Frage von Annette Liebau:
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Antwort von Bernd E.:
What should I do something s.Besten bill: percentage or fixed price per minute (how much), or the hour? I quite understand that you are not the price of your film for any customer, but the commission of the photographer? If they are your entire collection together over marketing, then I would suggest a percentage share. Thus the incentive for larger, higher-priced your services to sell - assuming, for example, you offer a variety of elaborate wedding videos.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Peter06:
black on them?
Antwort von arionworks:
Hi Annette,
if you do not own / want to work freelance / can
then you will only Lohnsteuerkarte left. If you are already a LstKarte forgive you (for the 1 employer) will remain with the 2nd Lst card is not much left.
Then you must synonymous with the photographer into a real job. That would be on an hourly or daily fee basis to be clarified.
Then you can not synonymous purchases deduct more ...
Ask your tax advisor look after a Steuernr. for an additional self-employment and colleague write an invoice for the entire movie or only synonymous done about the camera work with equipment and costs.
I do not know the prices for a fully produced "Wedding / Event Film" ... Is not my site.
For a professional camera, I would work the photographer of a Tagesgage min. 500, - ¬ net plus. Equipment, materials and expenses into account.
But I do not know your situation.
Regards
Jürgen F.
Antwort von gast 2050:
Hello,
go look in the wedding video forum
http://forum.hochzeits-video.at
There are a lot of information.
Regards
Sepp
Antwort von arionworks:
In 1000 Euro Tagesgage many leave their office does not.
Because ultimately depends on it more than just a day when foreign citizens to spend (equipment, insurance, travel, editing (can take a long time), Sound and Music ....)
Professional work is hardly one among the four
Antwort von Chezus:
With the theme I am currently synonymous. The whole thing is not to say a flat rate because it matters whether one is fully self-employed or small-scale regime prefers, whether it is filming only synonymous or even cuts.
And there lies my problem synonymous. I got me the beginning of the year registered a business as more and more questions came and I thought someday ... hey, all my free time to spend friends and relatives a favor to do that for me without really what will rausspringt (except for free food to celebrate or free admission to concerts, etc. and a few CDs of the bands), nenene
Well, now I have some orders accepted and settled. Prices were mostly flat as the contracting authority always had a certain budget and I've obviously full ;-)
But I will in future be able to say what I desire. What Does it (as a separate full or small) for:
- Travel (n.Prices)
- Cut hours
- Gage (hour, day)
- Material
Or how exactly it is divided on the bill? I am a trained merchant (industry) so I know how bills are written, but every industry is different
Antwort von arionworks:
@ Host
"Under 1000 Euro Tagesgage many leave their office ..."
My speeches, I'm too cheap .... I always do it for half price.
Joking aside ...
I've yet written, net camera work plus ... plus ...
From cutting and music and DVD's with exploitation rights was not even mentioned.
@ Chezus
The design of the Project is dependent on prices.
Of course you can on the faster a wedding / event - Film and calculate the costs, if it does every weekend.
There are, however, synonymous projects where the client / principal of an exact calculation demand. Since it is human, material and separate charges exactly. Then you should already synonymous calculation into account.
I always compared with an architect. This is not the question: "Wat costs because sonn house?" ( "Say Se times, because it cost sonn wat movies").
The answer / counter question is always the same: "How big is because their budget?"
eg by cutting hours?
Ask the customer "and how long you cut? And includes color correction yet to cut?"
Tagesgage example: How many hours the day for a client?
There are camera people who are eligible for 14 hours for 1.000.-/Tag Other calculate 700th - for 8.5 hours and each Überstd. extra. Well noticed on the free market.
So, to the point so you can here in the forum does not answer.
Apart from that, is not a professional on Prices and fees are disclosed.
But perhaps there are other users here can help further.
Regards, Jürgen F.
Antwort von Rene K:
melde but calmly to a business. why not. then you can have your synonymous cost, purchase, etc claim. if you're still the same employee, so interesting for you.
rates are variable. I take 60 euro per hour. fraction of hours to be fully reckoned. plus travel expenses and cut prices of course.
lg. rené
Antwort von Peter06:
Who operates out of in Austria?
