Newsmeldung von slashCAM:Test of the 1/1.8 inch CMOS camcorder Samsung VP-HMX20C of thomas - 6 Aug 2008 14:14:00
Camcorder Info has the Samsung VP-HMX20C (in the U.S. Samsung SC-HMX20 baptized) tested and is much more convinced of it than the predecessor model, the SC-HMX10. The most significant change is with quite large 1/1.8 inch CMOS sensor, thereby making it even larger than the EX1 and the 1/2-Inch-Chips to peak in Lowlight test leads. Shooting of the Samsung VP-HMX20C is 1080p30 or 1080i60 (the German version 1080p25 or 1080i50) in a AVC/h264-Codec. Further facilities: 8GB internal memory, 10x zoom, 300fps/10Sec-Slomo, an external micro-Input, 2.7-inch screen, DV Recording Mode, HDMI, Component, S-Video and composite output. The Camera is on the touch screen operated, can be with SD (HC) and MMC + cards to be extended. The list price is 1049 euros on the street is the rud 500g light HMX20 but s.650 euro. Conclusion of test: While he has only basic manual controls and a gloss-free auto focus and only a bad electronic Image Stabilization, but its very good image quality and the superior performance at low light situations and the good looks help him become an excellent test verdict. A bitter pill, but still is in a very special recording format is hidden, a Samsung-specific implementation of the s.sich in the form of widespread AVCHD H.264 (MPEG-4.AVC) Main Profiles, the spread of any of the multimedia player such as QuickTime, Windows Media Player, RealPlayer or WinAmp easily could be played - here you have to be at first on the supplied software (CyberLink DVD Suite - but only for Windows) to leave.
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Antwort von ef.multimedia:
Finally rafft industry, larger image sensors are required. Hopefully follow Sony, Canon and Panasonic with the trend ....
Antwort von Spaceman:
A pity that the larger area of the sensor only for the photo function is available. For the video picture is only an excerpt of the sensor used as s.unterschiedlichen Wide Angleim Still Image and Video mode can be seen.
In EX1, the 1 / 2 "at least fully exploited for video ...
The 1/1.8 "technically sound marketing course top. Just as in the earlier SD camcorders still photo resolution was thick with it and the ignorant buyer later has wondered why the videos do not have 5 megapixels ...
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I wonder once again himself, who needs a camera?
I answer to me synonymous himself, "I do not"!
Antwort von ef.multimedia:
One reason for buying this camera there is of course not. Important things such as viewfinders, focus, zoom, aperture ring is missing and of course the size is talking about me not to.
I see this camera rather than exerting pressure for the well-known manufacturer like Panasonic, Sony, Canon, JVC at.
Perhaps there will soon yes SonyPMW EX5 with a 1 / 1, 6 Sensor ...
Antwort von WoWu:
A bitter pill, but still is in a very special recording format is hidden, a Samsung-specific implementation of the s.sich in the form of widespread AVCHD H.264 (MPEG-4.AVC) Main Profiles ... What should s.dem Aufnahmeformat be so special?
It is an international standard.
And finally synonymous time a camera, the high-profile aufniummt and not like the AVCHD models always in the base-line rumdümpelt.
The Camera has a good chance synonymous really 1920x1080 (with square pixels) to do what the MPEG4 standard is synonymous not proprietary and 1440, with non-standard compliant pixels, the first interpolated to 1920 hingepfuscht, like AVCHD.
NLE's, the standard MPEG4 H.264/AVC support, the format can be read synonymous.
Cheap Heimer, just like there can AVCHD difficulties.
Perhaps it is so synonymous fact that this camera finally makes 1080p .....
@ Ef.multimedia
I geb'Dir right because ... the camera could finally fire the AVCHD times .... make ... High profile is not bad.
@ Spaceman
A pity that the larger area of the sensor only for the photo function is available. For the video picture is only an excerpt of the sensor used as s.unterschiedlichen Wide Angleim Still Image and Video mode can be seen. How can I understand? Where have you found?
Thanks for a broader indication.
I think only the information about 6.4 million pixels, but nothing on a sub-segment.
Antwort von darg:
WoWu,
the Samsung codec in itself, it seems to have what the editing is concerned. I was here some time ago my first experience with the material of a Samsung Cam and written the My Calculator entirely to their knees. For me, it was thus first AVCHD below.
But then had a few days ago after starting AVCHD material of a Canon HF10 or 100 to search and found synonymous and it was almost like HDV editing, what with the 720p of the Samsung did not ever went. Samsung has given a lot differently and that would be the bitter pill :-)
Axel, San Jose
Antwort von Spaceman:
@ WoWu:
I have the camcorder sheet: the initial focal length is in Photo mode with 38 mm and Video mode with only 49 mm (converted to 35mm Small). I suspect that when you shoot the rest of the sensor as an electronic image stabilizer functions ....
