Frage von videobernd:
Help! My hobby at the moment makes me ready. Since 7Jahren I cut my videos easily s.PC. In the Oct. 06 was going on: On my new Panasonic NV-GS500, the DV-input defective. To warranty repair. Note this: The stage was destroyed by external influences. February 2007. Again the same thing. Nochmals filed. After warranty repair problems again. They notice that my Firewire interface must be broken. I should check the PC can.
I changed the motherboard, CPU, graphics card, new firewire PCI Karte.Aber in the Sept. 07 hurt the same again! I used my SonyTRV 480th And now in the Nov. 07 synonymous with this DV input broken. Sony: 'Outer influence, PCB destroyed due to high input voltage. " Now I have a SonyHDR-HC7E, trust me, but barely, they s.PC via Firewire to connect. The PC-dealer says he can nothing s.PC measured to voltage errors. Erde me when I touch any of your camcorder s.Stahlschrank, The IE1394 cable s.der Firewire card is always stuck. I connect the camcorder with a pre purchased half a year very taxes, super shielded firewire cable, put the camcorder on until then. Solve the links never in operation. I wei0 that many users have the problem with the destroyed DV inputs have. But so far I read only guesswork, but no hints that anything I would give more security. Did someone with the experience of Messrs. Kramer Firewireprotecdor? The thing costs 116 Euro and will prevent overvoltages. But here in the forum I read of a user that the damage for the second time - and this time
with Protector - got. I have an AMD 5000 + on socket AM2 of Asus, 4 GB Ram, Vivancofirewire PCI Card, Radeongrafikkarte 256 MB. Somebody knows a possibility to reduce the risk - or even avoided? (Santa Claus when I would beg for you).
Antwort von slowmo:
Damn, it sounds so bitter at. Without a hardware specialist to be, I would probably be a different Firewire card to try. Good luck ...
Antwort von mikroguenni:
Moin,
possibly, the input ESD is not fixed, ie, sensitive to static discharge.
Antwort von Meggs:
I changed the motherboard, CPU, graphics card, new firewire PCI card. Then I would have the rest, at least the power supply still synonymous changed.
Antwort von slowmo:
Hello
The power with which I see as synonymous, it could be the cause. Or do you have a potential difference between the times Geräten.Überprüfe with a voltmeter if you have a voltage difference between the two devices have masses. If there is a sporadic error, it will be difficult. A potential equalization between the masses would defuse the problem. Your calculator has a mass problem? Close Calculator and camera power via a power strip s.eine outlet.
If you do not fasten it, let it know of an electron measured.
mfG Eggerder
Antwort von slowmo:
Your calculator has a mass problem? Close Calculator and camera power via a power strip s.eine outlet.
yes, emphasis on "on a power strip ...
OT:
Whenever s.1. May happen, maybe times when the comrades ask: P
Antwort von Jörg:
maybe times when the comrades ask: P oh so, according to the motto:
"In August when the sun is shining,
hats made the CDU,
gibts in winter ice and snow,
the SPD's evil ...
Antwort von Maik:
I changed the motherboard, CPU, graphics card, new firewire PCI Karte.Aber in the Sept. 07 hurt the same again! And you do not have the housing changed?
What kind of flooring do you have? Charging?
Is the earth in the house correct?
Also in the s.der wall outlet?
A power strip with a reasonable grounding connected?
M.
Antwort von RKDN:
I think this is a problem with your house electricity cable is 220Volt. Your home connection is present curious grounded? FIRST checked by an electrician! Or do you live in an old building before 1970?
Then it would be a clear case, because old power lines earlier than the water were grounded. If the earth did you have a problem.
You then ungüstigsten in the case, as you now with the damage still remaining trotdem voltage s.Gerät, even though everything is turned off, you're still up to 110 volts amount.
mfg
Reinhold Kaufmann
52353 Düren
Antwort von videobernd:
Hello
The power with which I see as synonymous, it could be the cause. Or do you have a potential difference between the times Geräten.Überprüfe with a voltmeter if you have a voltage difference between the two devices have masses. If there is a sporadic error, it will be difficult. A potential equalization between the masses would defuse the problem. Your calculator has a mass problem? Close Calculator and camera power via a power strip s.eine outlet.
If you do not fasten it, let it know of an electron measured.
mfG Eggerder Thank you. That seems to me a good way to be. As a success synonymous with other "victims" would help, I will be in the New Year even explain exactly what I have done and how success was (Now, I must first make Christmas break).
