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Frage von Bubi77:


After years of abstinence, I wanted to back me buy a new camcorder. No. HDTV Cam, because too expensive and difficult to reimplement, "just" a normal cam.

What do you think, therefore, of the new Panasonic, the ca in 3-4 weeks on the market.
Since the chips and the rest are certainly not new, my general question on the quality of insbeondere Panasonic Camera ....

What are the advantages disadvantages as synonymous of hybrid technology (hard drive and SD card ).... I see only advantages!

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Antwort von Markus:

Was it not your requirement, the recordings without any problems (uswith any video editing program) to edit pages? What do you want to be with SD card and hard drive?



Antwort von workingcreative:

Hi, So, I'm of the SDR-H250EG-S of the Datenher and so almost convinced (3CCD, opt. Image Stabilization), but what bothers me is this "3 x 800,000 [total]; 3x 540,000 [effectively, 16 : 9] ". That is to say that the videos are only a Resolutionvon 540 Kpix have?, Because then I fänd 505 of the JVC is better, or makes the Panasonic with better picture quality gone?

The 505 I would be otherwise just because the higher price disincentive, but ultimately it's just me the picture and the real pixel



Antwort von Bernd E.:

working "creative" wrote: "3 x 800,000 [total]; 3x 540,000 [effective; 16:9]." That is to say that the videos are only a Resolutionvon 540 Kpix have?
No, as many are not ;-) As with any after the PAL standard definition camcorder land receiving standard 720x576 pixels (nearly 415,000) on the storage media. If the camcorder more, he usually uses - and if available - for the photo function, or the electronic image stabilization.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von workingcreative:

OK, if you say, but there are still different modes (XP [10 mbps / vbr], SP [5 mbps / vbr], LP [2,5 mbps / vbr]). And then what do these statements carefully (3 x 800,000 [total]; 3x 540,000 [effective; 16:9])? And then why do some camcorder with 1.33 MP on?



Antwort von Daigoro:

working "creative" wrote: OK, if you say, but there are still different modes (XP [10 mbps / vbr], SP [5 mbps / vbr], LP [2,5 mbps / vbr]).

Since the compression of the images raised and lowered by the data, not the size.
At 2.5 M (ega) b (it) p (ro) / s (ekunde) (approx. 300kilobyte?) Should further enhance the quality, however, visibly suffering.

working "creative" wrote: And then why do some camcorder with 1.33 MP on?

Sounds like a HD (high definition)? 1220x1080? 1440x1080? 1220x720? some sort.

It is synonymous with the camcorder around 4000x4000 record:) (Redone http://forum.slashcam.de/red-one-4k-digital-cinema-cam-wird-ausgeliefert-vp214633.html#214633 Cam) only this is more for what's' low-cost digital movies' and for the private man rather priceless.

In normal SD cameras, are inserted, the extra pixels really for the above mentioned functions (photos - still worse than any digicam 100 euros - or Electronic Image Stabilization) is used.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Daigoro" wrote: working "creative" wrote: And then why do some camcorder with 1.33 MP on?
Sounds like a HD (high definition)? 1220x1080? 1440x1080? 1220x720? some sort.
This can be a SD camcorder, when the developer (or marketing) a high value on a seemingly great photo function have placed. For the video is one with so many pixels on a small chip more disadvantages in terms of light sensitivity. And as I said: The video of such synonymous megapixel camera has just 415,000 pixels.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Bernd E." wrote:
This can be a SD camcorder, when the developer (or marketing) a high value on a seemingly great photo function have placed.

1,3 MPixel But reality is no more of Hocher nowadays.

My .. pffff ... 3 years (?) May have old Canon 2.1 Mpixel! (and my cellphone - not really synonymous current model 1,3 MPixel Still image and moving 0.3: D) .. the pictures are still not 'deductible' (is there any $ 10 disposable photo shoot convincing).

HD (V) should be synonymous in the video 'Megapixel'-field, right?



Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:

Quote: HD (V) should be synonymous in the video 'Megapixel'-field, right?