Antwort von schnuffelkalli:
I know synonymous cameramen working for 250, - per diem / net
plus expenses and are not a few times ...
ie. it depends on the customer (SME / industry / broadcaster)
and the region (munich / rostock / berlin) see above is believed to live or survive.
gruß cj
Antwort von schnuffelkalli:
I would register a trade synonymous, if jobs are available - especially if it's just a side-trades and otherwise a regular income, think about the purchase of equipment so as to claim at least fiscally.
Moreover, I see it as Jürgen F.: either industrial or side with LSTk - everything else would probably at least in this country fall under moonlighting.
As far as the fees are concerned:
That depends entirely safe from the Project and the desired effort, though I personally would prefer packages. However, I have been synonymous noticed that many entities prefer hours Prices have since come to and then I always synonymous's tailspin ;-).
If I 60Euro/Std. would expect, then the client asks me with certainty how long I will need. This can be for some projects, but just bad s.Anfang estimate.
If you only incidentally, and does so during the day usually goes to work, it could be so quickly under deadline pressure.
Sure you have a journey synonymous with a deadline, but if the delay, the client has at least the certainty that he no longer must pay (for it is virtually synonymous better costing).
As far as I am so far in the various forums could read, but are usually 150-250 (Munich synonymous higher) Euro / day (approx. 8 hours) is calculated - for the clean cut.
Special FX or even a complete soundtrack of course, just more expensive, as the camera work s.sich.
If I find a complete wedding filmed, cut and perhaps even synonymous dubbing them (make my own music and connect the often synonymous with a video project), you would have a 4 digit amount mean. Under the runs nothing.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Following is a small town in Ossieland act, I'd just a test run at 400 euros and make the situation now explore whether there is sufficient customer potentionelle exist ect.
If the first movie is OK then yes you can argue that at this price in the future no longer is, because too much work.
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Antwort von Bernd E.:
For a professional camera, I would work the photographer of a Tagesgage min. 500, - ¬ net plus. Equipment, materials and expenses into account. In 1000 Euro Tagesgage many leave their office is not working ... Professionally hardly one among the four Others calculate 700th - for 8.5 hours and each Überstd. extra. With all the sympathy, but how realistic (= useful) are such statements for a housewife, the hobby with their wedding video something zuverdienen want? In this industry there should be - of course depending of the region - even for established videographers difficult, a total fee of 1000 Euro (incl. perhaps 12 hours recording, 40 to 50 hours finishing, consumables, travel, etc.) to achieve.
Sure, there are still synonymous cameramen, under 1000 euro per day Camera not touch, but this is probably the great exception. In the current May issue of the magazine "Film & TV cameraman" writes, for example, a colleague at the author's abbreviation "tjb": "An ordinary, a documentary cameraman working (and are we not all?), Which pays on a daily basis is achieved his work with a fee that is between 210 and 260 euros before tax lies. "
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Frederik:
Because it is synonymous, but only at the cameraman. The film says and then licks me all s.Arsch I go now to drink my beer!
Who wants a finished product that requires monitoring one days, in the pocket to grasp. If he only snippets of video and sound extra wants - Then synonymous said Pauschalistenpreise okay.
But who is responsible for 250 euros a day filming, then by all Postpro jagdt and then authoring s.besten still operates - which is simply beyond help. Who makes has no idea of business life and will not long be successfully s.Markt. It was because he belongs to the disgusting species of the secondary. These are often people with a normal job and to the main content which will still want to earn.
The mind, but usually not the cost which a firm must bear and then think, Och 200 euros s.Tag this is voll geil --
With so people can I get the Kotzen no matter in what industry they work.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
It's bad because there are even types machens do nothing, shooting in your spare time, rather than that they would hire a cameraman.
And Who is at fault, Red Ball with all the nice consumer cameras and the great prices.
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Antwort von AndyZZ:
There are people who buy a small video camera handy in order to film their holidays. Synonymous not understand why not a 3-man crew and paying rent.
Oh, and there is actually people who want to marry, but could no additional ¬ 1000 for a wedding video service, but still want a little reminder. I can hardly imagine that this "harsh" Nebenberufler you megabezahlten business professionals actually take away!
