Frage von vasilij:
Hello!
What do you think of the old broadcast cameras, which are often offered on eBay? Can keep up with today's miniDV cameras such as the SonyVX1000E?
(apart from the fact that they are very large) Most data are yes 3 CCDs.
Is it worthwhile for example, a full frame broadcast SVHS cam to buy, if you record with an external digital recorder?
Thank you for your answers!
Antwort von camworks:
The VX1000 is not a current dv camera. which is very old and is no longer built for years.
Now, if you have a really good camera svhs get, with little head and a good hourly objective, all in good condition, then the digitized result is certainly better than the VX1000, and a fortiori as billigcamcorder from the supermarket.
The question is whether one wants to do a lot more expensive digitization.
And if the camera is really technically ok, you see synonymous only when one has reingeschaut. camcorders with Betacam SP, there is the problem-elko to dry out and then kill all the cam if they are not replaced regularly.
Antwort von BjörnF:
Synonymous, I think that is an old S-VHS full format camera was not broadcast and. She was more than semi-professional - just like nowadays with PD170 and Z1 is rotated for television, but broadcast only catch for me in to BetaSP.
Sowas gibts synonymous with eBay. But ne-old 300 or the like will still have their price. And we must not forget the hold-up costs for Batteries, Tapes and synonymous to the cut.
Björn
Antwort von camworks:
well, many were before beta sp sender cameras on the road including synonymous with svhs. shoulder as the cameras were very good, especially of the jvc.
As I said, we must be aware what kind of work one is doing so. but if you know exactly what to do, so you can conjure up a good result. synonymous when many here refuse to acknowledge. :-)
but the objective of a broadcast-PD170 is one objective of a hopelessly inferior svhs-shoulder camera. synonymous is no wonder that costs about as much like a broadcast PD170 optics alone (without camera).
Antwort von vasilij:
I was thinking synonymous s.eine JVC Camera. The camera had a head like the usual BetaSP cameras just stop with a flanged SVHS recorder - therefore cheaper. Definitely not a consumer model. If left for about 600 Eur. Is this a reasonable price? Or again overpriced, as is almost always on eBay.
Antwort von camworks:
well, should not have been more favorable. :-)
btw: very big is always synonymous better handling. This is not a disadvantage but an advantage. we must have only one tripod, s.kann what the weight. You can not always shoot of the shoulder.
Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:
I owned at the time of one JVC SVHS Broadcast Camera. Besides the fact that they Batteries with nearly 10 kilos on his shoulder brought (which is not necessarily a film promoting peaceful), the picture quality was worse than the recognizable images of a VX 1000th Sharpness, noise, and were beaten synonymous contrast behavior of the VX 1000th I would certainly not fall back into SVHS times.
Greeting
KDS
Antwort von deepcode:
Remember, the record specifically BetaCam - Cams often, but can not play!
For capturing you often need an extra player!
In addition, the maintenance of Broadcast Cams is very expensive, the head drum, capacitors, etc. will cost EUR 2000 at the same time relaxed service.
This weight, size ..
Benefits you get the parts only when large sensors (2 / 3) are inside, ie lower depth and much higher sensitivity to light.
Antwort von camworks:
I owned at the time of one JVC SVHS Broadcast Camera. Besides the fact that they Batteries with nearly 10 kilos on his shoulder brought (which is not necessarily a film promoting peaceful), the picture quality was worse than the recognizable images of a VX 1000th Sharpness, noise, and were beaten synonymous contrast behavior of the VX 1000th I would certainly not fall back into SVHS times.
Greeting
KDS I do not have to work, but I have views of jvc material, which looked very ok. I do not know what was recorded. I once heard, could be synonymous beta sp recorder jvc s.The heads dock. perhaps were received so well?
quality about the VX1000: in the bright she is ok, but the dark is ne 2 / 3 "but much brighter.
Antwort von vasilij:
And how it looks with the capacitors? Normally, the mechanical indeed responsible for almost all the defects (unless, of course), has some experience, no preference how many hours the camera on the counter. Manufacturer is there where one can assume that the camera still a two-year "lives"? Or people want to get rid of their scrap, because they know that the camera can get broken every day? There are often kept the cameras as a replacement device, but were little used. Are these really "like new"?
Incidentally, I am grateful for the many answers!
Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:
but in the dark is ne 2 / 3 "but much brighter. This is true, but the smaller chips are synonymous with time, become more intense and more resistant to smear. The old SVHS Kamcorder often had a sensitivity of F = 5.6 at 2000 lux, sometimes synonymous only F = 4 Today, one can loosely F = start of 11 at 2000 lux.
My old JVC SVHS was not very bright, had in most areas with 9db reinforcement work, what had provoked a strong noise. At 18db gain was almost no color more in the Picture and the noise intolerable by today's standards.
Today I work with the JVC GY DV5000. Which, although only 1 / 2 "chips, but is better in the same areas many times over.
Greeting
KDS
Antwort von camworks:
That may well be (I'll go out of), but remember that he squints at svhs, because he obviously wants to spend some money to / can. since it is relatively pointless to keep him as a relatively ne dv5000 front of the nose to ... :-)
Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:
Because YOU have right of course. But if it contains a price of 600 euro brings into play, he can certainly rely on
new DV camcorders medium. They are hardly worse than the old SVHS Boliden. A great optics can not compensate for the weaknesses of old chips synonymous.
