Frage von Klaus-Dieter:
Hello and Happy New Year,
I have a few days and still nothing rumgegoogelt proper place. For this year I broke my digital archiving my Super8 material made.
Abfilmen of the canvas or glass screen schliesse I made for quality reasons.
The Telecine method
http://www.telecine.de/
I would first exclude. On this issue, there synonymous very many posts here and in other forums. So I pointed synonymous not want next.
I have no contributions and exchanges of experience found on the Super8 frame photography and scanning.
Has anyone been through this experience and the scan method?
Possibly a German link to a DIY page.
Gruß Klaus-Dieter
Antwort von beiti:
Has anyone been through this experience and the scan method?
Possibly a German link to a DIY page. I had some time before even looking - and then abandoned. Useful information can be found, I have unfortunately not alone and I'm just not far.
From the host side, could I build with my DSLR, Macro lens and / or macro lenses imagine and synonymous with the automatic recording software merging numbered frames seemed feasible.
I failed, however s.einer device to the individual exactly halfway position. I always thought s.einen rebuilt projector, but since I lacked the material and mechanical experience.
Antwort von Eggerd:
Hello
Read this link times
http://www.hennek-homepage.de/video/super8-alt.htm
Peter Bruno of Hennek. Tip No. 6 of Dr. Wolfgang Leidholdt would be suitable for you. Is already fairly old, the newer versions on the Web are synonymous Hennek interesting. I'm still on about what this would be best for me.
mfG Eggerder
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
I failed, however s.einer device to the individual exactly halfway position. I always thought s.einen rebuilt projector, but since I lacked the material and mechanical experience. And since the focus on this issue ..... there is nothing to find.
Hab in magazines Schmallfilm sowas found.
But it works only with login and the last 2-3 pages are missing.
http://schmalfilm.schiele-schoen.de/a8966/Ueberspielen_selbst_gemacht_Der_Schmalfilmdigitalisierungsautomat_als_Einzelbild_Abtaster.html
I have my most Schmallfilm order to be read next. And I think I s.ende smarter'm not synonymous, because switching plans, construction and function are not described in detail.
I'm still on about what this would be best for me.
mfG Eggerder Always comes to the number of coils Super8 see above that an effort is worthwhile. Eg I have about 3500m Super8 material.
Telecine advantage is, of course, the real-time transfer.
But you'll always be a problem with palpation get ...
1. Picture - sharp
2. Picture - sharp
3. Picture - Uncertain
Also, the image sharpness is not comparable with a good sampling of Filmabtast company.
Even if you are with an HD Camera abfilmst. You get no sharp increase, on the contrary, the film grain is more strengthened.
But that should not be synonymous here so the topic.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Even if you are with an HD Camera abfilmst. You get no sharp increase, on the contrary, the film grain is more strengthened. The film with the grain is more of a rumor in my practical experience ...
One HD Studio is worthwhile for transfer to Blu-ray and today's large HDTV. In each case, one in the Best Recording in HD source material, especially when you compare it directly to the hard drive of the PC as intra frame HQ AVI recording. From here you great on Blu-ray or by down-scaling to SD DVD ...
The mentioned third picture has a Halbbildbewegungsunschärfe recordings with moving camera or moving objects. It falls within the playback on your HDTV / SDTV hardly.
My example in 576i Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/1427816
My example at Vimeo in 720p: http://www.vimeo.com/1422590
It sees everything later with appropriate postprocessing of a disc, very good!
In 2009, we are probably close to being a recording camera to get the 50 frames per second can hold. Cameras with 30p recording, there is already since 2008, especially in the field of digital photography. This will again push for a quality video transfer type!
Who not to wait for 1080-50p might already times with 720-50p in the video transfer start ...
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
In 2009, we are probably close to being a recording camera to get the 50 frames per second can hold. Cameras with 30p recording, there is already since 2008, especially in the field of digital photography. This will again push for a quality video transfer type!
Who not to wait for 1080-50p might already times with 720-50p in the video transfer start ... That is again associated with additional cost - a (good) new 1080p, the camera records is probably in the price of Regions over 1000 Euro dispersed.