Who has no money, which is not synonymous to spend 1000 euro. The jerks at 250 euros. Who has money, which is not in the hands of an amateur go.
So: Can you keep Kotze.
Antwort von Daigoro:
The business registration with, I would once again with someone qualified (tax or so .. or just not IHK's Office - that the 'professionals' in the field should be se tell a very nice s.and s.schon bad nonsense) clarify.
That must be as much as I know as a 'small trader' with a turnover below a certain amount (12000 times Mark was sort of the edge) garnicht do - ie commercial register.
Really, the tangible benefits are not synonymous.
It is synonymous as a 'private man' invoices (excluding VAT - a tax deduction is not finally be synonymous with commercial and non-auto).
You just have to 'tidy' book and lead the annual income in the tax state. Under ... tain amount is even entirely exempt (and if you pay no taxes anyway, synonymous brings you the 'cessation' of advertising nix).
Quite apart from the fact that the whole "Absetzerei" no longer really that smart as you and is earlier than any crap book must perform in order to prove that your devices' business' can be used.
When the agency then has the suspicion that you have the Camera synonymous nor private use will be generously weggestrichen anyway and you stay back at its package of some that you did anyway, depend.
The immediate business registration shall be subject of many places although recommended, but is so much Klump, as hechtet known as' micro-entrepreneurs' more scatterbrained the authorities and institutions (my dear friends of the Chamber of Commerce .. grummel * *) who must abstruse things like expected profit and the tax on that is incompatible with that immediately the desire passes.
Still not on my Gewaesch trust, but ask someone who knows so (synonymous local stories .. Foerderung start if no other employment, etc.).
Antwort von schnuffelkalli:
@ Bernd E.
"... his work is a fee that is between 210 and 260 euros before tax lies."
Apology, which receives fees for these productions because of the good wizard?
For 210th - 260th to - ¬ gibts Assis but no good anymore! (10 hr day fee)
The of you, or the "colleagues", said fees are already of the public broadcasters outbid!
In the prisons there are fee-frame contracts for the various activities of the camera men / women, but they are accessible for everyone. Unfortunately, many producers ignore, for the ARD and ZDF productions create this Hororare ...
But on the free market is always in demand and supply. Well noticed for day jobs. At 60 days of rotation must be synonymous compromises.
@ Eve
Why "trial run" on 400th - ¬ basis.
This is not helped. The Annette makes quite some time and keeps s.Markt and its customers.
Of course, the photographer was still synonymous "snap".
So, I think Annette should continue and with a tax. Write invoices, ie independently.
Viele Grüße Jürgen F.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
In the prisons there are fee-frame contracts for the various activities of the camera men / frauen...für ARD and ZDF productions ... What is the EB-field hears it, less than 250 euros per shooting not so unusual ... The reason why we are comparing apples with pears, but that it is simply not the cameraman with fixed fees there. Annette, for example, do not want to television series or films to produce, but apparently wedding shoot and edit videos.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Chezus:
I do not understand why everyone is upset about the Nebenberufler! For me, for example, offers at the moment no solution other than the shooting and cutting-time to operate. I will of course synonymous me what dazuverdienen, and later possibly work fully independently.
If I had talent and it's fun to me, why should I not do?
Only s.Samstag I have a colleague with a wedding filmed while he makes the cut. Quite formally, with job creation, etc.
200 Euro Tagesgage but I usually at more length would require.
That I ask s.Anfang little is because I am a customer wants to build circle. Good price performance level.
Again to my question:
As with charges looked like? For the average hours it requires probably less than for the film hour. But as in the relationship?
What does her flat and Directions for fuel or per kilometer?
etc. etc.
Antwort von Jan:
How good are you as Filmerin, sorry to say 15 years did nothing about the quality of the films. Even some people with 15 years of hobby filming filming still in the automatic transmission, with Auto White Balance in any situation, eternally wide excerpt, little understanding of important image positions (near, medium shot, shot, etc), please do not misunderstand, it is not for you " gemünzt ".
What do you have for equipment?
Camera (which and how many?), Light suitcases, Tonangel, Microphones, Tripods etc?
