She has an incredible dynamic range.
The exposure can be corrected, but you need rarest and if you dial over the front.
The Optics is excellent and fast.
The usual low-Ligtaufnahmen succeed super.
... and if you have the part I with patience + luck nigelnagelneu and seal with stickers in the DVD for ¬ 730 including postage gets-what AMN want more?
Nen Second Battery and External Ladstation gibts ne then cheap at Ebay.
Antwort von Parafuso83:
Only for the sake of completeness ...
+ Full HDV native 16:9 mode has Resolutionim: 1920 x 1080th Precisely this is the test incorrectly. The Sonyhat "only" 1440 x 1080 "So 4:3
The HC3 is synonymous a 'real' 16:9 Camera. This is called anamorphic compression and is (quite legitimate) non-rectangular pixels (search the forums and Wikipedia).
I think here you ligst wrong:
The HD CMOS sensor of the HV10 with 2.96 mega pixels allows 1080i HD video in standard with a Resolutionvon 1920 x 1080
The Sonybringts on ~ 1,5 Megapixels and can not bring Resolutiondemnach Hungary
The term anamorphic compression - without Wikipedia - I so remember that due to the letterbox effect for PAL transfers the pixel "squashed" to be a greater density of information to reach. The pixel ratio of original 1:1,067 (I think) changes on 1:1,44 (The figures are certainly ganauen Wikipedia ;-)
Afterwards it will be then "entstaucht" s.Endgerät.
PAL plays at the tube TV is irrelevant, but in the coming devices such as plasma, projector or computer monitors relevant.
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Or übershe I what?
Gruss Chris
Antwort von Alpinist:
False, it is not what you write, just anamorph (stretch) is just NOT letterboxed (black bars in the solid material). And this format conversion is available for flat screens as synonymous for tube equipment relevant.
HDTV Pixels are square 1 * 1, HDV pixels are elongated 1 * 1.3 (but with square 1440px recorded, then rectangular with 1920px Width appear to be). It is synonymous with 1080i HDTV ~ 2MPix is not the same with 1080i HDV ~ 1,5 Mpix - only the number of rows (1080) is identical.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphe_Bildaufzeichnung
Regardless, I would have preferred a full recording synonymous when it 'only' 720p would ;-)
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Antwort von Martin:
The HD CMOS sensor of the HV10 with 2.96 mega pixels allows 1080i HD video in standard with a Resolutionvon 1920 x 1080 That may well be that the sensor can be in principle. The fact is, however, that contrary to the HDV standard for HDTV 1080i only 1440x1080 pixels interlaced in 16:9-format recording (no square pixels).
The Sonybringts on ~ 1,5 Megapixels and can not bring Resolutiondemnach Hungary But that is precisely the HDV resolution.
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von kiteschlampe:
Hello,
if my post through the top again, I must state that I have expressed myself unclear. I wanted no case against the Sonywettern, because I do not want to be misunderstood, please.
The HC3 skin naturally 16:9 ratio figure out. From the pixel density, it is 4:3. So it should be understood that.
Nevertheless, the Resolutionder HV10 with 1920 x 1080i, while others, for example, from the same home with 1440 x 1080i specified. So here is the figure EXACT relationship with the pixel density.
So in any event, I understand the details of the technical data on the Canon website that really 1920 x 1080i output.
What the matter with the 720p is concerned that all of us would probably prefer, especially in this price class, but I just had with HDV in sports so my problems and I think with frames would then be even larger.
Oh I wanted synonymous not mean that HDV with letterbox in direct connection is only from the story is to letterbox the "bad" for all the confusion.
Oh what I have grad mind. When I played back then synonymous purchasing the new FX7 of Sonywith, according to one expert, the synonymous with native HDV 1920 x 1080i raushauen. But perhaps there is someone here who told me if I am wrong decidedly explain.