I personally do not buy me every 3-4 years a new Camera. That although the industry would like to advertise with and the quality of growth, etc. But a significant increase in quality of HDV to AVCHD, I could from my own experience and reports in various forums, trade magazines do not represent. Even if your / our awaited 1080p material, but you have to give you times to ask how often you already have your material transferred.
1 * in Pal
1 * in HDV
and possibly 2009 in 1080p
Whether the new camera (your favorite, the JVC-study) überhaubt an Synk signal is the next question (Panasonic HDC-SD 100).
As you get a quality boost for the video transfer was hoping - I would say that you actually have not even been properly're happy.
Therefore, I am just here the question - Is the Abfotografieren or scanning every Einzelbides perhaps the best qualitative method.
One problem could be naturally auftretten - The number of pixels, for example 6-12-megapixel, what happens here.
Scanning - 3600 dpi ....... what happens here.
Gruß Klaus Dieter
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Just Put a piece of film on the scanner and teste ...
The innovation is based on the fact that we are no longer with Interlecad video will have to deal ...
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Just Put a piece of film on the scanner and teste ...
If I would have ....
Antwort von beiti:
Is this Abfotografieren or scanning every Einzelbides perhaps the best qualitative method.
One problem could be naturally auftretten - The number of pixels, for example 6-12-megapixel, what happens here. Because nothing happened - except that you can get crazy large files, which you then return to a video format down must reckon.
Scanning - 3600 dpi ....... what happens here. Very little - purely in time. Scanning is done so line by line, and even the good film scanners need for a slide with dust and scratch correction over 1 minute. If there is such a scanner for a Super-8-drawer there (as, for example, it automatically synonymous APS injections are) you would still be less than 10 seconds processing time per picture. Even at only 18 fps then take the 15 minute scan a strip 45 hours.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
I think the synonymous to the scanning time can be seen to exclude.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
The data size is relatively no preference - where today 1TB costs about 70 euros.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Seems I have on the BPH-HP a very interesting link overlooked.
http://home-entertainment.magnus.de/foto-video/artikel/film-transfer-super-8-filme-digitize.html
Super8 scan:
http://hosting.aktionspotenzial.de/CineToVidWiki/index.php/Hauptseite
What about the test file (~ 226 MB) of this page times on DVD and pulled s.Screen considered. Grausig .....
Antwort von beiti:
http://hosting.aktionspotenzial.de/CineToVidWiki/index.php/Hauptseite
What about the test file (~ 226 MB) of this page times on DVD and pulled s.Screen considered. Grausig ..... So "gruesome" I think it's not. However, there seems to be a few technical shortcomings, particularly the sharpness of pumps, I imagine that the individual strip of film being scanned were not fully planned.
My best attempts (conventional with Abfilmen) looked just like this:
http://www.file-upload.net/download-1355028/beiti_super8_test.mpg.html
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
However, there seems to be a few technical shortcomings, particularly the sharpness of pumps, I imagine that the individual strip of film being scanned were not fully planned. The Telecine method to get significantly better results.
In your results, I would be very unhappy synonymous. Obviously the Super8 material, but you see almost no details, such as facial or a vehicle mark.
I look again a few samples out of me.
Have already with glass screen and Telecine film transfer attempts.
I build a somewhat larger times mpeg2 movie file.
Then you can look at my results.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Sampling Frame:
Unfortunately my English is not very good .....
http://www.moviestuff.tv/transfers.html
Test Movie - Only you have the result of Uncompressed and in a larger view presentation.
http://www.moviestuff.tv/baby.mpg
Antwort von beiti:
Test Movie - Only you have the result of Uncompressed and in a larger view presentation.
http://www.moviestuff.tv/baby.mpg I think it looks damn good.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
So these are my tests.
One should test these video files to DVD and burn on the national television and regarded judge.
Telecine
http://www.file-upload.net/download-1356267/test111111.mpg.html
Glass Screen
http://www.file-upload.net/download-1356208/test222.mpg.html
Dubbing service 1
http://www.file-upload.net/download-1356192/test333333.mpg.html
Dubbing Service 2
http://www.file-upload.net/download-1356168/test44444444.mpg.html
Antwort von beiti:
Am currently in the process of me the whole thing on DVD to be drawn. Unfortunately, No. 1 (Telecine) in 16:9 with bars left / right. Is the system, or you have it later converted?