I arrived Saturday synonymous to a wedding, actually with a lot of joy in advance, just before the wedding I got a SonyPC 110 & 120 in the hand is pressed, with the words "Yes Jan du film quite so much, it will be something that we wanted to no wedding angagieren filmmakers ... "
Of course there was not a tripod, and Tonangel Microphone missing, I quickly said no desire to be an amateur wedding movie with zero accessories without Tripod (hold time a vertical Consumer PC 120 20 minutes at the ceremony calmly!). At the end I made it.
I sometimes do not know what the people think in such an important event for life. That must be it ¬ 500 value, and it would be convenient for an entire day.
Too much digressed, 500 ¬ is a daily rate for one! Cameraman, depending on how good your work and how big your customer base, you can already require.
If you have the normal Amateulevel lying, I would have about 200 ¬ for a wedding (with ceremony and celebration) request with beautiful DVD authoring 300th already
I was with a friend as synonymous for 4 days for a normal daily rate (daily meals was included) of a cameraman working s.Anfang it is synonymous to customer loyalty.
The photographer gets quite Intressenten the times for a wedding in the house, even a good start.
Whether one but not later without making the photographer should have to think about. You have more of a small salary, and then have their pictures sell quite expensive, of course, the pictures during the wedding guests have to be presented.
Stop trying to contact the people the ceremonies in the city to make out the names, places & Trauzeiten are already quite long known, perhaps the couple before their marriage has a nice little send advertising, short with short DVD & convincing images of other ceremonies, or direct response.
VG
Jan
Antwort von MadEyedMoose:
... But who is responsible for 250 euros a day filming, then by all Postpro jagdt and then authoring s.besten still operates - which is simply beyond help. Who makes has no idea of business life and will not long be successfully s.Markt. It was because he belongs to the disgusting species of the secondary. These are often people with a normal job and to the main content which will still want to earn.
The mind, but usually not the cost which a firm must bear and then think, Och 200 euros s.Tag this is voll geil --
With so people can I get the Kotzen no matter in what industry they work. Hi!
This is, in my industry (music) is exactly the case. But there is no
Problem as an amateur synonymous sounds like a Amteur and love to synonymous
low budget must play. Schlimm if it would not! I
1995 synonymous for 100 DM (!) Per evening started - it was more synonymous
not worth it - and today I take "something" more.
So if you are your "reference-wedding film" X shows the customer
he will have an inkling that his buddy with the new camcorder
is not so how.
Do not stress, which regulates everything yourself. Or do not you?
LG Klausi
Antwort von MadEyedMoose:
PS Do I have the attitude now with FDP choose?
;-)
Antwort von MadEyedMoose:
But who is responsible for 250 euros a day filming, then by all Postpro jagdt and then authoring s.besten still operates - which is simply beyond help. Who makes has no idea of business life and will not long be successfully s.Markt. It was because he belongs to the disgusting species of the secondary. These are often people with a normal job and to the main content which will still want to earn.
Repulsive species of secondary ....
.... what a charming expression!
But comfort you so: they create secondary ja eh never the quality of the professionals - but keep holding on "Uncle Max" level. And so the market is always learns quickly that there is nothing for free - or that the miserable quality synonymous Money brings bad and vice versa.
Antwort von MadEyedMoose:
Repulsive species of secondary ....
.... what a charming expression!
But comfort you so: they create secondary ja eh never the quality of the professionals - but keep holding on "Uncle Max" level. And so the market is always learns quickly that there is nothing for free - or that the miserable quality synonymous Money brings bad and vice versa. I would be me not so sure. The fact is that someone who makes the sideline, hardly have the time likely to accept offers all that a professional could take. Therefore remain the big things anyway usually hang with the professionals who spend the whole day so that you can employ.
However, the quality is concerned, it must not necessarily be that a professional delivers better ideas in Comparison to a "Nebenberufler". For professionals, it is often just a job - routine, so to speak. The Nebenberufler make it so often is not necessarily for the money, but because it's fun to them and if you have something of the invested money back - why not! Many are more with the heart and that it can be seen as synonymous then sometimes s.den final result. The technique and tools are becoming increasingly affordable and are no longer just a small circle of users and reserved, it is exactly that, perhaps some professional fears: the competition is simply larger and thus it is then sometimes synonymous to such radical statements, as above.