Antwort von WoWu:
Axel @ SJ
Thanks for the hint ... You searched because AVCHD 1080p material processed in the high profile editing?
It may well be synonymous of course, what is very likely that in the NLE's not all Profiles and all tools are supported.
What's changed since the Samsung Codec behave and how you have handled it ... ?
@ Spaceman
I understand ... I want to see if you on a pixel area can convert. One of the tools of AVC of course, is that the Bewegungsprädiktion already usable outside of the image begins to create a smoother prediction can be achieved.
So far I have no references found, how many pixels the Vorau sets. Theoretically yes 4 Pix meet / line and ROW.
The Weitwinkligkeit could, of course, synonymous with the type 4:3 (the sensor) connected. (but then the other way around should be)
Do you think a reference to a el.Stabi found? My search was unsuccessful ... and things are not synonymous for a long time "out"?
I can only hardly imagine that Samsung just video "voluntarily" on synonymous only one pixel for video waived.
If you have additional information or because findings did ... always welcome. Synonymous Thank you for the hint.
In any case I find a (real) 1080p (and not, as at JVC) with a relatively large sensor and still have a very respectable Resolutionvon 6.4 million pixels. for approx. 650 EUR quite remarkable.
Synonymous Incidentally one of the first companies to specify the used profiles and with "high profile" so synonymous have nothing to hide.
Antwort von darg:
Axel @ SJ
Thanks for the hint ... You searched because AVCHD 1080p material processed in the high profile editing?
It may well be synonymous of course, what is very likely that in the NLE's not all Profiles and all tools are supported.
What's changed since the Samsung Codec behave and how you have handled it ... ?
The name of the Cam, I do not anymore. Was not mine and the owner had it back then, as he had brought one. The Meterial was labeled as 720p 50, my Vegas 8P could read and recognize but went to play with only 5-7 fps. A cutting was not possible because the cursor of the trimmer just hooked. Accordingly convertierte I stuff into a 720p 50 AVI, because the picture quality of Cam was always bad in terms of contrast and color is not so played a role. The guy had no idea how it was filmed and every scene in the typical six Anfaengerfehler find. The Geschwenke became seasick.
Play in VLC was just so hooked it and sometimes the Scenes jumped anything but the least and went on a C2D with 3.6GHz and 3GB of memory under Windows XP. Do not want to know what is in the development of this thought.
The HF100 comes of Wolfgang material HDVBlog and is 17MBit / s.. It behaves like HDV, Vegas runs only under slightly tougher in the timeline, but still with at least 20 to 23 fps. Even with some color filters and transitions drüber could still work with. So Canon has done its homework here.
Gruss
Axel, San Jose
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Do you think a reference to a el.Stabi found? My search was unsuccessful ... ... ... ... just have a bad electronic Image Stabilization ... Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
Thanks Bernd ...
only what I think SC writes only when I officially somewhere to find the confirmation ...
But thank you for the notice .. There is still a reliable source somewhere?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
SC writes ... what I believe only when I officially confirm that somewhere ... think there is still a reliable source somewhere? ... Slashcam is innocent in this case ;-) The text cited above, only the test of camcorderinfo.com in which the electronic stabilizer is described in more detail. In addition, Samsung is talking, even in its press release on HMX20 of an electronic stabilization.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
Then it was believed in this case, which does not change s.Grundsatz.
Actually a pity that such a company for dung still spendier sensor capacity. In this case, but I think that it is a "waste product", because, as noted above, capacity Bewegunsgsprädiktion outside the picture window is needed anyway. Maybe yes synonymous explained the fact that the functions of the stabilizers so bad, probably because only a few pixels s.Rand for the prediction and the determination of vanishing points are needed.
As I already wrote, I can find no evidence, how much "grass" s.Sensorrand needed ... But perhaps it is really "Space's" reference to a usable Weitwinkligkeit clue.
In any case, so, or as a Camera and uninteresting if they are synonymous still make good pictures ... even better.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
only what I think SC writes only when I officially somewhere to find the confirmation ... It confused a bit - this approach is for your comments urgently. I already mentioned that I would block you, if I am the operator of the Forum would be?
But thank you for the notice .. There is still a reliable source somewhere? If you here anything about frivolous and unreliable - then why are you here?
Antwort von WoWu:
I already mentioned that I would block you, In the Middle Ages has been the adversary of Clerus still burned ... that would be synonymous but a suggestion ...
Antwort von Markus:
I already mentioned that I would block you, if I am the operator of the Forum would be? Did you look at the editorial office contacted and possibly a few meaningful contributions linked? Nobody has to like everything here, but the editorial reads synonymous not everything.
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