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Was shot with a Canon HV20 in mpeg2HD format 1440 * 1080. Caused system is 16:9 Incorporated. I had only my 16:9 PAL DVD version lying. The original is landed in the trash.
Antwort von Modellbahner:
The best example I liked even 4 (dubbing service 2). Which service was it?
Gruß Bernd
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Since we are both in agreement.
I was already full of my adopted home transfers. My rebuilt projector I've wanted to E-Bay sale and the money thus received for the transfer issue. Had already negotiated price and everything.
For some reason I have another 2 more films, on a relative there submitted.
The result was, among all Saturday .. , had nothing more with this first quality.
Now I start again in front of s.and looking for a new method.
The company I do not want to mention. She was, however, the test of the magazines Schmallfilm among the Top 10
Gruß Klaus-Dieter
Antwort von beiti:
Now I have all 4 versions on DVD and viewed in succession.
Really disappointing I find the telecine version (in 16:9). Particularly disturbing to many ausgefressenen points.
The glass screen version I like actually quite good. Only the white balance is too warm, but that should in some way to change. (I myself have noticed that the white balance when Abfilmen is problematic. It has usually not mehrsekündig shot Graufläche, you could use.)
The two dubbing service options do I find synonymous okay.
(Of course a pity if the quality has now abated. Synonymous This shows how an individual is a sampling, and that there is always strong on personnel matters.)
About Service 1 seems to play differently with the frame rate deal as 2nd dubbing service In Ü1 affect the movements of soft, but sometimes synonymous washy. In Ü2 everything is always sharp, but there is more jerky.
For fun, I have my own example synonymous something again renewed (color and brightness correction) and think it is now no longer so bad.
The richness of detail is probably already starting material is not so great. This I know because I am now a Comparison of the film one frame with DSLR, Macro lens and intermediate rings have photographed (see Annex).
Unfortunately, the DV material is by far not as large as the reserves editing Still image from my DSLR. You should therefore already in the scanning camera (brightness, white balance. Kontraste) are better adjusted.
One of the problems were and are the harsh contrasts. Maybe I'll start a new experiment with my new Canon HF100 and the Cinegamma mode.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Really disappointing I find the telecine version (in 16:9). Particularly disturbing to many ausgefressenen points. I'm trying out my daily Telecine scanning rebuild. And with new tests begin
One consequence of the ausgefressenen agencies could be the half-order is no longer true.
I have the camera upside down nähmlich on (this took me only once, mirrors), so that the upper half is actually the bottom.
But I think that I had taken into account - I check in any case again.
The Canon HV20 is so synonymous in 25p shooting mode. At that time I was able to between 25p and 50i mode no discernible quality differences.
Maybe I'll start a new experiment with my new Canon HF100 and the Cinegamma mode. With AVCHD, I'm still cautious. Bin mal gespannt how the transfer works out for you.
Now the real issue back to the topic Telecine.
No matter - Winter is so long and we hobbyists how to build each year on everything, what we in the last year in the corner was missed have.
Antwort von beiti:
One consequence of the ausgefressenen agencies could be the half-order is no longer true. I can not imagine that the half-order effects on the contrast has.
What does it mean in your case actually "Telecine"? What a building was that? Under the keyword that you get very different results.
Contrast and sharpness when you liked me "Glass Screen" version much better than your "Telecine" version. Moreover, there is less brightness fluctuations.
So I would your glass screen version at any time of the telecine-version. Only s.White balance and s.Bildausschnitt we should still do fine tuning.
When I was watching the whole time suspect you would have the examples falschrum labeled.
Winter is still long and we hobbyists how to build each year on everything, what we in the last year in the corner was missed have. I just think after a long search dimmer again found, with which I am the speed of the projector may regulate. :)
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
What does it mean in your case actually "Telecine"? What a building was that? http://www.faelker.de/super8/
http://www.telecine.de/
Bauer T502 sync with. Control and Lens
When I was watching the whole time suspect you would have the examples falschrum labeled. I have some better results with the Telecine erziehlt method, but as I said, are in the trash. "The Yellow of the egg's still not.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
One consequence of the bodies could ausgefressenen Rolling Shutter Effect be?