What in the video field is still very expensive, is the camera equipment and even the tools with which good recordings arise. This will certainly synonymous not change so quickly. But it is precisely what the Post Pro and especially the cut is concerned, a nebenberufler might deliver more creative things, as someone who as a business content. Maybe he needs more, but if you look clean cut looking competitions, where everyone can participate (are rare, but there are s.and s.mal what, where the material is made and it only goes to the cut), then often that the agencies of the classic stuff, while the interesting stuff of hobbyists are delivered.
There is also synonymous people behind the scenes and look not only at Aunt Elfrides birthday party levels respectively.
Sometimes the amateur leisure synonymous informed than the pros - is precisely the advantage when you have no time pressure in the area, as you can afford it, to researching the problems and to consider an interest. Somewhere on the web you can find an answer to certain problems. The professional has the experience, but what's the use of experience, if you have any ideas?
However, I think not synonymous, that the nebenberufler threat to the pros, except that from the side sometime times a full-time is ...
Antwort von PowerMac:
Everything is under 200 Euros / day is prostitution of soul and body. Note: a working day may be six hours long, but synonymous times 12th But on average no more than ten hours.
Antwort von Hollgo:
The question is actually easy to answer: take a sum, with which you come to your costs and still earn something.
You can arrange a fixed course, but remember it synonymous, what expenses you have, what time effort you need to operate etc. pp.
I have a wedding video of your friend on the occasion of silver before the eyes: they are synonymous self "professionals" committed to "professional" Prices increased, but almost 1:1 full documentation provided.
3 hours (!) Length were the result, we had the "most exciting" moments forward (great technique: of DV Cam to VHS tape, still today).
The arrangement was that just makes a beautiful wedding film.
What I am saying: there are "professionals" and professionals.
Some people are content with simple synonymous sequences of scenes without much post, the main thing is that they have anything vorführbares on this occasion.
Put decide what you want to offer, whether with, partial (rough) or without post and then create the Prices, then you working clean.
Not every customer wants a glossy film a la dream wedding as a reminder.
Antwort von Chezus:
Also, there are professionals and professionals.
An example:
a self-pro advertises on its website with a number of titles and references. Wherever he has worked all over and in what position ...
When I click his technique compatriots did, I was the first time aback. Why is a pro when he is accustomed to professional equipment, with a Canon XM1? And how does a professional to be synonymous to advertise that it intersects with Pinnacle.
well, I thought. Not the tool makes the film but that it serves. Sample videos viewed: so badly composed, mostly static shots with boring pictures (boring in the sense of nothing happening and nothing special to see). The sound was dreadful and was cut only with Hardcut. No Apertures black or possibly at times a matching crossover Aperture.
I like, I thought, if it costs nothing, it is so beautiful and good.
Then I have to compatriots Prices:
Each project is different, so hard to say ... (always clear)
... for a 3 minute short video (promotional video) they must be up with 2500 euros expected.
Sowas würd I make 2000 euros synonymous ;-)
Such a professional is someone complains. And the market will not break? Think times drüber after. Now none of this is exaggerated, really
Antwort von Eva Maier:
For me, the s.Ort "Widerlinge" 500-600 euro and the people with whom I have spoken gefällts.
(presented once and disappeared in the gallery)
With industry would certainly at least by 19% and repulsive in many cases garnicht emerged.
Personally I see the camera men Hochtzeitsfilme than happy to do business basis with photographers who specialize in photographs.
/ E
Antwort von Chezus:
I personally only as weddings filme Beibrot. If a wedding filmed wants mach ich das then if he wants to have cut, do I use the synonymous and hang myself properly so that the purely synonymous a video for eternity is not where he must constantly forward.
I prefer movies, concerts and cut like promo videos or image films. All-time.
Thus, I think I am not a wedding filmmakers include (in the rail photographers passport-match).
