Infoseite // Super 8 Abfilmen - 18/24 images simply switch?

Frage von juergen78:


Hello!

Would like to Super-8 movies (without sound) with my DV-Cam abfilmen.

The films were with 18 B / s gefilmmt, so there is this flicker, which is already a bit better when using a sheet of paper with the DV Cam abfilmmt.

Our Super8 projector Eumig (Model I grad not there) you can switch to 24B / s but then sees the movie on the big screen as Zeitpupe from isrgendwie.

How should I proceed, it is easy to 24B / s switch and abzufilmen normal, unfortunately my DV Cam, the shutter speed is not one. control.

PS: Did the White balance and focus on autom. focus when I notice no Unteschied whether manually or automatically. But at White Balance the Camera already change the color, bad - better Schnittporgramm?

Thank you!



Antwort von mann:

Hello,
I have recently copied some text (do not even know where), because I'm interested in the topic synonymous. Perhaps you will find it a useful reference.
I've used it to lookup here copied:
http://bomdia.de/super8.html

Greeting



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Mann" wrote: ... had recently copied some text (do not even know where) ...
The original text, including photos and video examples can be found here:
www.videoschnitt-digital.de/ video -Tipp/video-tipp.html

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Klick auf diesen Tipp of mir...



Antwort von Meggs:

"juergen78" wrote:
Our Super8 projector Eumig (Model I grad not there) you can switch to 24B / s but then sees the movie on the big screen as Zeitpupe from isrgendwie.

How should I proceed, it is easy to 24B / s switch and abzufilmen normal, unfortunately my DV Cam, the shutter speed is not one. control.

PS: Did the White balance and focus on autom. focus when I notice no Unteschied whether manually or automatically. But at White Balance the Camera already change the color, bad - better Schnittporgramm?

Thank you!

If you have the shutter speed when your camcorder can not adjust, he is really inappropriate.
What happens when you post pictures to 24? Is it better or flickering away? If yes - just abfilmen and in the editing program to reduce speed accordingly.
Otherwise: strictly manual focus and manual white balance.



Antwort von juergen78:

"Megger" wrote:
If you have the shutter speed when your camcorder can not adjust, he is really inappropriate.
What happens when you post pictures to 24? Is it better or flickering away? If yes - just abfilmen and in the editing program to reduce speed accordingly.
Otherwise: strictly manual focus and manual white balance.

Na toll ... :-(
I do not at least partly, perhaps, but I know nothing of synonymous to a three-wing Aperture - synonymous what ever that is, not credible that our projector has something, perhaps it is not synonymous with a much better 24B / s.

The comic is yes, the flicker part really almost did not exist (I am especially attracted to indoor shots) and sometimes it knocks pretty bad - happens to me especially in the sunny outdoor shots.

Is actually synonymous weird, huh? Actually, should always equal to flicker?

Then I will with the manual white balance (indoor, outdoor) and man. Focus on work.

LG
Juergen



Antwort von juergen78:

"Bruno Peter" wrote:



Antwort von b139b:

Use Magix 2007/08 With the VirtualDub filter, you can include. If you are a little googelst, you will find a filter which the flicker completely eliminated properly.

Actually you have to the film projector can be finely adjusted.



Antwort von Axel:

Another tip is: Do not darken.
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Antwort von juergen78:

Hello!

So thank you times in between times for the whole answer!

Sunday.

So this VirtualDub filter, I have already downloaded but not yet tried - but it still ..

What irritates me a little is the fact that the "pump" (a "just" flicker would not be disturbed) partially wirlich is barely noticeable (as is it really a light flicker) and some very noticeable is - what the depends ->? kA

Is this the "Filmmern" at stake (18 fps to 50 fields / s?) Or has a different background?

Thank you / LG
Jueregn



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Yes clearly, the projector is not always synonymous constant ...
With a sync control how I use it is by the pulse of the video projector is synchronously controlled.

With a projector aperture with three sectors, the projector with 50 / 3 frames per second running ...



Antwort von beiti:

It is important that the speed of the projector can regulate. Some have already given a control, others you need to convert this.
I have had an ordinary dimmer before the network connection from the projector and then running the demonstration so far slowed until the flicker was gone.
Whether that works with the dimmer, but depends of the functioning of the projector motor. With my (old farmer) was in any case.

Purely mathematical terms would be optimal 16 2 / 3 frames per second - then 1 Super-8-Picture always to 3 video fields. Disadvantage is the slowdown - although not as bad, as long as it has no sound.

Alternative would be an acceleration to 25 frames per second, ie 1 movie on 2 video fields, and then a slowdown in a good video program, the intermediate images (like in slow motion, or subsequent to the PAL-NTSC conversion).