SeeYaaa
Chris
Antwort von Martin:
Nevertheless, the Resolutionder HV10 with 1920 x 1080i, while others, for example, from the same home with 1440 x 1080i specified. So here is the figure EXACT relationship with the pixel density. Also by multiple repetition is not correct. Each HDV camcorder (which is one of the HV10) records in the HDV format. This has 2 options: 720p (1280 x 720) or 1080i (1440 x 1080). Which format of the image converter absorbs or somewhere Camera output is relatively insignificant: the recording is done in HDV, so typically in 1440 x 1080th
Perhaps a look at the specification: http://www.hdv-info.org/HDVSpecifications.pdf
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von PowerMac:
Martin is right. "Kiteschlampe," you're talking about, unfortunately, quite rubbish.
Antwort von Harald_:
since there are many professionals in the field of HD camcorder there I would like your opinion about the two camcorder know. Here
It seems to me that makes the HC1E in good light better than the HC3E. (I have both available.)
Greeting
Harald_
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
since there are many professionals in the field of HD camcorder there I would like your opinion about the two know Camcorders Professionals prefer to take the relatively blurred imaging HVR-FX1/Z1 ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
Or take the time to the new equipment of Canon, the XH A1.
And it is true: to know the specifications have never been wrong. The current units are all either HDV1 or HDV2 equipment. A full-HD Resolutionin of record will be the upcoming JVC Everio can.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Although the apparent sharpness of the new JVC rather then from the digital Bildprozesor is expected at the low number of pixels used there recording chips ...
Antwort von Alpinist:
Nevertheless, the Resolutionder HV10 with 1920 x 1080i, while others, for example, from the same home with 1440 x 1080i specified. So here is the figure EXACT relationship with the pixel density.
Also by multiple repetition is not correct. Each HDV camcorder (which is one of the HV10) records in the HDV format. This has 2 options: 720p (1280 x 720) or 1080i (1440 x 1080). Which format of the image converter absorbs or somewhere Camera output is relatively insignificant: the recording is done in HDV, so typically in 1440 x 1080th The only problem is that he is of the wrong info here quoted:
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/ Canon HV10.html
And here it is again:
http://www.camcorder-test.com/
Regards
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Antwort von jerazi:
... and if you have the part I with patience + luck nigelnagelneu and seal with stickers in the DVD for ¬ 730 including postage gets-what AMN want more?
Hello Wartifan,
I play at the time synonymous with the idea of me the HC3E zuzulegen.
At a price of 730 ¬, I would no longer synonymous hesitate and immediately strike. Can you not tell us where you HC3E get for this price? Thanks in advance.
Many greetings
Roger
Antwort von wartifan:
Ebay!
War of a private seller. Original undamaged cap seal on the label and all original packaging.
The reason of the sale, I can only guess: He needed money urgently, what I've noticed synonymous, because I do not like s.die Pack Station Nachnahme-Überweisung/Abholung rankam order, as the Post itself with the time Zustellkarte adopted.
But I must now also be purchased at Ebay Memory Stick Pro Dou 4GB return s.Sony.Total the defective part. If not detected in Cardreadern not synonymous.
Hopefully this is not to blame for the Cam ... Stick or China counterfeiting ne ...
Antwort von jerazi:
Schade, synonymous would like to benefit from such a bargain has come. But thanks again for your reply. Baruch Then I would no longer next looking for a dealer who makes such a Toppreis ;-)
Many greetings
Roger
Antwort von jerazi:
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Nevertheless, the Resolutionder HV10 with 1920 x 1080i, while others, for example, from the same home with 1440 x 1080i specified. So here is the figure EXACT relationship with the pixel density.
Also by multiple repetition is not correct. Each HDV camcorder (which is one of the HV10) records in the HDV format. This has 2 options: 720p (1280 x 720) or 1080i (1440 x 1080). Which format of the image converter absorbs or somewhere Camera output is relatively insignificant: the recording is done in HDV, so typically in 1440 x 1080th The only problem is that he is of the wrong info here quoted:
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/ Canon HV10.html
And here it is again:
http://www.camcorder-test.com/
Yes, if I am at times more testing of the "Slashcam" can depend on? Lost.
Martin is right. "Kiteschlampe," you're talking about, unfortunately, quite rubbish. Thank you. YOU have given me really helped. Do what's good for me ;-)
Chris
