Frage von sorption:
Hello,
in the next time I will be my next short film. At the moment I still consider what Camera I use for the rotation is. I would have been relatively favorable the opportunity s.eine SonyPDW-F350 ranzukommen. Actually I wanted to wait a while until I go into the HD-boarding technique and you can keep me for antiquated, but tapes are synonymous to me more than cartridges.
My question has anyone ever worked with this camera? I would be interested synonymous how Premiere Pro 2 with the Sony files for them (the clips are stored in a Sony-owned format).
I would be very excited to try out the camera, but it is still important to me, my project ready to make and not with technology problems.
Thank you in advance.
Gruß Alex
Antwort von PowerMac:
Only via the extension. If you think 350 euro is worth: http://www.digitalschnitt.de/produkte/software/mc_mpegprohd2.htm
Antwort von Markus:
Serially would probably Sony Vegas Video, but experience so I have not (yet).
Antwort von sorption:
I have already tasted Premiere enough I will stop and no additional money to spend.
I'm struggling with test reports and descriptions. I am still not entirely clear whether I, without additional plug-in for Premiere editing program or a new Sony not edit files or only in a very bad speed.
White perhaps synonymous someone whether there is the possibility the Sony files to disk to move in and convert to SD. Then later, I could but with its EDL list nem HDV-compatible editing a batch system, or not?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
White perhaps synonymous someone whether there is the possibility the Sony files to disk to move in and convert to SD. You could watch even in the Camera and herunterkonvertieren as SD output.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von sorption:
Then it would cut, but the batch via the EDL does not work anymore, or not? Or, the time code then synonymous in SD format embedded?
Antwort von Pianist:
I would have been relatively favorable the opportunity s.eine SonyPDW-F350 ranzukommen. Actually I wanted to wait a while until I go into the HD-boarding technique and you can keep me for antiquated, but tapes are synonymous to me more than cartridges. Buy or rent? This goes in your record is not clear. Unfortunately I could not yet free PDW-F350, but am very interested synonymous. What I've noticed so far: Of the few available anyway Halbzoll HD lenses bring only a very few really good results.
And relating to "tape or disc": If you want to stay at the tape, then just HD-Cam and DVCPro HD left. In both cases, would be to purchase an additional MAZ, while XDCAM HD directly by fire pond cut into the system can copy. In Avid you already have everything prepared for XDCAM HD.
Personally, I probably would have been against the long-term archiving on the Sony Professional Disc no concerns.
Matthias
Antwort von sorption:
Sorry, I forgot to mention. Of course, only rent. Otherwise, I would be a synonymous ordered editing program to buy, because Premiere is not the last word on the subject.
The camera will supposedly next week still a wide-angle lens and would be perfect for my rotation (small spaces).
Antwort von Pianist:
The camera will supposedly next week still a wide-angle lens and would be perfect for my rotation (small spaces). Previously well try it, there are many Halbzoll Scrap lenses in circulation. In this test sometimes quoted a British cameraman cut the Canon KH10ex3.6 very well, of another, he was very disappointed. I have Halbzoll lenses with no experience, only 2 / 3 inch. There is an adapter synonymous, but the angle is reduced then.
If you are very weitwinklig turn, but the front should be a decent compendium of it, because even then I would always be a French flag ( "Dacherl") dranmachen. It is not just more authority and better appearance of the camera, but you avoid Streulicheinflüsse and enhance the imaging performance of the property considerably.
Matthias
Antwort von pat16:
Hi!
>> Then it would cut, but the batch via the EDL does not work anymore, or not? Or, the time code then synonymous in SD format embedded?
To my knowledge, the time code is received, so that a batch-cut would go.
As standard, the systems FinalCut Vegas and the XDCAM HD format with 35-Mbps data rate, the Avid family beherscht the codec synonymous, but only up to 25 Mbit / s.
Aufapssen when you need to import. From the camera can be like a firewire card be accessed, but you need a Drivers of Sony, it's free there. Runs only on Windows.