Antwort von juergen78:

Hello!

Unfortunately I have not the exact Model, bin grad in the work, but he looks almost exactly like this ..

http://cgi.ebay.de/Eumig-Mark-S807D_W0QQitemZ290201930900QQihZ019QQcategoryZ8271QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Maybe yes who knows the part .. On the second picture above left you can see small black switch to 18/24 images.

Go here with a dimmer, somebody knows?

Thank you!
Juergen



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

The dimmer switch you but between projector and wall outlet ...
But it can be that the projector stops.

Times have to open up the projector, perhaps to the motor-board potentiometer, it can rotate and adjust speed. That is not constant, not synonymous with the dimmer version.

You can try synonymous which is a switching of the projector at 60Hz brings ...

Many variants are available on the HP of those above me to find.



Antwort von studio tre:

Ok as far as clear, but what've tried and now I'm not so sure ..

http://members.inode.at/j.haeusler/test.avi

Schaut bitte mal ... (324x240 - only illustrative)

First projection on silver screen, then I slide a normal 80g white Kopierpaier between geb ichs and then away again - you'll see the difference?

And why now, the impact on the image number, I really do not understand!

Who can explain me?

Thank you!



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Amazingly, you will explain to us what it is ...
The exposure meter?

Body exposure to manual a ...



Antwort von juergen78:

So "what" it is I do not know, but I just happens that it is not so bad "knocks" when I everything goes into the Camera of autom. to man. imagine (as you will not blind but the quality. is still modest) and that would be:

1. white balance
2. Focus
3. Exposure: And here just a regulator of light to dark, as no figures or (eg 1 / 50 shutter so these values) or so can. Or is that the Aperture .. Hm stupid if you always confuse the two ..

So is this "thump" on the video without paper not only the frequency history but because of the previously synonymous wrong "Camera-on-all-automatic mode"?

Incidentally .. what is a pot?

Have actually a SonyDCR-HC27E (MiniDV).

Thank you
Juergen



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Shutter and Aperture on 1/50tel to manual pumps in order to stop.






Antwort von juergen78:

I can see the shutter speed is not one. set, but a controller for Aperture of light to dark.

The Camera can Bedienungsaleitung lt 1 / 50 - 1 / 3500.

-> When I get to hell gaaaanz RESTRICT should then actually the 1 / 50, or? Then the whole picture stop light because the aperture is open as long.

Is that so?

THANK YOU!

LG
Juergen



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

How do you only sowas?

No, you have to select the shutter speed to 1 / 50 second set. If you have such an attitude is not directly, then there is this shutter speed is often hidden in an AE mode, for example in the "Sport" mode of the camera. Without such an attitude is nothing in Dir

During playback the camera can often be the camera-recording data of the recording is made on the monitor display output. Check where the closure time of the recording.

Your camera must be absolutely familiar with a little better!



Antwort von juergen78:

First: I do not know, I need to look at me

Second: This is the manual I've already seen where I will watch me

Third: Was not necessary, because the "great automatic" yes everything is so good that you just press up Knopferl and it must be outside in the garden (!) Is a beautiful recording for example. of the children.

I look and am again.

/ / EDIT:
Hab grad viewed online manual, therefore, seems to be on the Cam, then I will try it tonight! ;-)
LG Juergen

Thanks in any case, times!
Juergen



Antwort von juergen78:

A question about this yet ..

would be with 1 / 50 s.ehesten the "sports mode" is the right?

Because then I start with the s.zum shutter examine what he has.

Thank you!



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"juergen78" wrote: ... would be with 1 / 50 s.ehesten the "sports mode" is the right?!
Quite the contrary: When Sports (= fast moving subjects) would be more of a very short exposure time needed, and apparently not the longest, the camera has to offer.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von juergen78:

Ha, I thought that I have .. I then take the evening twilight, and so start times! : o)

Thank you!
Juergen



Antwort von Meggs:

What kind of camcorder do you use anyway?



Antwort von juergen78:

"Megger" wrote: What kind of camcorder do you use anyway?

SonyDCR-HC27E (MiniDV)



Antwort von Meggs:

Synonymous me I've looked through the manual. You're right - never a word about the exposure time. The automatic aperture dynamically changed and exposure time, probably synonymous in all modes. Therefore, the flickering image synonymous with bright places much stronger than in the dark, so the effect synonymous with the paper. In this particular exposure situation, the camcorder seems to 1 / 50 asked.
As the only trial and error. I would s.deiner times body with the sheet of paper trying. If you are lucky, it is always so, and the camcorder is in this situation at 1 / 50. If there are still bodies in light begins to flicker, exposure to a dark place.






Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Excerpt from my S8 Transfer Instructions:

Quote: The HDV camcorder HDR-HC3E must now go to a shutter speed of 1/50sec set. Putting in the Monitor menu to AUTO VERSCHL to "off", then we get the desired constant shutter speed of 1 / 50 second to flicker recordings for them.



Antwort von juergen78:

@ Megger:
So .. yes it is synonymous with paper partially (!) unbearable, BUT I have the AE program has not yet been used and therefore the hope is not yet completely abandoned.

Bruno @ Peter:
Thanks for the info, but I have this camera and they can not do that, or do I stand aufm hose ..

There is this attitude, the so what to do?
http://members.inode.at/j.haeusler/img.png
(copy & paste is not copying no time ;-))

Thank you / LG
Jueregn



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Nöö, I did not of Aperture, but recording time talking ...
With my example, I wanted to show you just synonymous, where 1/50sec can be hidden.

At my old camcorder SonyD8 there was the closing time 1/50sec in program AE function "sunset" ...



Antwort von juergen78:

Recording time? Sorry, I do not ... * bin doof *

So for me there is this AE for dusk, and fireworks and so next, so I'm already excited because synonymous drauf. I only hope that this is not automatic then again depending on the mood and desire for light and corrected and then it does not fit.

LG
Juergen



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Then, unfortunately, I'm going next synonymous not help ...

One last advice:

Activate automatic AB!



Antwort von babalu:

"Bruno Peter" wrote: Activate automatic AB!
Howler's not too RUM!



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Pruuust ...
Beautiful evening!



Antwort von Meggs:

"juergen78" wrote:
There is this attitude, the so what to do?
http://members.inode.at/j.haeusler/img.png


Try the Off setting. Looks as if the "electronic aperture" of Sonydie shutter speed automatic transmission is available (in English manuals is because "Electronic Auto Shutter ', which is already clear). Possibly. the shutter speed is then in an AE program constant at 1 / 50.



Antwort von DeeZiD:

Hello!

So first .. the Bruno may have a little bit louder, which has helped me fine ;-) Tip of the AE with things quite a lot ;-)

So, as I now am in the Cam - short update:

Did the "EL. FADER" Off and the AE mode dusk taken everything else (White balance, focus, exposure) is to MANUALLY. If I have movies, then he starts actually s.with "50", but then goes over 60 to 100 if I have room to standing-halogen lamp to go. So why this EL. FADER - Sony kram! ;-) Must go but the thing to overexpose * grr *

Now I control the times for the exposure to three "pushers" in the direction where dark, now remains synonymous with the lamp to 50 Das find ich ok, because we can not look inside, so bright that it will probably synonymous with the S8 hinhauen, unfortunately, is the stuff with my parents.

Will report on further experiments. I find it very silly, moreover, that the values only get AFTER the recording and not during, since one could intervene ..

So I register again if I can play again.

LG
Juergen






Antwort von juergen78:

Who's interested - responses from Sony:

Quote:
1) There are, unfortunately, we no specification is available, which is what s.ehesten Program AE shutter speed, is for this reason I would recommend this just to try out.

2) The function EL. FADER used when very bright light is excluded and the Aperture to be very, is the electronical Picture (!) Darkened to avoid overexposed video.

Yours sincerely,
Your Sony B team info


So point 2 is a kind of electric. Emergency brake. The response from Sony's support came after an hour! - Insanity, or!

LG
Juergen



Antwort von Meggs:

"juergen78" wrote: Who's interested - responses from Sony:

Quote:
1) There are, unfortunately, we no specification is available, which is what s.ehesten Program AE shutter speed, is for this reason I would recommend this just to try out.

2) The function EL. FADER used when very bright light is excluded and the Aperture to be very, is the electronical Picture (!) Darkened to avoid overexposed video.

Yours sincerely,
Your Sony B team info


So point 2 is a kind of electric. Emergency brake. The response from Sony's support came after an hour! - Insanity, or!

LG
Juergen

The answer came quickly and is not telling. Not even Sony Elberfeld knows what the AE.Programs in Sony cameras actually do.
What do you have under "electronical darkened" understand? Normally, the exposure time is shortened if the Aperture and still too much light is there, or an ND filter is upstream. The support has really only the manual cited.



Antwort von juergen78:

Yes, You've right, but was not so severe, probably was the Japanese (or Japanese computer), the chip is programmed just for a coffee ;-)

In any case, I am yesterday evening with the very well-written method hingekommen.

Us at home when the crap from the window-replacement is gone and the new living room cabinet, then I get the projector synonymous of my parents again and I will play extensively because times before I Nochwas abfilme ..

LG
Juergen