Greeting
KDS
Antwort von camworks:
hmm, as it is philosophically ... :-) I am supporter of good operability and I think a 600 euro camcorders can not simply serve as good as a shoulder camcorder.
but this must stop individual to decide for themselves. :-)
Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:
C'est vrai!
Antwort von camworks:
wat? My franzmännisch is a little rusty ... :-)
Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:
"That's true! ;-))
Antwort von camworks:
aso, ja. :-)
Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):
And how it looks with the capacitors? Normally, the mechanical indeed responsible for almost all the defects (unless, of course), has some experience, no preference how many hours the camera on the counter. Then I'd take synonymous VERY!
Especially in camcorders for the year 1990-95 around wurdne installed (the compactness of the complex electronics in cameras due to shoulder) are mostly SMD Electrolytic Capacitors (this little aluminum caps) (which was the miniaturization of entire video circuits in chips are not yet ready, and have been innumerable boards age used in professional cameras, unfortunately, tipped as synonymous with just a few Elktrolyt capacitors) These SMD type now but unfortunately even faster because of small dimensions less electrolyte (instead hold the layers> are produced close) - thus increasing the stronger layers danger of "Säurefrasses" almählich which erodes the Isolierungsfolieren the layers - the capacitors so get more and more ESR values and thus increases its resistance - which in turn increases the power consumption of whole circuits and may lead to chain reactions of defects to cause Totalsausfall.
Moreover, these capacitors in addition to dry out which she appears to lose its capacity and funktioniert.s.schlimmsten synonymous as some are no longer accurate, but also age-related leakage (electrolyte acid from) - these can degrade with time, especially components or solder joints and it is also closing time.
Electronic devices are often in her life but unfortunately not only be limited to 100% at some point by their electrolytic capacitors.
In general this but keep at least 10 years (if the Manufacturer is synonymous to good control of these components, and plenty of heat sources positioned away -> heat damage these components MUCH, + halves 10 degrees and the Lebenserwartun in some, but too stupid just at the right häufgi camcorders heat sources), well-made with quality manufacturers and component quality work, perhaps even 15-20 years, but at least it's closing time.
They should be in EVERY other electronic device to store so synonymous camcorder NEVER unused for years, because synonymous detrimental to electrolytic capacitors and their life expectancy by as much verkürtzt long Nichtinbetriebnahme the "Säurefrass" into the layers of the electrolyte increases as the growing polarization vanishes.
THE RULE SHOULD BE MAN (ALSO) A CAMCORDER IN A DOZEN All 3-4 months SO FOR SOME TAKE 1-2 HOURS IN OPERATION!
well, and if one does not know everything on Ebay and sells his s.Dachboden dahinzersetzende for years onehin already 10 years old camera is looking forward to the buyer probably not for long.
Most noted as a suffering man already s.Säurefrass or the like (soon to be dead) camera s.dem slightly acidic smell of fish and the fact that they unatürlich heis (is already mentioned by increasing resistance)
The worst part is yes then at the start of such old hypocritical boxes whose early death is hardly aware that he is generally so only after 2-4 hours of operation will begin at start-up so as to cause admission until the increasing resistance or austrettenden acids slow her misfortune was indeed not the same All hinmacht.
Example: I had a super old legändere JVC SVHS-C, of which I bought on Ebay, built ~ 1990, was loudly seller for years, but more nciht used, how bad: When I hate the first ~ 4 hours in operation yet everything was ok but then began to slow her old condensers disaster: broken par minutes after autofocus, then suddenly problems with RGB (tweilweise B & W only playback), then they sometimes jumped on .... no more curious (and had no preference as before), I unscrewed the thing and what I found: Massenhaft Kondensaoren slightly yellow (yellowish color cast s.diesen Bauteiln already held a sign for "säurefrass") - are a few solder joints were worn by acid also been aufgeätzt something.
So like it happened to me already with 2 other cameras with similar year old, ticking time bombs in it, I just say.
Antwort von vasilij:
Thanks for the great contribution!
You're absolutely right. The stupid is synonymous, that can be the SMD capacitors rauslöten unfortunately übelst difficult without damaging the board, because they often are attached with an adhesive, also below under it. Most data is then tore a piece of conductor track with ...
You have any idea of quantity of electronics! Are you accustomed to working with it? As it does with the older miniDV cameras from the first generation? Synonymous still have these problems?
Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):
Thanks for the great contribution!
You're absolutely right. The stupid is synonymous, that can be the SMD capacitors rauslöten unfortunately übelst difficult without damaging the board, because they often are attached with an adhesive, also below under it. Most data is then tore a piece of conductor track with ...
You have any idea of quantity of electronics! Are you accustomed to working with it? As it does with the older miniDV cameras from the first generation? Synonymous still have these problems?
Professionally, no but I only tinker-video stuff of childhood, I have to be synonymous with electronics like s.and rum (my parents still say: No experiments disassemble! Not ask again! TJO ...) and since it is the internet I was able to I will detail more informieren.Das synonymous with the capacitors, but I knows from the PC area where the so times (and partly still) a bad topic:
