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Frage von Minnemann:


Hello,
I'll buy myself a camera and had ausgeguckt me for a video course of the JVC GZ-MG 505. Since I am a fairly Beginners I would be interested in your opinion about my choice.
What I particularly like is the hard drive, but I have no idea how it behaves when the video system with the processing.

Thank you very much
Roland [/ b]



Antwort von Markus:

Hello Roland,

to know without this camcorder model, I would create a device that is not in DV format takes up (ie all DVD, hard disks and memory cards, camcorder) rather prefer less important, if the recordings will later be reworked.

The reason is that the DV format stores each frame, whereas other devices usually only save the MPEG2 compression (figure) groups. The latter has the distinct disadvantage compared postpro DV.

Learn More:
" Instructions zum Purchase eines Camcorders... natürlich für Einsteiger
" MiniDV and DVD-MPEG-recording



Antwort von Jan:

Hello,

I never imagined the 505 MW now, but once appointed, although I think of the SD / DVD / HD consumer systems not so much.

Very useful is Direktbrenner CU V 10 U - which one can directly without a PC for Camera to DVD burning, so I thought it risking times, although the MC 500 has been a shop keeper.

Well, I say we should not support any "Underdog's" look - sometimes, the first criticisms of other forums even sounded quite promising.

LG
Jan



Antwort von Markus:

"Jan" wrote: Very useful is Direktbrenner CU V 10 U - which one can directly without a PC for Camera to DVD burning ...
What the audience is clearly defined: postprocess Nix, unchanged on DVD and then burn off with the oh-so-precious memories in the living room closet. ;-)



Antwort von Jan:

I'm now once more regarded it makes a really good first impression, and even shoe finally a pivoting display, an accessory, microphone input - headphone jack or manual level control, I could not find, unfortunately, the included battery is unfortunately still the little 707, there would have been give at the price you already have a 714er, and even a little while to really persevere.

1 hour movie will now be transferred much faster, they said something to the minute 5th I was very surprised about the manual control, so the shutter could be so precise as is customary in select JVC, but the model synonymous with the exact aperture (eg f 1.8 f o. 8)
that has surprised even me, who Direktbrenner works fine, picture quality for me a little better than MC 500 (possibly a newer or better Fujinon Lens CCD 's) and synonymous of AF has become a little faster, although it does not set the quality too low should because not only the picture but the sound quality is poor synonymous recorded.

Yes s.end's the Cam is synonymous still have a hard time again - JVC has just not the name ....

Vg
Jan



Antwort von cawdor:

You will have a difficult but not by name but by the JVC price and are still used in engineering ... PAL is s.aussterben by the new technologies in the format 720 and 1080, unfortunately ... why should buying more day if someone is a device for the same amount Pal Money can have both worlds. Clearly the device with these dimensions of performance is really, in conjunction with the quality of what comes out behind a bang, but it comes at min. one years too late ..



Antwort von Markus:

"Guest" wrote: ... why should not buy day if someone is a device for the same amount Pal Money can have both worlds.
PAL is a TV system (more precisely, the color coding) and that there will be synonymous in the future, no preference whether as SD or HD (T) V. ;-)



Antwort von Ando14:

if the recordings will later be reworked.

Hi Markus

What do you mean with post? Cutting, etc., or more complex processing?

I'm an amateur filmmaker and cut videos with the Movie Maker is not that with the JVC 505? And I looked in the jungles of the new camcorder, and this has impressed me (3CCD, HDD opt. Stabilizer ...)

Thanks in advance for your answer ... (more enlightenment, o)))



Antwort von Markus:

"Ando14" wrote: I'm an amateur filmmaker and cut videos with the Movie Maker is not that with the JVC 505?
Probably not, because the device draws heavily compressed on a hard drive. This is not the same as digital video (DV or MiniDV). To my knowledge, the recordings can be a hard disk camcorder editing even worse as those unspeakable DVD camcorder.

It does not matter if it "wants to cut a little" or be followed by a comprehensive video editing.






Antwort von Ando14:

Super! Thanks Mark you're a real expert!

I was thinking HDD would be the future and all would go to HD ... I would like to keep the camera not only for 1 year.

In that case I will rumschauen for a DV Camera with 3CCD MiniDV od?
I've seen of the Panasonic models nvgs, but I think that the joystick next to the record button is not so sure ... And to the many models ... because I s.besten take one of the last (eg 300) or synonymous extends a eg 140th .. can you help me as synonymous?

Can you tell me maybe another camera synonymous (suggest) other brands?
I'm very grateful.

Greeting Ando



Antwort von Markus:

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Antwort von Ando14:

Thank you Mark!

This forum is already a super sache!

Beautiful day and greeting

Ando



Antwort von Jan:

"Ando14" wrote: Super! Thanks Mark you're a real expert!

I was thinking HDD would be the future and all would go to HD ... I would like to keep the camera not only for 1 year.



HDD is synonymous the future, I now quote one time of the Panasonic Management "We have no interest in using a new imaging system is outdated technology, such as a MiniDV tape, so we have not joined Sony & Canon & JVC HDV with 1 / 2 "

The HDD with Pal (MW 505) may not be the best cards has, obviously, but HDV / HD HDD will definitely be enforced, some will stick with DVD / SD card. Although the 505 I really be a good look at Camera, love, despite my Pana.

Yes Mark is a die-hard MiniDV filmmakers and therefore not entirely fair.

First of an entry software at the 505 MW and 2 is here edit and save the HD models as distinct from mere models to DVD MPEG 2 streams, which have one or the other program, the MPEG 2 Import permit (Magix / Pinaccle) the film like. Yes to longer waiting times may occur that is true, MPEG 2 cut is not quite as easy as DV AVI.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Ando14:

"Jan" wrote: Yes to longer waiting times may occur that is true, MPEG 2 cut is not quite as easy as DV AVI.
Hi Jan

Thank you for your contribution. Then I did not lie so wrong ...

As I mentioned, I'm an amateur filmmaker ... (which, despite having no camera ...: o)) I make little videos with Movie Maker or show-biz with pictures from vacations, events, etc.

My "cuts" are therefore synonymous (for now), very limited. (I say supplement text effects build one, lengthen and shorten the time of the blend photos, add sound to ,...)

Perhaps I need for the videos to another program, as you have quoted the Pinnacle.

Well ... what do you mean with longer waiting times?

Thanks again and nice greetings

Ando14

PS: cool your zitat



Antwort von Markus:

"Jan" wrote: First of an entry software at the 505 MW and 2 is here edit and save the HD models as distinct from mere models to DVD MPEG 2 streams, which have one or the other program, the MPEG 2 Import permit (Magix / Pinaccle) the film like.
Was there not been several problems? Or are these possibilities become really safe?



Antwort von Jan:

Oh Grandmaster Mark attacked ......

grml, well I machs wiedert good a customer, I showed your page,'s see if it's what will ....

A variety of DVD camcorders filmmakers had not always synonymous said the problem lay with the MPEG 2, shoot, rather s.der sound as DVD camcorders often with other systems, eg Canon MiniDV recording PCM digital stereo sound (of MV 900 to the XL 2) DVD models Dolby Digital / AC 3 because so many SW has a problem.

Many people have confirmed that allows you change the ending of a JVC hard drive camera of MOD really in contact with several MPG SW, as long as MPEG (2 import permit so much, except perhaps the Plug In Premiere Elements without 's). Yes and JVC HDD cameras are each a sectional with software - ok that is not the weight, but still. Good JVC HDD camcorders use synonymous or Dolby Digital AC 3 as the MG 505, but, strangely, gibts da rare problems.

In Sonysieht it again there will not be cut, SR 90 is again not a pure SW cut it.

I think when SonySR 90 gibts similar problems as with the DVD camcorders, audio again Sonyspricht of Dolby Digital and MPEG-2 recording (same as DVD format) which shows no good, yes, we know plenty of "How do I cut SonyDVD 203 Movies contributions. I still had no time to deal with the SR 90 Schnittmäßig yes to 06.07 and Pinaccle Magix studio 10 pros really neat process DVD data. I noticed the DVD / HDD camcorder via USB to give out their data, will command accepts more of the programs, perhaps is because the data is then pure MPEG's are, and not as DVD camcorder of this small DVD MPEG 2 "subgroup "VOB / VRO.

But with one Mark is absolutely right to ask - MPEG 2 files quite different requirements s.den PC, Every Picture is not fully saved as DV so now would probably know each Slashcam - is even now written into nearly every 10 contributory. The calculator requires some potter, VAD was reported in recent issues which it has already clearly cost me time, one or another program then forced to equal time "with a coffee cake with the family." The box office hours (until it comes to the actual cut) are sometimes synonymous quite steep depending on the program. With DV files has nothing to do that if they are on the hard drive, you get quite straightforward and fast process in many video tracks.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus:

"Jan" wrote: Oh Grandmaster Mark attacked ......
No problem, I am learning this so synonymous to something. And I'm very happy. ;-)

I do not know for example that there are differences in HDD camcorders, which affects the workability of the recordings. HDD models I had been thrown into a pot.



Antwort von Dirk124:

I bought me a 3 / 4 years the JVC MC 200th
The fact that he is as big as two cigarette packs, he delivers a very decent picture-and sound quality.
That certainly corresponds to the DVD quality.
Of the included software, CyberLink has a few bugs, there are patches on Cyberlink_Homepage synonymous.
One can thus very quickly cut the clips and create a nice DVD in best quality.
So if you quickly want to create good quality videos, then that is exactly right. And we must not toil with the bands.
Unfortunately, there is an audio bug. That is, the last 5 frames of each clip has no sound. One then can the clips so composed for the movies and then sound skips between clips. The majority noted that not at all. You can cut off the last 5 synonymous each frame, then it is optimal. On the other hand, the synonymous back then makes more work.
The same is meant to be synonymous for the MC 500th

I would be interested to know whether the bug is still synonymous with the 505. Is synonymous not exclude that the bow is made of the editing software.

The Stillimage are photos of MC 200 with 2 MP synonymous, incidentally very good. 10x15 prints look great.

Greeting

Dirk






Antwort von Ando14:

Hello Dirk

Thank you for your contribution. I would the HDD Camera synonymous for the reason that I am not out and use with MiniDV and her store .... etc. actually buy more than bequemlichkeit.

Only if I must lose s.Qualität but I found the synonymous great pity ... how to write just on the forum.

And even if I get problems with the cut ... I'm no expert!

Have brought up a movie of you somewhere?

What do you use for a program to cut your movies?

Ciao and greeting



Antwort von Jan:

Oh before I forget, the camera has 37 mm thread, but unfortunately it fits the supplied lens hood on it anymore. Without Aperture Filters are not a problem but not synonymous Pol.

VG
Jan



Antwort von alexosnasos:

"Ando14" wrote: Hello Dirk

Thank you for your contribution. I would the HDD Camera synonymous for the reason that I am not out and use with MiniDV and her store .... etc. actually buy more than bequemlichkeit.

Only if I must lose s.Qualität but I found the synonymous great pity ... how to write just on the forum.

And even if I get problems with the cut ... I'm no expert!

Have brought up a movie of you somewhere?

What do you use for a program to cut your movies?

Ciao and greeting

Hello,

You lose no Qualtiy.
The camera creates videos in DVD quality paramters!

In Einr DV camera, which may provide slightly better quality paramters first on tape, you will land sptäter synonymous with a DVD when you burn the movie after cutting to one.

I cut with the attached Cyberlink Power Director and the DVD authoring with doing the ebenrfalls attached PowerProducer. This has been going quite well, if you want a DVD disc quickly and easily ertsellen. Except for the case with the audio bug. However, a synonymous HDD_kamera has one drawback: the data archiving. DVDs are not really suitable for the Lanzeitarchivierung, at least not those who can buy so common. Thus we must consider how to secure their movies for decades.
I do this now so that I burn the expensive on two different DVDs and would renounce the raw data in addition to a DVD-Ram. This yields a total of 3 per DVD produced more DVDs as backup. However, I now come for the backup on an external HDD data to raid.

A sample video I Nirg set.

Greeting

Dirk



Antwort von Ando14:

Hello,
Thanks, that's enough for me completely!
I have been synonymous for archiving just an external HD.
And as you say all the synonymous landing on a DVD to watch the films.

Gruss and s.alle Thanks for your help!

Ando, 14



Antwort von Jan:

Yet what a negative right from the burner CU V 10 U, it automatically finalizes the disc after dubbing, which means the dubbed scenes must be complete if someone can think again after 2 to 3 scenes to burn to it should be noted that the present Sznen DVD will be deleted and only the New on it, well not quite the perfect Direktbrenner ....

VG
Jan



Antwort von hoktar:

I can not decide between the JVC 505 and the Panasonic NV-GS 500th
The JVC'd better resolution, which may not be compensated for the poorer quality?
And what quality is really bad s.der?
Also, what is now actually the difference between mpeg2 and cut at the avis of the Panasonic?



Antwort von Markus:

"hoktar" wrote: The JVC'd better resolution, which may not be compensated for the poorer quality?
When the digital zoom to 800x no one from the stool (and the result synonymous tears has never convinced anyone) who Manufacturer now reached a new number with which they lure the unsuspecting buyer: The number of sensor points on the image intensifier.

What few realize this: A video image (NTSC, SD) always measures exactly (720 × 576 =) 414,720 pixels, or about 0.4 megapixels, no preference how big or small the image intensifier is. - Only 5 megapixels, of course, sell better than 0.4 megapixels. In fact, however, are true: The fewer the sensor points located on a chip the same size, the better the image quality of the camcorder in dim lighting. ;-)

"hoktar" wrote: ... now what actually is the difference between mpeg2 and cut at the avis of the Panasonic?
With MiniDV you have free choice in video editing programs, because even the cheap or expensive software works together with DV camcorders. Transferring images from a tape on the calculator runs usually stress-free. The same goes for video editing.

With DVD camcorders are you currently on 2 (?) Entry-level video editing programs is limited and have some quality loss in the use of diaphragms or image effects. Also I would imagine that by decompressing and Neukomprimieren the image groups, the work does not go as fast of hand.



Antwort von hoktar:

May be; ne) so I'm not stupid, I know that these are the effective pixel, but yes'd trotdem that the 5 m compared to the JVC 4m bisl any better ^ ^

eh, I'd adobe premiere, so anyway a good cut program. ;)

mir gehts especially so that the JVC would stop editing for the horny, you can transfer quickly and rausschneiden especially like s.camcorder what if something is bad, what is indeed in the PANASONIC can not
because if you stop in the middle eg 3 min and then but still has filmed s.end the cassette on it is that these Recording was unnecessary, it can not clear away, just stop mans and add minutes to s.ande still 3rd
The stop is pretty handy;)

I especially do compositing of 3d objects from after effects and cinema 4d.
does anybody know if that goes well with a HDD cam?

Thanks for the response times:)



Antwort von Jan:

"hoktar" wrote:

mir gehts especially so that the JVC would stop editing for the horny, you can transfer quickly and rausschneiden especially like s.camcorder what if something is bad, what is indeed in the PANASONIC can not
because if you stop in the middle eg 3 min and then but still has filmed s.end the cassette on it is that these Recording was unnecessary, it can not clear away, just stop mans and add minutes to s.ande still 3rd
The stop is pretty handy;)


Yes you know the advantages of the HDD has 505 MW, which ne 1 hour movie in just over 5 minutes will be transferred can be called synonymous, just as the better Wide Angled MG 505th But no preference whether your program can deal with MPEG 2 Files, it will require more work from the PC as our DV AVI format that must be considered.

Would like for me at the price - although MG 505 is usually even more expensive, the GS 500 to be favorite.

For me, it's difficult to go through the JVC menu than the joystick of Pana, the good optical stability of the Pana I would be synonymous with the electronic MG 505 prefer synonymous generally, there are plenty of JVC's in the AF speed / stability Low light and still have to catch up. According to my information, get the JVC Fujinon Lens of the MG 505, Leica, in my opinion a better partner for fewer image errors.

That you can adjust shutter and aperture in manual and JVC fine in the exact numerical values is already great, but Pana sets the bar even higher with more manual Gain DB.