Sonyhat repeatedly of a "reader" talked with the man throughout the material enifach on Rechenr can copy and back again synonymous. I have seen nothing yet. I will s.nächsten Thursday on the XDCAM roadshow then ask again.
Liebe Grüße
Pat
Antwort von Pianist:
The Avid family beherscht the codec synonymous, but only up to 25 Mbit / s. Something like one learns just the way? Are you as sure? I hardly believe that I would like to have a system where one HD with 25 MBit / s processed, that would be me even with SD too little. Then DVCPro HD back in the Course, because there are at least 100 Mbit / s and the Camera has 2/3-Inch-Chips. Even if I am on the road show should note that I like the picture, I would have in mind always s.die lean 25 MBit / s think ...
Matthias
Antwort von Marco:
With Vegas 7 is available in each XDCAM format / Resolutionvia Firewire (or optionally by Gbits Network) and imported back to disk to be exported. It can either be initially only the metadata, the proxy files, cut lists are imported and then later at the touch of the FullRes files be synonymous or equal FullRes the data is imported and processed. Also Essence markers are taken into account during the import.
Marco
Antwort von Pianist:
With Vegas 7 is available in each XDCAM format / Resolutionvia Firewire (or optionally by Gbits Network) and imported back to disk to be exported. That helps me not at all, I just found a new Avid Media Composer in operation. And since it is already a significant shortcoming that in connection with XDCAM HD with 35 had only held with 25 MBit / s to work with. If this really be true.
Matthias
Antwort von Bernd E.:
I suppose just a new Avid Media Composer in operation. And since it is already a significant shortcoming that in connection with XDCAM HD with 35 had only held with 25 MBit / s to work with. With Avid, I know I'm not, so I can only play what I wrote in an Avid info read: Xpress Pro can not, in fact, with the highest XDCAM HD quality level (just the 35 Mbit / s) and remains on bypass 25 MBit / sec. The Media Composer s.2.5 but with all three formats clear. A letter back to the disc, however, only s.der version 2.7 will be supported. Somewhere on the Avid website, there's everything to ensure the reading.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Pianist:
The Media Composer s.2.5 but with all three formats clear. * * Then puuuuuuh jag me such a fright not a ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von breakable:
The scrap with the lens is a good indication. Something like I have to
http://www.film-tv-video.de/Muß unbedingt mal nachhaken welches Lens dran kommt. Zur Zeit ist ein altes Fujinon of ner Betacam SP with nem Adapters dran.
@Pianist:
http://www.film-tv-video.de/Muß unbedingt mal nachhaken welches Lens dran kommt. Zur Zeit ist ein altes Fujinon of ner Betacam SP with nem Adapters dran.
@Pianist:
http://www.film-tv-video.de/Muß unbedingt mal nachhaken welches Lens dran kommt. Zur Zeit ist ein altes Fujinon of ner Betacam SP with nem Adapters dran.
@Pianist:
Antwort von Bernd E.:
404ERR
Antwort von PowerMac:
Check out these Lenses at times. Furchtbar silver-colored plastic - and labrig handling.
Antwort von Pianist:
Suddenly, however, mainly the Canon autofocus lens. And to me, however, synonymous honestly not entirely clear who is such a camera to submit - probably more professional - and then no manual focus control. Mir is synonymous cryptic, what this camera with this lens was put on the market. Probably the only reason to like the people on the 350er Lens with a reasonable direction.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
This adapter is the recognized focal 2/3-Inch-Optics extended - if I really had in mind, by a factor of 1.37. This affects the entire focal length range (you lose the win in Angleund Wide Tele) and so of course just the picture angle, which is of the focal subject. A factor of 1.37, I have synonymous in the mind. I am always afraid, of "focal length extension" to speak, because indeed the focal of the lens is not extended, but only the effect of focal, ie, the resulting angle of view, because only a small area of the chip is scanned. One should therefore rather of the "equivalent focal speak, and again this is too complicated.
But the practice can of course say so.
Matthias
Antwort von Bernd E.:
I am always afraid, of "focal length extension" to speak, because indeed the focal of the lens is not extended, but only the effect of the focal Since you have right of course! Is exactly the same principle as a small-lens reflex digital s.einer with non-Vollformatsensor: The physico-defined focal remains the same, just the picture angle is smaller.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Markus:
Even if I am on the road show should note that I like the picture, I would have in mind always s.die lean 25 MBit / s think ... That I thought initially synonymous, but finally the result counts, not the quantity s.Daten. What I like is s.XDCAM HD Professional Disc One random memory of this kind is already great. What I do not synonymous, the 1 / 2 "CCDs. This would be with 2 / 3" without question prefer.
Mir is synonymous cryptic, what this camera with this lens was put on the market. Probably the only reason to like the people on the 350er Lens with a reasonable direction. The principle of every beginner model. ;-)
Panasonic HDX900 For me, I must again detailed information. 4:2:2-Farbsampling would be nice of course, synonymous. ;-)
Antwort von PowerMac:
Or with the HD recorder:
http://panasonic.biz/sav/p2/ag-hpx500/index.html
Antwort von Valentino:
So, now again the change some tests with the F330 to make.
So because someone wanted to know how long the camera needs to start here's the answer: there are exactly 3 seconds and you can then immediately begin synonymous. It takes but then again a moment (approximately 2 seconds) until the camera starts on the Pro disk to write whatever it is that the camera only writes to a cache. Synonymous s.Anfang You hear a slight click when the camera starts to record to disc.
Otherwise the camera is super quiet.
From the layout of buttons and switches has been s.dem typical SonyBedinkonzept held that one is very similar to DigiBeta.
One innovation is the "Tumbes" button behind the door hidden behind the synonymous audio settings can be found. By clicking on the "Tumbes" button appears on the LCD viewfinders and the overview of the recorded clips man with a small joystick to select.
Recording formats are the three "HDV" format 18 (LP), 25 (SP) and 35 (HQ) with four each Mbit PCM soundtracks and DVCAM. The DV to DVCAM for XDCAM until the sound has no real benefits should be well known. But for the most interesting is that in DVCAM mode all frame rates work in 4:3 and 16:9 formats, such as synonymous may be recorded.
If you eg records with 50 fields and one half to 60 will change is the only one in which a new (formatted) disk is inserted. The change of 50i to 25p as synonymous of 60i to 30p or 24p is possible. The reason for the change of NTSC to PAL is not possible according to the different Sonyan on the disc Dateistruckturen So a similar problem but most know already of the HVX200. As far as I'm still somewhat surprised that the camera has the following options: 1 "Pal Area" 2 "NTSC Area" 3 NTSC (Japan) Area ".
The menu of the camera and is generally speaking very clearly and extensive. The only problem is that one of the submenus only very difficult to come to the main menu. Because the instructions of the XDCAM HD of course, only in two languages (English and Japanese) when I is approximately two days until I have it is accelerated.
A picture test and a few videos to follow soon.
Oh just to be cutting programs, I was very surprised to Liquid 7 XDCAM HD material with no significant problem. My favorite is but still XDCAM HD Final Cut Pro.
Antwort von Markus:
As far as I'm still somewhat surprised that the camera has the following options: 1 "Pal Area" 2 "NTSC Area" 3 NTSC (Japan) Area ". The distinction between PAL and NTSC is clearly yes. NTSC that again into two different groups will be located in different IRE levels justified.
Antwort von robbie:
NAB 2007 to be a 2 / 3 "version of XDCAM HD will be presented, with additional recording 50Mbit/sec, possible states, the IMX-HD. this is the final broadcast hd XDCAM format of sony's.
in europe, I appreciate that they are spring / summer 2008 is available. still enough time to save jungs ;)... Let's hope for a 0% lease transaction ;)...
schöne grüße!
robbie
Antwort von Pianist:
in europe, I appreciate that they are spring / summer 2008 is available. This coincides with my information. But it will likely to be considerably more expensive, it is actually double what the rumored price. So if you can wait and spend the money you should wait. But who wants to have what now, what works, available and affordable, you should buy now. I have a dull feeling that for me now is the right time and next year would be too late.