Antwort von beiti:
One consequence of the bodies could ausgefressenen Rolling Shutter Effect be? Should not there a waste of brightness top to bottom or left to right of arise?
The ausgefressenen bodies are always the brightest points in the Picture. For me simply indicates that the video camera, the contrast range of the film is not packed. (The problem I'm familiar with, because I last year, many
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello Klaus-Dieter,
until now I have read through this issue and must say that I test all 4 movies do not really agree.
If you ever want to
digitally archive why changing until you Super8 essential qualities of the originals?
By this I mean:
- Full
- Original frame rate of 18 or 24 frames / second
Test1: Telecine in
Antwort von beiti:
With AVCHD, I'm still cautious. Bin mal gespannt how the transfer works out for you. I have this evening made a test run: projection on A4 sheets s.der wall, shot with Canon HF100.
It went surprisingly well, Brightness and White Balance, I immediately hingekriegt properly, the detail and sharpness, even in the DVD version runterkonvertierten significantly better than the old scanning with DV camcorder (Canon MVX3i).
Unfortunately, however, the HF100 more sensitive to the frequency of the image projector to respond (although I synonymous here 1 / 50 second set did). While with the old camcorder was sufficient to roughly adjust the speed, I get now after only a very fine adjustment of picture without "walking beam". And since my projector control (dimmer) is not very stable and then diverges, I can not much longer than 1 minute s.Stück undisturbed record. Schade.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
why you changing only the main characteristics of the Super8 originals?
By this I mean:
- Full
- Original frame rate of 18 or 24 frames / second That is my plan gewessen, so I wanted the Super8 film images from digital photography or scanning.
With my Canon HV20, I is synonymous progressive mode (25p) tries. With the same effect as in the interlaced (50i) mode.
Please Read this through again, why I abfilme with 50i.
Synchronous run the projector for the Camera
http://www.faelker.de/super8/
So do I change the speed.
Unfortunately, however, the HF100 more sensitive to the frequency of the image projector to respond (although I synonymous here 1 / 50 second set did). While with the old camcorder was sufficient to roughly adjust the speed, I get now after only a very fine adjustment of picture without "walking beam". And since my projector control (dimmer) is not very stable and then diverges, I can not much longer than 1 minute s.Stück undisturbed record. Schade. Synchronous run the projector for the Camera
http://www.faelker.de/super8/
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
I read then I inherited my Super8 films at a Bavarian (from memory) Company with 25 frames per second playback rate to DV Digitizer.
Thus, I got progressive material that I then afterwards in a Matroska container with the original 18 B / s test.
You have your Super8 films 18 B / sec. with 25 B / sec. can scan?
Antwort von beiti:
Synchronous run the projector for the Camera
http://www.faelker.de/super8/ Something comes to me not in question, since my projector does not convert it. Moreover, I see difficulties in connection with modern camcorders, whose original image to the recording is slightly delayed. Even with my DV camcorder from 2004 is that so. Einwandfrei should only work with older DV camcorders and especially analog camcorders, the camera output signal unprocessed.
Perhaps this explains synonymous variations in the brightness of your telecine scanning? The you had but with a HV20 made.
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Moreover, I see difficulties in connection with modern camcorders, whose original image to the recording is slightly delayed. And that's exactly why you need a Ozilloskop to this signal to verify. On this Synk.Platine is a potentiometer for fine tuning, sometimes synonymous which light must s.der wing aperture time. Should we stop check.
This signal is transmitted from the camera composite cable output.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello Klaus-Dieter,
You have your Super8 films 18 B / sec. with 25 B / sec. can scan? yes, I can already see that this is probably misleading words.
They have the film with 25 B / s run and then scanned with 50i. But since both fields the same Super8 picture looked, it was basically a full scan on DV.
I could decide whether I am the films with 18, 24, 25 or other frame rates digitalisert wished. At 25 fps I was actually just progressive material.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Modellbahner:
hello, I want to synonymous times to express this theme. Inspired by the various attempts by the prescribing synonymous, I have tried my Super 8 films digitizer.
Projector: Elmo ST 600th
Camera: Canon HF100, Graufilter ND 4
Screen: matte photo paper
Focus: Auto
Exposure: -9
Shutter: 50
Distance to screen approximately 40cm
Soundüberspieleung: 3.5 -> 3.5 jack. Line output -> Micro input
Motor control: adjusted (Am Poti played)
The result is zufriedendstellend Sogut like no visible flicker. The only problem is the adjustment s.die Size 4:3 s.16: 9
So now I wait for new drive belt. Aging problem is the projector of 1980
Gruß Bernd
Antwort von domain:
A tip for old projectors and their belts. If these are no longer available, you can alternatively synonymous with good success commercially available O-rings, or even to desire it as a rotary-O-cord belt manufactured eg http://www.zrunek.at/oringe.htm
Antwort von Modellbahner:
Yes the old straps fall apart almost alone. Thanks for the link. Show times but on the shipping conditions. Especially after Germany + minimum orders, etc. which I have already ordered. Massa Manufacturing 3 pieces including shipping for 24 ¬.
Gruß Bernd
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
They have the film with 25 B / s run and then scanned with 50i. At 25 fps I was actually just progressive material. Accordingly, should the motion in the film is extremely fast. When you with 18 B / sec. in the original filmed and searched the company with the 25 B / sec. plays and scans.
I would like to watch programs on average - frame by frame. Would be nice if you take a small part to upload deployment.
The only problem is the adjustment s.die Size 4:3 s.16: 9
I have pressure in my picture window cover removed. Thus, you get about 10% more movie screen. In Fälker-HP-HP and BPH can all read.
Dust in the picture window and formats
http://www.faelker.de/super8/
No experiments and the S8 material (4:3) to inflate 16:9, important image content would be so lacking as halves of heads. I would be with black bars left and right scanning.
Gruß Klaus-Dieter
Antwort von beiti:
Accordingly, should the motion in the film is extremely fast. When you with 18 B / sec. in the original filmed and searched the company with the 25 B / sec. plays and scans. Lars I have understood that this scanning for him only the raw material for further processing steps was.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Klaus-Dieter Hallo, hallo beiti,
Accordingly, should the motion in the film is extremely fast. When you with 18 B / sec. in the original filmed and searched the company with the 25 B / sec. plays and scans. Lars I have understood that this scanning for him only the raw material for further processing steps was. yes, you have understood correctly. The DV material was only starting material. However, not for treatment but only for archiving. I have the material in the Matroska container packed and the muxer said that a picture frequency of 18Hz will cease. Thus, the movie synonymous with 18 B / s play.
I look at times, whether harmless sequences are, then I'll pick what is available. It takes but a little. I need only to archive and search.
The movies are encoded XViD.
Because we're in the process. Who of you is a source for about 15-20 seconds Projektorsurren as a sound file?
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Modellbahner:
Klaus-Dieter writes:
I have pressure in my picture window cover removed. Thus, you get about 10% more movie screen. In Fälker-HP-HP and BPH can all read.
If not me, because ELMO is everything made of metal and a flex is too small. I will probably post with a mask in the Postpro work, because I noticed that the camera display of the size gewaltigt lies. When shooting with a ruler shows the display approximately 2cm in each direction is smaller than the result. Must be the first true oysters.
Gruß Bernd
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
Who of you is a source for about 15-20 seconds Projektorsurren as a sound file? The familiar sound of your projector is still the best. I have the noise from the projector, with my camcorder to DV tape and then into my editing program inserted into the soundtrack.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello Klaus-Dieter,
I had a piece now (32MB) harmless material. If you give me your email address, or they enter into your profile, I could send you a link where the file can be found. I will leave it there about 48 hours.
That with the noise is such a thing. I own that no projector. Could you give me the sound of your projector at 18 fps to provide?
Thank you
Lars
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
You can get the projector running record of my HP if you like the quality is sufficient, then the Super8 Page runs a small video ...
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Bruno Hi Peter,
I can not find the movie, unfortunately. Is this possibly a Fläschdingens?
Is something I can not be installed.
Good night
Lars
Antwort von beiti:
I wanted tonight, the sound of my short-S8 projector record (even with relatively high-quality sound engineering), but had to note that this is not so simple.
The projector, a "Bauer T1S super" is no longer halt the latest. There are some mechanical wear, which was not included in the projection effect, but to the noise. Something "tackert" because at regular intervals. The reverse is the fault not so loud, but still exists.
Since I now have the pictures here, I am still short examples and ziped
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
"Something like me is not installed."
This is something I understand at the present time garnicht, over 60% of PC users, the Adobe Flash Player installed!
If you can not see, you can not find anything synonymous, it is logical!
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello
beiti, Thank you for the recordings.
I suspect that the recordings were made with the Micro s.Projektor very close up. Something far more likely allow for better shots.
The 2nd Version is probably the best and is certainly well after editing. It can be a good backdrop make. Thanks again.
Bruno Peter: This is something I understand at the present time garnicht, over 60% of PC users, the Adobe Flash Player installed! When not stop me, because on my calculator garkeine proprietary software is installed. Who knows where the Adobe software so everything hintelefoniert? It may be something that I'm paranoid or obstinate. Each case is like a life philosophy of mine. It can not litigate.
Thanks anyway for the hint. Now I already have something nice of beiti get.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von beiti:
I suspect that the recordings were made with the Micro s.Projektor very close up. Something far more likely allow for better shots. Each Tonexperte will you confirm that the technically best images s.der relatively close to the sound source (in this specific case, there were about 50 cm). If the noise in the film mix "next off sound" wants to make it quieter, gives Hall, mixes, etc. The atmosphere at synonymous you can do with these recordings.
This is something I understand at the present time garnicht, over 60% of PC users, the Adobe Flash Player installed! Indeed, there are more than 98%, if the versions 8 and 9 together. Also version 9 alone is already at over 95%.
In other words: As a web designer must now require Flash. Whether it is good, is another question.
When not stop me, because on my calculator garkeine proprietary software is installed. Who knows where the Adobe software so everything hintelefoniert? Then yes you can, for example, absolutely no web video, because for each variety need any plug. And many websites are now 100% in Flash, ie it's not without PlugIn content s.die ran. Forever you will not hold out the denial, if serious you are on the Internet.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello beiti,
Each Tonexperte will you confirm that the technically best images s.der relatively close to the sound source (in this specific case, there were about 50 cm). If the noise in the film mix "next off sound" wants to make it quieter, gives Hall, mixes, etc. The atmosphere at synonymous you can do with these recordings. I will make it synonymous, but some noise disappears through the room, which I now have yet to remove. (There is such a film pitched to be heard.)
Did quite.
Then yes you can, for example, absolutely no web video, because for each variety need any plug. And many websites are now 100% in Flash, ie it's not without PlugIn content s.die ran. Forever you will not hold out the denial, if serious you are on the Internet. Well, that's not quite so. Youtube works for me quite well. The spread here in the forum Vimeo (or something similar) is really difficult.
To do this, I use Linux, FFmpeg and Mplayer. Hopefully supports free soon synonymous gnash the newer versions of Flash. Then nothing more synonymous Vimeo way.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Who knows where the Adobe software so everything hintelefoniert? Yes fear is driving the already strange flowers ...
Perhaps Ayurveda oil on the other hand ...
Antwort von Klaus-Dieter:
I had a piece now (32MB) harmless material. If you give me your email address, or they enter into your profile, I could send you a link where the file can be found. I will leave it there about 48 hours.
Just had a few stressful days. If the material is still available. My e-mail address in the profile is now activated.
Antwort von JMS Productions:
Who knows where the Adobe software so everything hintelefoniert?
Yes fear is driving the already strange flowers ...
Perhaps Ayurveda oil on the other hand ... * LOL *
Who knows where the Adobe software so everything hintelefoniert? Oh oh, from that standpoint, I still never even considered. Shit, who knows where Microsoft hintelefoniert anywhere, the spy determines my PC and phone so I can now no longer synonymous, the types of telecom scheiß draw to determine each conversation. At best I just stay in the house and do not go out, probably because NASA spies me with one of their 1000 semi-espionage from Itten. But wait a minute, yes they have certainly synonymous modern technology that makes it possible by building walls to see, then I'm even in the own 4 walls are no longer safe. At the end of the synonymous still see through clothes:-O * ahhhh * Oh no, what do I do now just ???!!
* OMG *