Thank you s.Dich and all other assistance providers!
Antwort von videobernd:
Damn, it sounds so bitter at. Without a hardware specialist to be, I would probably be a different Firewire card to try. Good luck ... Thank you. You're right. That would indeed have cause to be. I therefore first IEE1394 onBoard no longer used, but an extra PCI card is used. After the next hurt, I have a new firewire card a renowned manufacturer and made synonymous changes the new, expensive (40 euros) special firewire cable with better shielding is used. But the damage was still next.
As synonymous in the other post said. I will be in the New Year according to a summary report and thank you first for the helpers! Gruß, Bernd
Antwort von videobernd:
I changed the motherboard, CPU, graphics card, new firewire PCI card.
Then I would have the rest, at least the power supply still synonymous changed. You have absolutely right. That struck me too late. It said an acquaintance synonymous. I already have the PC demanded Dealers. In January his shop time again, and then I also can install new - very good quality -.
Thank you!
Antwort von videobernd:
Moin,
possibly, the input ESD is not fixed, ie, sensitive to static discharge. Thank you. This is also a good indication. I think I'll leave next to the power equal synonymous replace the entire housing to any mass contacts (I am a layman, so please understand very simble thought) be excluded.
Wieich synonymous to help others said: Thank you! About the result I will report back later.
Antwort von videobernd:
Your calculator has a mass problem? Close Calculator and camera power via a power strip s.eine outlet.
yes, emphasis on "on a power strip ...
OT:
Whenever s.1. May happen, maybe times when the comrades ask: P True - that with the power strip - I have just two new, specially shielded and gesachützte bars ordered. Thank you. Result later! Happy Holidays!
Antwort von videobernd:
I changed the motherboard, CPU, graphics card, new firewire PCI Karte.Aber in the Sept. 07 hurt the same again!
And you do not have the housing changed?
What kind of flooring do you have? Charging?
Is the earth in the house correct?
Also in the s.der wall outlet?
A power strip with a reasonable grounding connected?
M. Thank you! Nochmals Valuable hints. Housing and power supply, I will let go in January. And with the flooring, you have quite synonymous. it is carpeted. Since I will be superior to any other coverage lie. At the house grounding thought I do not. But it is a great idea. Anyway I'm angry because we have so many defects s.Elektrogeräten said. The house is a row of cheap 40 years ago, in which everything from the cheapest used. I shall therefore the pipes, connections, etc. and can check any case auj good shielded power strips buy.
Antwort von Markus:
And with the flooring, you have quite synonymous. it is carpeted. I have carpeting synonymous and never went for ESD anything broken. But this is some discipline is required before something touched or equipment are necessarily linked s.geerdete metal housing act. The previous potential equalization ensures that no unwanted tensions more than offset the electronics parts and thus destroy them.
Oh yes, Bernd, and no Feinstrumpfhosen bear! ;-)))
Antwort von videobernd:
I think this is a problem with your house electricity cable is 220Volt. Your home connection is present curious grounded? FIRST checked by an electrician! Or do you live in an old building before 1970?
Then it would be a clear case, because old power lines earlier than the water were grounded. If the earth did you have a problem.
You then ungüstigsten in the case, as you now with the damage still remaining trotdem voltage s.Gerät, even though everything is turned off, you're still up to 110 volts amount.
mfg
Reinhold Kaufmann
52353 Düren Thanks, Reinhold. This was similar Maik synonymous in the link below to contribute. Does exactly. Old 1960 by cheapest. I will therefore be addressed. I cursed anyway, that in recent years (Scheiß technology from Asia, I said - perhaps unfairly) many devices were broken (2 hard disks, a monitor 1 motherboard, 1 processor .....). Let's see how ichdas do. Perhaps only once in makeshift plaster as water and solid lines in the next renovierung all new pipes put in plaster. In any event, synonymous Thank you again! Exactly, you never know what the cause of such damage. I hope, though, if I follow all the tips, synonymous with "the evil" eliminierrt to have. You all a Happy Christmas (ohneexplodierende electric candles!). Gruß, Bernd from Kassel
Antwort von Mark1RS:
It provides complete solutions to Firewire ports fully ESD resistance to. The cost for CeraDioden numbers in 1000 not even 5 cents. It must, however, with the development of the device are taken into account.
However, it seems simply not in the interest of the camera manufacturers to be in the consumer devices to protect the ports, it is a reliable source of revenue and the 5 per cent saving device is still synonymous incidentally.