Matthias
Antwort von robbie:
I can input your thoughts precisely, pianist.
if ichs poetically expressed, then I would say the theme hd hangs like a sword of Damocles hanging over me.
The agonizing question is not only the time, but synonymous, the system (and the associated cost, the average new space, we do not want to talk) ...
if really double the price of the 350er talking, then we already s.die 50,000 times ... without objectively. if I remember that I, for example with the latest sony - aktion (16:9 to 4:3 against - because action) an HDW-750P by 37,000 war, SERVAS na ...
achgottachgott, what should I do? because I'm now sitting low I thor ... rum on my 400 .... and I hope that 2008 was for the war ..
schöne grüße!
robbie
Antwort von Pianist:
if I remember that I, for example with the latest sony - aktion (16:9 to 4:3 against - because action) an HDW-750P by 37,000 war, SERVAS na ... In the choice between HDCAM and XDCAM HD, but it is still synonymous in mind that when you HDCAM VTR s.Schnittplatz still a need for XDCAM HD can be completely eliminated, provided you with an editing system work, which is the native XDCAM-HD data processing. Since then reaches a fire pond s.Camera Parking.
If you currently with a BVW-400 turn, then you'll be safe but about ten years already in use, huh? Then, they often pay enough, and if you get it now against a PDW-F350 in givest payment, since the action is synonymous yes, you get the new mill for around 18,000 EUR. Then, a Fujinon XS17x5.5 about this and you're well prepared. Your old Lens, you can certainly still synonymous with making money.
And if it HDCAM be: Do you have one or 750, a 730er?
What did you think for clients? Are you as I complete movies or are you freelance cameraman who has the tape editor in the hand? Then it would clarify what your customers actually want. But I guess you're like me free in the choice of format and therefore falls to you the decision synonymous so hard, right?
Matthias
Antwort von robbie:
yes, that was synonymous only with computed examples of HDCAM. which I would, just because of the maz, tend not to take anyway. I also know that we have in the styria in just a moment ... there HDCAM and not even this kollege is busy.
the use of the camera is of course the main point because of the format choice. if I am given purely on the editorial contributions of orf have decided, then I would buy me an IMX need. but then you can not really do other things more, because production in IMX None pays you (would also turn the maz and the average space-key) ...
All because I still synonymous to do besides the study (or studies aside, I do not quite so clear;)), I have precisely the right format choice ensured.
I am for local and private broadcasters underway, there is always the standard DVCAM. and s.and be honest, I have some editorial contributions in orf make you call me because the editor always s.wenn what he needs.
Another problem the fact that I am much more with another firm, and therefore, we both have the same equipment and use the same software, in order to facilitate the workflow.
so at the moment, we produce a weekly magazine show, from the then s.herbst half an hour daily program will be using dvb-t s.200.000 budgets.
and the live broadcasts or recordings will be more and more synonymous actually almost more than the other content.
for these purposes is a truck in planning, the wishes I have for use in s.2009/10. tja, mein kleiner UEHD1 fine: P
Oh, and the choice ... no, actually, the decision for XDCAM HD already fallen. The question is now just the right time.
schöne grüße,
robbie
Antwort von Pianist:
actually, the decision for XDCAM HD already fallen. The question is now just the right time. Look at your calendar. As is the right time. Yes, exactly where you've just your fingers.
Matthias
Antwort von robbie:
you will not believe it, but just thought I would go tomorrow maybe times to my system outfitter to drive * g *...
and although the thought makes me of the 330er not happening, now with dierser 4:3 eintauschaktion and 0% of the lease, because I come away quite pricey ...
the only thing I thought s.diesem still haunts the optics. this canon - though dransteckt because I do not really. automatic and I still need less ;)... yes I would continue my old optics, with an adapter ... although, with the focal length of the ... naja .. schaun times ...
what did you decide?
schöne grüße,
robbie
Antwort von Pianist:
and although the thought makes me of the 330er not los No, please not now. If XDCAM HD, then please at least 350er and Fujinon XS17x5.5 them. The 330er's really only for the incentives, not to rotate ... :-)
And the included Canon is a fragment. You use the opportunities and the quality of the system in order None ways. Not even if you have an SD adapter with optics continue.