Progressive functional I at the MG 505 not found, just like manual Tonausteuerung - 2 GS 500 purchase grounds for ambitious videographers, as the included full-Charger. And why JVC is so stingy, and Mini Battery BN VF 707 mitliefert (the smallest in existence) at GS 500 is at least the 2 Best Series CGA DU 14 there. The included wired remote control, the GS 500 can be useful synonymous. eg when using a tripod, a hand s.Tripod the other s.der remote control (recording & Zoom).

If you can recommend a JVC consumer, then there is the MG 505, although for me there is no way at 1000 ¬ and current New Camera by s.der GS 500 - synonymous'm a little Pana lastig set.

When the band Disadvantages / Size contribute but too bad - then take the 505th MG

VG
Jan






Antwort von hoktar:

Many thanks for the detailed answer, I believe those who attack me for panasonic;)
there now have a video seen on a French site that has been made with the, and (probably there is only me so horny because I'm still rather new to the area) because the quality is even real!

only one thing;)
what exactly do you work with rake?
then render the movie?
that'd make me nothing if it takes longer, since before I got a dual core.

I have the JVC really just terrified that I somehow can not be easily cut or something because even the MPEG2 frames hangs together.

thx
hoktar
(ps the forum here is echt geil, großes lob:)

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is not synonymous with the pana while an infrared remote control?
the JVC is namely a while and here I found a picture which seems synonymous with the pana synonymous one is there.
or is it a SET?
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aja and maybe who knows how long you can hold with the supplied battery?

Thanks again;)
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Antwort von Jan:

Yes with the battery so that is one thing, my intuition tells me many are using the best Fremdakku's and keep the not quite so long.

Yesterday I got with the GS 500 with the supplied Battery CGA DU 14 just under 2 hours done, but I do not particularly play a lot around (zoom, dozens of times play any recorded sound or flash), should be well 1.5-2 h with the battery to be creating .

Yes Infarotfernbedienung is recognized, one in the picture, but synonymous, the wired remote control which is otherwise included rarely has their use, although it is at the disadvantage that there is only one input for wired remote control or the microphone input - since you have to decide which device, one important need.

And if you're still a little unsure, look at the current VideoAktivDigital because the GS has 500 in the practical test - All is swept away, so what did the 1000 ¬, amazingly, the VAD has Lowlighttest the GS 500 with the superior SonyHC 3 on a stage set - so good I have not seen them. VAD saw the MG 505 synonymous almost equivalent to those who can put up with a cassette - will probably go towards GS 500 - but is your choice.

Although yesterday I am encountered with the GS 500 s.The boundaries in really low light - I had no time for lighting, the location was selected in a short time, the picture was still quite ok for the light by lighting candles with reflectors - but faces were relatively difficult to detect, night program was indeed bright, but the thing with the well-known jerks at 1 / 6 sec shutter speed, my Nebenpartner had SonyZ 1 - I was amazed when I rüberluchste his screen - there was the same light the faces of very bright detail see, well expect of a 5000-7000 ¬ Camera you have with that, but the GS 500 is really the measure of all things in the 1000 ¬ class.

MPEG 2 cut exactly as you described, and purely theoretically, it is better, especially when shooting with fine detail, the constant as in the GS 500, the data rate at 25 Mbps and is later compressed to MPEG 2, and then specify your data rate, as equal with small data rate of the film where the camera in difficult situations can have time to blow through.

VG
Jan



Antwort von hoktar:

ok thanks!

2 or 1.5 hours before are super.

you might know whether there is an underwater housing?
namely, I have only this "plastic bags" seen ^ ^
And that does not look really great for underwater use;)

because of the filming in the dark, brings the screen with the lights eh?

what really brings the cable - the infrared remote control gives wenns eh? (except when standing behind the camera, because that's visible infrared connection required).



Antwort von Jan:

For SonyHC 90 gibts a relatively inexpensive housing, but what is good for only up to 5 meters, good UW Housing gibts eg synonymous for GS 400 / SonyPC 1000 - up 40 m - but these are really expensive as similar to the camera and therefore difficult to pay. I think there is probably hire the better choice.