Only, I still can not stop what I use for a cut will require hours or how to calculate what s.besten. Sure, everything is different. For a carpenter each object is synonymous otherwise identical synonymous although he pieces together zimmert. A carpenter, however, synonymous with Certain amounts which he calculated. And I would like to learn.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
@ Chezus
This I could well imagine that the videos onto your new calculator will be particularly attractive.
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Antwort von Chezus:
Viiiiieeel better.
Seriously. Not necessarily better. Only they will be ready faster. And some things appear cleaner.
Work faster = more jobs = more experience ....
One can therefore conclude that my movies through the new computer will be better, yes :-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Personally I see the camera men Hochtzeitsfilme than happy to do business basis with photographers who specialize in photographs. I do not know if you ever engaged two of itself did - you had your mind one way or the gegönnt. Personally I would like a more nuanced view.
Also I prefer other subjects and movies only a handful of weddings a year, but I'm surprised how often contemptuous of wedding movies (r) is herabgeschaut. That there is here as everywhere synonymous black sheep who make life easy and just scrap deliver is clear. The average wedding professional filmmakers today but provides no uncut three-hour videos with bad sound and bad camera work - or unimaginative, eternal same as it works now times passport office because of his need.
Both the often very long, tiring and under great time pressure, the rotation as synonymous with expensive post-demand capabilities, particularly those of industrial or Eventfilmern absolutely no need to hide. The only thing is the wedding video really lacks is the reputation and the associated revenue to be achieved ...
One can therefore conclude that my movies through the new computer will be better, yes :-) Also of me still, congratulations to the new calculator!
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
@ Bernd E
Since I am quite of your opinion.
Dispute would be only what all of the species belong to their hobby with Magix & Co operate -;)
/ E
Antwort von wolfgang:
Both the often very long, tiring and under great time pressure, the rotation as synonymous with expensive post-demand capabilities, particularly those of industrial or Eventfilmern absolutely no need to hide. The only thing is the wedding video really lacks is the reputation and the associated revenue to be achieved ...
Right, I see the same. There are wedding filmmakers who do not have to hide what the quality of the films. Anyway, I find it problematic, the quality of a film in such categories as "professional", "amateur" or "Nebenberufler" abzuhandeln. I have very poor professional films, movies and wedding synonymous bad amateur films - and then all these groups of very good films. It is still holding on to the skills - and the desire in this area.
Antwort von Jan:
Hi,
I think wedding filmmakers have more difficult, I've seen so last Saturday, what time can be stressful because Hersche (wedding, outdoor shots, ceremony).
Yes many call themselves professionals, in part simply because there is mandatory.
You get rare Auftträge if you are as ambitious amateur with good work imagine if you immediately imagine as a professional, you have an easy game. I had the synonymous s.eigenen body know what aspiring amateur - we do not have time ........
But synonymous our flagship professional camera Force are not always on the Height, I remember s.den Press Club last Sun in ARD 12 clock, there were a few extreme camera movements - and the one with Digibeta with first class technology, so do not understand. Some were synonymous not setting the standard, faces extreme touch, yes, depending on the videographer is popular or not.
Now the people look Digibeta, I say quite cheeky, amateurs have made it much harder partially deliver good material, because of inferior technology synonymous.
I've often seen with me, 1-2 cameras for a concert, usually working 10-15 cameras at a concert filming, synonymous professionals make enough disposable material, even with 15 cameras, you have always with a good picture when the cameraman does not fully practice their profession has failed (eg setting and exposure).
Even on television, the normal viewers do not know the car in the OB
permanently between the cameras and her being stopped, the transmission head (no idea how exactly does now) already provides about 2 seconds before the picture actually is broadcast when a grad Camera not included in the Picture "(no good pictures shows ) and swings to the next, at 5-10 cameras not so difficult to permanently get good picture.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Hochzeitspassideograf:
Personally I see the camera men Hochtzeitsfilme than happy to do business basis with photographers who specialize in photographs.
/ E True, the difference is not synonymous to each. What are you doing professionally? Cart slide together? Respect ...
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Hi Passideo
Shopping is safe together push Money
Antwort von r.p.television:
So I can (even as a long-time professional) not quite understand, like here on sideline and amateurs will hergezogen.