Matthias
Antwort von robbie:
yes, the canon is certainly the largest blödsinn s.der fact that is obvious to me.
The question is whether the slow motion function and the hd-sdi output s.der 350er really 10,000 euros are worth more.
ok, it is objectively with almost 7.000 dollars actually quite favorable * g *...
if I actually used to 330er would decide, then it would be now anyway an interim solution for about 1.5 years ...
schöne grüße!
robbie
Antwort von Pianist:
if I actually used to 330er would decide, then it would be now anyway an interim solution for about 1.5 years ... Interim solutions can be expensive. Why even an interim solution? When I finally 350er for "good" the relevant time, and come to the conclusion that my Halbzoll chips and the 35x data aumachen nothing, then I will buy and as long as possible. When it comes back ten years, let me be perfectly legal. Even though I fear that the intervals are shorter, but it is hoped may some day.
By the way, the 330er is generally discouraged, which is generally not as robust and powerful. Also, the viewfinders be a disaster. And would you really a mill with a silver casing would like to have?
Matthias
Antwort von Gummi:
no, a mill with a silver housing is probably the ultimate horror: P. ..
but what comes as portabrace ;)...
yes, the viewfinder is certainly a very decisive argument ... which alone will cost quite new mouse 2800 times. when is 350er he ...
I am going again tomorrow with my system-maintained equipment.
in the standard configuration with the objective of thee above all the fun comes to almost exactly 30,000 ... is worth it for sure !....
achja that love money ... * g *... I want to leave synonymous nor drive ;)...
what have you bought now?
schöne grüße!
Antwort von robbie:
that was me;)
robbie
Antwort von BjörnF:
To Nochwas relating to time in the round throwing: This year it will probably synonymous nor an XDCAM HD with 2 / 3 "chips and higher HD-enter data ...
Good, that I must not decide ;-)
Björn
Antwort von Pianist:
To Nochwas relating to time in the round throwing: This year it will probably synonymous nor an XDCAM HD with 2 / 3 "chips and higher HD-enter data ... Good morning! Did the Lord synonymous slept well? :-)
You do not read the thread completely before what you write, right? But for you personally again: A camera has been a long time ago announced times, and for this NAB, which takes place in a few weeks. For the European market, there are currently only a vague statement unofficial, the more so "next year at this time, and then to a much higher price" is.
Matthias
Antwort von BjörnF:
Ähmm - Somehow, the end of the first Page I can not really arrived ;-)
Björn
Antwort von Markus:
... Let's hope for a 0% lease transaction ;)... The can be relatively easy to negotiate. Simply tell the dealer, he should immediately call when Sony re-makes such an action.
Then you buy a camera.
I have this tip of the way, my system will outfitter. The would then turn s.Sonywenden and say that a camera can sell if ... ;-)
Antwort von robbie:
Sodalla, and another chapter relating to XDCAM-HD ...
I have both cameras again yesterday, viewed, and me synonymous with the issue of new models apart.
What I absolutely will make is that I will wait for NAB. Even though I've already decided.
And although the 350er. At Lens, I am still undecided. Maybe I take the same synonymous Fujinon wide. But this decision has still time.
As the transition date I have for the autumn of this year decided. There is therefore synonymous nor enough time, a few mice on the Page to create ;)...
I want in a lessee is not only a month to scrape together the money must be, if bad times come ;)...
The 350 will cost an estimated 22,000 ... 10% deposit are almost 20,000 lease for 24 months. s.die which are in turn fixed costs 800 euros more in monthly ...
Anyway, man with XDCAM HD not wrong ....
schöne grüße,
robbie
Antwort von Pianist:
Today was held in Berlin, "Sony Media Solutions Roadshow" instead. Was the site of the former substation in the eastern district of Friedrichshain. To make it in advance to: The event was interesting, but not synonymous as helpful as I had hoped it to me. The lectures focused almost exclusively around the issue of the "workflows" of XDCAM HD. This is now exactly the area that is disputed s.wenigsten. For me, the decisive factors, namely the depth and the data could not be assessed because it s.den corresponding sample shots with the PDW-F350 missing.