So V is an HD recording format that is currently of most firms in the amateur and Semiprof. Cams verwnedet will. But there are as synonymous AVCHD and DVCPro HD. All these formats have (according to my knowledge) no defined standards.
HD is also not clearly defined.
So this is all a bit different than conventional PAL footage.






Antwort von workingcreative:

OK, that is, if I was not in his HD recording format, or his other things, the PAL has no record, I have more synonymous pixels stored in the video.

but what is now as follows:

Pixel: 3 x 800,000 [total]; 3x 540,000 [effective; 16:9]



Antwort von PeterL:

The Camera has a 3CCD sensor with 800kPx (presumably 3x1024x768) which, depending on the mode of operation only a portion is used. The VDR-D300 as 640kPx at 4:3, and 16:9 in 540kPx all photo operation with max. Resolution.

Gruß,
Peter



Antwort von Jan:

This is probably again a Sony (SR 190 & 290) vs Panasonic (SDR H 250) thread.

I know not why the synonymous with the pixels so difficult for the user is, this is 576i PAL equipment, so over 414,720 tape & hard drive / DVD / SD card, which concerns the SonySR 190, SonyDVD 506, just like the Panasonic SDR S 150th At the end of the chain after Sinalprozessor, a converter for the 720x576 = 414,720 pixels (the 50i PAL standard). Can vary depending on the company in SD & HDD and DVD models easily! deviate.

At P 720 & 1080 models, i is the other, unfortunately, the models often achieve the resolution possibilities of the area is not 1080i, but the company trichsen yes with all sorts of things like pixel shift.

I want to actually squabbling since the Panasonic Sonyvs Before & disadvantages are often already fallen - and are often totdiskutiert.

The model you just say, Panasonic, JVC is just as synonymous to the film card to record at Sony SR models go to the Memory Stick Pro Duo only photos. For many films, perhaps a starting point. In Pana then only one should bear in mind - to SD card recording films no longer have the Dolby Digital sound.

Therefore, the SonyHDD no true hybrid camcorder - if the disk is full, well what is often only after 7-14 h is the case, depending on the HDD camcorder, then it's gone with the video recordings.

Panasonic also has an "Easy" burning capabilities with the included reduction SW - nothing world.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Sektionschef:

Hi
sample clips of H200 can be found here (http://www.pana3ccduser.com/showpost.php?p=87029&postcount=35)
Incidentally, the H200/H250 and the SDR-S150 have not 720x576 but 704x576
mfg
Section Head



Antwort von Jan:

Hab ja of small variations in SD & HDD camcorders reported, according to the Manufacturer. It should only be clarified, which is not a 576i device with 1 or 2 million pixels on the media writes. JVC GR PD 1 I cling now than from exotic.

VG
Jan



Antwort von working creative:

n.also if I etzt the JVC GZ-MG 505 black pixels with 5 million sales, the then in effect s.ned more pixels when the video as MPEG2 then auf'm PC is, as the SDR-H250EG S. Hmm, then I probably buy the Panasonic



Antwort von Jan:

At 720x576 JVC.de is therefore 414,720.

Pana should I look in the instructions, should be synonymous in the rotation are.

VG
Jan



Antwort von workingcreative:

@ Jan
times you could just send the link? because under http://jdl.jvc-europe.com/product.php?id=GZ-MG575EX&catid=100071 Do you have the Panasonic? Are you satisfied?



Antwort von Jan:

JVC Trichen synonymous because a little rum, the product comparison for example with the 505's 720x576 4.2.0 Samling to light. The MG 575 JVC has released.

At least in the instructions or the JVC & Gesammtkatalog 2007 (Page 9) are then the real data to days:

Ultra - 720x576, 50 i (8.5 Mbits / sec) - 384 Kbps Audio Data Rate
Fine - 720x576, 50 i (5.5 Mbits / sec) - 384 Kbps Audio Data Rate
Standard 720x576, 50 i (4.2 Mbits / sec) - 256 Kbps Audio Data Rate
Eco - 352x288, 25 P (1.5 Mbits / sec) - 128 Kbps Audio Data Rate

For all MG models HDD 2007, obviously not for the HD GZ 7th

VG
Jan






Antwort von Jan:

I have the 250er in the company, even as consumer Pana friend I find it good. Of course, the supplied Charger, full manual exposure control, the SD video opportunity, favorable external batteries, optical stabilizer, 3CCD, etc. ...

VG
Jan



Antwort von Genevare:

Hello,

as are the low-light properties of the H250?

Thank you

Until then

Marc



Antwort von Bernd E.:

working "creative" wrote: times you could just send the link? because under http://jdl.jvc-europe.com/product.php?id=GZ-MG575EX&catid=100071 the stands I think not.
The link leads to MG575, but you ask the top after the MG505 - JVC and on their product page is clear and clearly stated "720x576". This information would be needed, however, because a standard-definition PAL camcorder features a maximum of these times now standardized on just 415,000 pixels, irrespective of how many pixels the sensor actually has. But have you Jan and I alone in this thread has been written several times!
Denk dran synonymous, that is usually the video images in low lighting always be worse, the more pixels on the small sensors must insist.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von workingcreative:

I n.jetzt's fully understood, but it still remains puzzling, ... http://jdl.jvc-europe.com/product.php?id=GZ-MG505-HEX&catid=100071 the Jan meant.

So, it is perhaps less is more when it is not HD, and no one wants to 5MP photos.

Thanks for all the answers
creative work



Antwort von Jan:

Yes the company a little obscure, Sony Writes only CCIR standard PAL, Panasonic (H 250) CCIR PAL 625th

PAL CCIR 625 - vertical lines, but 576 of them are used in the video, so 720x576.

It always comes out on the same.

There are synonymous nor 768x 576, depending on the choice of Farbüberträgers, RCA (CVBS signal) about 4 MHz, S-Video 5 MHz components (Betacam 4.2.2) less than 7 Mhz.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Anonym:

Hey, you're in Jan, who works as a seller of Saturn? "The advice in the shop, I have video issues are now fully depreciated. Because you can be lucky and gets s.einen Saturn salesman like Jan, who in Slashcam forum is very active ,"...

http://www.videoforum.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=camcorder&action=display&num=1162233016&SID =



Antwort von Markus:

"Anonymous" wrote: Hey, you're the Jan, ...
Man Jan, you will still famous! ;-)



Antwort von Jan:

Yes the stupid (sau) Saturn seller would save me I can, but now know all. One tip - always remains anonymous.

There are dozens of other good sellers, either in other forums or halt "just" in business.

Meanwhile, I am less active, the advice to purchase the 300-700 ¬ price range is already clear s.die neural border, so stupid here Rumgealber part. Sometimes you get the feeling the party wants the "right" to buy, just do not make mistakes ....

Comparison of the models is not an error, but partly as a breakdown in a 300 ¬ Camera make s.Ende eh known zoom, sound, loose & Auschnittsfehler to make (this does not apply to all)?

Yes I have the errors partly synonymous s.Anfang made.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Jan" wrote:
Meanwhile, I am less active, the advice to purchase the 300-700 ¬ price range is already clear s.die neural border, so stupid here Rumgealber part.


Mach's but like many others seller: hit the customer just what (grottiges not entirely out of his price range) in the hand and say:
"The super is that I've synonymous home":)
Then a few more volumes and a Tripod with beipacken and all are satisfied. ;)

Great features discuss with whom the customer does not always begin knows because he lacks the practice, is not much.
(well, I always find your posts very interesting, because I never not with as many different cameras will come into contact and the professional or prosumer clientele with higher Kameraverschleiss here with something 'reasonable' only garnicht provenance - of, therefore you are 'unique' : D).

"Jan" wrote:
Sometimes you get the feeling the party wants the "right" to buy, just do not make mistakes ....


... s.besten halt a CameraLink, all without the user interaction even perfectly filmed, cuts and burns.