Antwort von videobernd:
And with the flooring, you have quite synonymous. it is carpeted.
I have carpeting synonymous and never went for ESD anything broken. But this is some discipline is required before something touched or equipment are necessarily linked s.geerdete metal housing act. The previous potential equalization ensures that no unwanted tensions more than offset the electronics parts and thus destroy them.
Oh yes, Bernd, and no Feinstrumpfhosen bear! ;-))) Thanks, Mark. The tip with the Feinstrumpfhosen I had here in the forum the same problem (ESD) heard. Since my wife now has her old self Fummel applied. Very sad, it always gave me a sense of wicked, when I shaved with legs of Feinstrumpfhosen tenderly wrapped, stroked the carpet before I s.Camcorders entludt.
Antwort von Mark1RS:
If the matter with you so critical is synonymous could be the order of commissioning a role to play. Absolut would be prohibited then inserting the already active with the PC connected to the firewire cable into your camcorder is not yet active. Recommended: Firewire connection, but PC and camera are turned off and still in first cable into the camera and then into the PC. Then turn on camera, and then restart the PC. Is usually not necessary, but in your case could be recommended to.
Antwort von videobernd:
If the matter with you so critical is synonymous could be the order of commissioning a role to play. Absolut would be prohibited then inserting the already active with the PC connected to the firewire cable into your camcorder is not yet active. Recommended: Firewire connection, but PC and camera are turned off and still in first cable into the camera and then into the PC. Then turn on camera, and then restart the PC. Is usually not necessary, but in your case could be recommended to. Oh, Oh, you Anonymus brilliant! Since you have a sore spot, which is perhaps the sole, or at least the main cause could be! I have always only the cable s.PC appropriate. This means that I've ever left there, then connected the camcorder off and then turned on the latter. However synonymous Panasonic writes after the first repair of grace: "Connect the cable with the PC first and then with this device. When it first s.diesem device can cause a malfunction s.diesem device on the basis of static electricity, lead!" In another letter, they pointed out that potential differences between the camcorder and PC input can destroy. - Since I am now quite unsure how it should be. In the case of the recommended order would you like it hot, the PC should be after completion of the project is shut down, then the camcorder connected and switched on the PC and then the master tape for subsequent transmission to be restarted. Right?
Antwort von thekloi:
Just as you do is synonymous my normal procedure, with me but now it really seems logical synonymous with the cable used to derive a static charge ev s.den PC first, because this obviously in contrast to previously Camera no damage has. The safest course is probably the following: if the proposed workflow any connection between camera and PC is to simply pre-commissioning of both devices and then perform well but rather first cable into the PC and then into the camera. Additional one-off and the camera (ie, during PC, but already closed connection) should then represent nothing more. Is probably the most critical moment of the insertion of the firewire cable to the PC is already running into the camera.
When inserting all times is also synonymous recommend this operation shortly and decisively, so that all the pins at the same time as contact and connection
Antwort von videobernd:
It provides complete solutions to Firewire ports fully ESD resistance to. The cost for CeraDioden numbers in 1000 not even 5 cents. It must, however, with the development of the device are taken into account.
However, it seems simply not in the interest of the camera manufacturers to be in the consumer devices to protect the ports, it is a reliable source of revenue and the 5 per cent saving device is still synonymous incidentally. Thank you, I was so unknown. But I thought I know, that it must be possible, given the technological advances DV inputs installed that are not so very sensitive to voltage differences.
Of course, this is very annoying for all of those - actually superfluous - damage affected.
Antwort von videobernd:
Just as you do is synonymous my normal procedure, with me but now it really seems logical synonymous with the cable used to derive a static charge ev s.den PC first, because this obviously in contrast to previously Camera no damage has. The safest course is probably the following: if the proposed workflow any connection between camera and PC is to simply pre-commissioning of both devices and then perform well but rather first cable into the PC and then into the camera. Additional one-off and the camera (ie, during PC, but already closed connection) should then represent nothing more. Is probably the most critical moment of the insertion of the firewire cable to the PC is already running into the camera.
When inserting all times is also synonymous recommend this operation shortly and decisively, so that all the pins at the same time as contact and connection Thanks again. The two good references, I can - and any other synonymous in this case have been injured (Everyone is at risk anyway!) - Sometimes immediately without cost to implement, namely the PC and camcorder, then connect (short, but precise), then Camcorders s.and then PC. Thank you.