That which is within one of the lectures on a large screen was shown, let me rather doubt. So I will in the coming days, a camera under realistic conditions to test and then the images and colors relating Compression judge. What struck me today, but now waiting for the PDW-F350 noticed: It is very difficult in the (s.sich sufficiently large) Viewfinder sharpness absolutely correctly. Looking at the picture on the connected HD display, you would still times the fraction of a millimeter adjust. All this, however, from open-aperture and a means to Endbrennweite adapter mounted 2/3-Inch-HD-Broadcastoptik.
From work with the "Professional discs" but I'm very excited, this is a great solution. Now I must just busy next test and then find a solution. So far I do not immediately shout "hurray", but I have the system still fails to be synonymous.
Matthias
Antwort von robbie:
Thanks for your impressions!
The fact that the workflow with XDCAM to deny is was clear, and I think that at the moment Sonyhier still some teething problems so on to cover * g *...
Would be very interesting indeed some screenshots of 350er - Footage. If you have the opportunity, when your test to those that would be really a hit! :)
The problem with the sharpness of pulling surprises me now, however, at least in conjunction with the viewfinders of the 350er.
I was actually with the viewfinders of the 300 even good results, even though he's not really the yellow from the egg is.
But let us be surprised what NAB brings ...
As I said, screenshots would be a hit ;)...
Schöne Grüße,
Robbie
Antwort von Pianist:
Would be very interesting indeed some screenshots of 350er - Footage. I fear that screenshots to assess a moving camera is not much good. But look what I do kan.
Matthias
Antwort von robbie:
This is obvious to me;) * gg *...
thank you in advance, if it is not synonymous no problem, then I look at the system with my own equipment, but at the moment, I am unfortunately a bit of stress in ...
schöne grüße!
robbie
Antwort von sorption:
The theme of this brings such a response I would have never thought.
Now everything is in the box and I asked for the 350 decided. In retrospect, I am very happy and can really only good on the Camera reported. We had the Fujinon wide angle lens is available that is really good. The Drehbdingungen were not always easy, but it's all gone well. I did not want to be the typical video look and the cameraman has immediate range and makes the numerous recruitment opportunities.
Actually, I hate it when after a Take viewed this again, but we could not always connect a monitor. In this respect, it is very luxurious which takes on the disc to be able to directly control and synonymous the script has had it much easier just to write down Clipnummern as timecode.
If you're interested in times I can post individual frames. However, we have rotated at 50i.
Antwort von christianfuchs:
The theme of this brings such a response I would have never thought.
Now everything is in the box and I asked for the 350 decided. In retrospect, I am very happy and can really only good on the Camera reported. We had the Fujinon wide angle lens is available that is really good. The Drehbdingungen were not always easy, but it's all gone well. I did not want to be the typical video look and the cameraman has immediate range and makes the numerous recruitment opportunities.
Actually, I hate it when after a Take viewed this again, but we could not always connect a monitor. In this respect, it is very luxurious which takes on the disc to be able to directly control and synonymous the script has had it much easier just to write down Clipnummern as timecode.
If you're interested in times I can post individual frames. However, we have rotated at 50i. Hi,
we work synonymous with the PDW-F350 and have found that the camera delivers very different picture. The Picture krisselt in the dark places and is muddy, but what is on the monitor does not monitor.
Do it for different lighting situations, presets for gamma values or Misc. set? If you Krisseln noticed a synonymous?
We have the XS17x5.5 Fujinon Lens.
Many greetings,
Christian
Antwort von Pianist:
The Picture krisselt in the dark places and is muddy, but what is on the monitor does not monitor. Among other things, these deficiencies in the darker color reproduction, the camera with me to flunk. But it is probably of a relatively simple camera head, the subsequent signal processing / compression and the meager 35MBit/s-Aufnahmeformat not expect much more. That is and remains a bad compromise, and that for this camera is too much money paid.
Matthias