Antwort von RTC:

Hi,

I would like to know how your opinion of the Panasonic H280. Unfortunately, I have not yet found next test reports. Is this camcorder as a successor to see more or less?

VG and thank
RTC



Antwort von kiteschlampe.:

working "creative" wrote:

but what is now as follows:

Pixel: 3 x 800,000 [total]; 3x 540,000 [effective; 16:9]

The 3 x refers to the 3 colors: Red, Green, Blue, RGB color.

Each pixel, which landed on the tape is composed of a mixture of these 3 pixels.

I know of only one sensor (the Sigma (Foveon chip)) it creates a pixel with a catch beliebeige Color.

3 x 540,000 effectively means that your theoretical recording format of 720x576 (PAL) (414,000 pixels) is slightly exceeded. That is because it is around 720x576 Picture a framework that is not on the Picture lands. This is used in some devices to electronic image stabilization, since the sensor host 0815 is product, which in many devices will be installed. It will also be used to photograph here, however, worked with Pixel Shift, the photo resolution to increase.

Chris



Antwort von Jan:

"RTC" wrote: Hi,

I would like to know how your opinion of the Panasonic H280. Unfortunately, I have not yet found next test reports. Is this camcorder as a successor to see more or less?

VG and thank
RTC

So far I've flown over, it is the successor.
With such an expensive camera (which only 414,720 pixels rausgibt) I would you prefer a camera with AVCHD hard drive recommended. True a lot of money to spend for a PAL Camera worthwhile rare.

VG
Jan



Antwort von RTC:

Hi Jan,

thank you for your reply. Are there models of synonymous to what Panasonic recommend?

VG,
RTC



Antwort von Jan:

News to me is the Canon & Sonybei HD cameras simply better.

In the PAL Panasonic camcorders is still the number 1, which shows the simple HDD SDR H 40 and the entry-level MiniDV 90th GS

Panasonic has high-definition SD 9 (memory card) and the HS 9 (hard drive) in the range, a small flaw, but have the models. For Sony, Canon or JVC can either use the old television signal or equal rausgeben immediately 567i PAL record.

With Panasonic's nothing of both, that means you have a later editing program with the data on the old television standard will - as far as you want. This is for customers with old technology or important for customers who are difficult to AVCHD high-definition editing to save.

I sensitivity H 280 good for 600 ¬ just too expensive, at some point, most users time to high definition - this is the H 250 & 280 very ungeignet. Well you can see one way or another.

VG
Jan



Antwort von RTC:

Hi Jan,

thanks for the detailed answer. So in a nutshell nonHD Panasonic top otherwise rather Sony, Canon or JVC? Distinguish the 3 Manufacturer little or models which are particularly well-off?

Well over 600 I did not want to necessarily spend. Therefore, I question whether the price category HD models already exist, where the switch would be worthwhile.

VG,
RTC



Antwort von Jan:

heavy.

The SonyHC 5 (HDV) is good for 500 ¬ sold, the MiniDV tape but have since accepted. Or maybe the old times Panasonic HDC SD 5 watch - the need synonymous around 500-600 ¬ lie. When, however, is not this card and DV editing is very problematic (AVCHD).

The new JVC hard drive models are almost certainly equivalent cut in the test as the Panasonics. I think as the MG 330, 331 & 435th Panasonic SDR H 40, but still provides the test winner.

Sonyhat by their small 1 / 8 "sensor (SR 35) sometimes bad card - I believe it is the last space. Canon has" still "not a pure hard camera with PAL resolution.

VG
Jan



Antwort von RTC:

Hello,

nochmal ne question. If for example, more HD Cam Canon HG10 or Panasonic HS9?

Many greetings and thanks,
RTC



Antwort von Jan:

The HG 10 wins in my opinion in almost every score.

3 CCD and editing in a DV camera, 5.1 sound, manual Tonausteuerung (for my stupidity of Panasonic to offer this important feature, but no headphone output and microphone input installed) (HS 9) had the HG 10 but well done, but you can not have everything ....

VG
Jan