Infared is never safe, especially when sitting "Infarotfühler" forward s.der Camera and I'm behind her, in the wired remote I've always contact, and the 2 main buttons - Recording and zoom under control, the zoom can be synonymous often more sensitive to control.

Without the remote control do I have to use with one tripod, tilt the camera 1 hand, 1 hand Rec button, 1 manual zoom, AF 1 hand so is not really good, especially when it quickly needs to go if you control the remote has directly determine s.Staiv - will be even better - hence the RM Series is a high-quality VCT eg PG 10 RM (which I once was able to test in short, a SonyFX 1) with the known Lanc connection with filmmakers stand quite popular, but not quite synonymous favorable where several functions are connected by a cable of the camera directly s.Tripod quickly controlled.

Yes, the night is on the function Sonyein little better gelösst or should we say more effective in motion, but if you reinwirft the slow shutter function is to come out like that, and if no light is there - there are many cameras, almost blind without highlighting.

Quite nice to turn Is the idea of the screen, which then glows white, and use this as a light to you film it on the viewfinder. But as I said shutter of the camera is then automatically 1/3- 1 / 6 sec what the thing does indeed bright though very little light is there, but when someone moves synonymous wenns lift the hand is only slightly jerky's and thus useless in some situations.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus:

"hoktar" wrote: because if you stop in the middle eg 3 min and then but still has filmed s.end the cassette on it is that these Recording was unnecessary, it can not clear away, just stop mans and add minutes to s.ande still 3rd
I just had to calculate times: If a tape is full you normally just take the next one. MiniDV there s.2 ¬ per 60 minutes, ie 3 minutes would have saved you an effective 10 cents. At least if you put the tapes and not re-archivierst examples.

Murder savings! Saturn would be proud of you. ;-)

"hoktar" wrote: namely, I have only this "plastic bags" seen ^ ^
And that does not look really great for underwater use;)
By doing this you probably mean the UW-housing of ewa-marine. They're better than they look (I have even so one). To 10 m depth and they are suitable for the price, you will have no long hardshell.

"hoktar" wrote: because of the filming in the dark, brings the screen with the lights eh?
No, this is just a gimmick, a gimmick for Technikverliebte.

"hoktar" wrote: what really brings the cable - the infrared remote control gives wenns eh?
As you have noticed correctly: Whenever there is no line of sight to the camcorder. Does the unit synonymous video inputs, one might as a helmet camera and connect the camcorder to carry when cycling in a backpack - and as an IR remote control use is absolutely nothing.



Antwort von hoktar:

na the with the 3 min meant I only just because in practice is;)
not because of the court, that's clear to me anyway.

indeed the ewa-marine I mean.
which is then good, because when the clocks so that it is one thing, if there draufsteht 50m, is the splash gradmal fit;)
And is halt schon super synonymous times when we go on vacation in (or in, can shoot sea), where they really do not like you say sooo are extremely expensive:)

So s.alle thanks, you helped me a lot:>



Antwort von flying.camera:

Hello,

I think I buy synonymous with MG505.
because of their size and key figures, I find this just right for me - when I have been my videos with sony ner did f828 (synonymous went pretty well, but only for web suitable - because there is no real video camera) :-)

after so many infos about the camera, I would like to see a few sample recordings and listen to what owners of this equipment will have to report it s.vor and disadvantages.

am very grateful for links to video / photo samples

grz,
colean

ps: in online media market, I have now seen for the jvc 899



Antwort von almosely:

> _ <I hate the boa, when it costs us in Austria in the media market as much as ¬ 300 more!
such a frechheit!
I'm me now panasonic taken not to media market, since it would have cost 1100 ¬ synonymous.
'm very satisfied.



Antwort von Tommy G:

Hello, I'm Tommy

I have purchased a JVC GZ-MG 505 and have the following problem.
The camera provides satisfactory images for me as long as the camera does not move (swing it gets). Once the camera is moved during the shoot, resulting flimm earth images. This in turn only after processing with Adobe Premiere 2.0. Looking at the captured footage of the camera is directly s.Fersehgerät this is not the case. What could that be? Could s.Editing program be?

Thank you in advance for your answers.