Mid-January, I will see you after the experience gained and measures reported here. If yet another injury occurs, immediately and in advance. I wish all supporters a happy with a high voltage potential! Gruß, Bernd
Antwort von videobernd:
Now a final report from my point of view on this subject: I cut since 1o days and hope, still no problems. I have undertaken the following: 1 A slide under a desk, chair and PC against static charge 2nd I use a firewire cable quality 3rd I have the "Protector" of the Fa.Kramer between the PC and camcorder mode, the EDS prevent 4th I use the new power bars Fa Belkin, the surge with a special warranty have 5th I, myself, "relax" me before touching the components s.der desk located next to the heating (steel). 6. The Firewire cable do I always in the input of the PC. But before I connect the camcorder, camcorder and PC are made. I imagine then the PC s.and after booting the camcorder. If I were a project to transfer fewrtig have, I always first to the PC. The procedure I have several e-mails by synonymous with the support of Sonyso alsrichtig confirm. Pikanterwweise the lies of me two weeks ago, newly purchased (non-camcorder) SonyDCR-HC96 with a user manual, after the camcorder is in operation with the PC to connect. Is really embarrassing for Sony. I will write on them the times.
So - after all these measures should now actually not a DV input durchkrachen more. But the case can only be bewitched my power. Then I lay completely new lines. You are 47 years old. And I heard that there are actually synonymous with a negative impact damage may occur. It greets you Bernd - and again thanks for all tips!
Antwort von Markus:
But before I connect the camcorder, camcorder and PC are made. Actually, the Firewire connection (just like USB) hot-plug capable. Anders, I have never handled synonymous, because the constant A-and off would be my honest easy to fool, every time everything down and re rauffahren it.
If ESD is the root of all evil, as then distinguishes between the discharge and one-off devices? 15,000 volts vs. 15,005 Volts! Or is the cause but maybe somewhere else (eg, prior potential compensation)?
Antwort von kiteschlampe.:
Had a similar problem, when inserting the cable, I noticed a flash of lightning, when I contact with the mass of the cable s.den mass contact of the plug was.
Have you noticed at some point that it no longer appears when I turn around the power cord, so the poles Swap. Where now the solution is, I do not know, but the problem was gone.
gruss Chris
Antwort von videobernd:
But before I connect the camcorder, camcorder and PC are made.
Actually, the Firewire connection (just like USB) hot-plug capable. Anders, I have never handled synonymous, because the constant A-and off would be my honest easy to fool, every time everything down and re rauffahren it.
If ESD is the root of all evil, as then distinguishes between the discharge and one-off devices? 15,000 volts vs. 15,005 Volts! Or is the cause but maybe somewhere else (eg, prior potential compensation)? Right, Mark. If ESD is the cause of external source, you did right. But it really is so that when you plug in the Firewire cable may be an enormous potential difference may exist. DieVerbindung is active even when the camcorder off with the PC via cable connection. I remember it because after I boot the PC the cable (which is continually s.Input of the PC's) connect with the camcorder. Although the device is off, there is an impulse, when I first drive it, ie that even off the camcorder is detected. Sure, what I write isttechnisch amateurishly. I have not much idea. But I was broken after four DV inputs just to play it safe and wants to avoid all possible risks involved .. Gruß, Bernd
Antwort von Markus:
... at the insertion of the cable, I noticed a flash [...] Have you noticed at some point that it no longer appears when I turn around the power cord ... We have here in AC, which is really no preference should be like around a power cord into the outlet, but in practice it's not every device a toaster or a vacuum cleaner. ;-)
For some devices (combination) s, especially in the audio -/Videobereich, it actually comes to differences depending on the polarity of phase and neutral conductor s.Netzstecker. In my audio amplifier was even an extra instructions in how to use the correct polarity using multimeter out. In the same way, synonymous hum loops in analog signal paths to eliminate.
But I was broken after four DV inputs just to play it safe and wants to avoid all possible risks involved. That makes sense.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
For some devices (combination) s, especially in the audio -/Videobereich, it actually comes to differences depending on the polarity of phase and neutral conductor s.Netzstecker. There was once a 24-pin printers named NEC P6, there stood in the manual in the error section (mutatis mutandis):
"Q: The printer prints backwards"
"A: rausziehen power, 180 ° turn and re-insert".
As the official Schnack into the manual has done was a mystery to us at that time :-)))
Antwort von Markus:
zum Bild This is similar to the assumption that a vacuum cleaner whose power cord into the wrong outlet is all dirty again herauspustet!