Are not all professionals through secondary or ambitious amateur Filmerei come to their profession?
So for me it was in any case like that.
I could not afford to study and my Daddy, I wanted to ask not synonymous.
Diploma cameramen do not now fall from the sky.
And trust me, I almost bet that there is very little that is not even sometime times as a professional was clammy and that "this herabgelassen" has a wedding film to produce.
And if I s.meine early years, or the change from amateur to professional bearing recall, were the orders as a wedding videographer sometimes the toughest of my career.
You're alone, no assistants, you zerrst the equipment has been 6 hours with rum and you have an estimated 4-5 Dir before you have the camera from the tripod just made a speech (sigh) begins, the camera quickly to the shoulder, The speech lasts, the Camera will be harder, you sweat in your jacket after 20 minutes is the talk at last come to an end, you have to pee really badly - but the daughters do a performance, it will seamlessly touched the cake, then again in a speech. ... the flashing tape, flashing the Battery, where fucking is at once the bag? Who has gone? Finally a break?! You want to loo's but you plucks again someone on the sleeve ....
This can continue indefinitely .....
I do not look at any rate to decrying wedding film down - no more than a little sympathetic, because I know how stressful it is.
And perhaps a little on the issue: I've had (this was 15-13 years ago) about a Tausi made. In Mark, however. But since the market had approximately the same value as the euro today.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Hi folks,
So for a promotional movie movies in local movies, my parents put times 2800, - DM out (end products 35 sec)
The "professional" then comb with a Canon xl swings on Tripod vorm Laden once, then again finished inside .....
I was naturally inspired me to tierisch .....
As the father said he wanted something new that makes new offers carefully cut out, I even filmed stuff and something new 3D model.
Now when I was finished (1 min FX Power / 3 days Full Time Job ;-) said Father
"Yes NEN streak in the corner, with offerings flashing, would have been enough" ....
The neck was still greater, I pulled the original video in A scheiss FX made the bar in the corner, it showed the father, who was thrilled .... then I closed FX and A said
"This haste now seen how to do it and how long it takes. Now go to the idiot and ask what he wants "....
Dispute was of course perfectly .... father was sour stock ..... and yes the "professional" then again demanded 400 euros for the stripes (bars) :-((((
Today if someone asks what I say what it cost "$ 350 an hour" because you get 1 hr then synonymous real work ".... when I get with the customer next talk, I declare that as a banner / etc or website. whole hour .. no time ......
Because of my honest, I kind of come as synonymous to a nice final solution, so that both sides are satisfied.
It is probably important to you today a lot of money really for nothing because what is synonymous nix is worth (I do not understand ... but what solls)
I recommend
15% Provission for the photographer and the mere ceremony for round 1000 euro further celebration for 500 shots - the final product is the raw DVD disc and a DVD-cut (no other deductions) (each DVD costs squeezed in around 3.80 EK euro decrease in 100Stk !)
Eg If I must shoot wedding photos! Then it cost me only the hairdresser (a friend) about 150, - euro hr, there is still no Still Image made! And then computed times per A3 print only about 30 euros because we know what costs what.
Come clear .... shoot at just a hair outside costs ca 80, - Euro ..... so what should we discuss this great rum ..... Who does not want to know, ...
Sorry for the novel out there ... but there are enough people who believe what you can (see per site).
In my state only "If you need no fency Wepage, to know that we rockin'it just go a head and contact us"
Alla B. DeKid MfG
PS: In Second Life cost of a wedding event at the moment about 10-15 000 L $ which is round 40 - $ 60! Yes there are simpletons and mentally in the Metaverse wish to marry Spoilers.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Sorry, but that is almost unreadable. Too late for you? Please edit.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Sorry ... so better ?-)... was not quite in the case :-)
Antwort von Axel:
The Money is not everything. If no one's thing's fun, it can synonymous a high price call for a high price.
I would listen to what people want and with them a concept record. Is foreseeable that with their ideas I come clear, I propose a fixed price before.
Are they an hour, I reject (punishment of the damned, so something must be put together, but that everyone must know), and they say, despite the decrease in the observed agreement "where was because Aunt Anna?" and "why is the Ave Maria reduced", I make clear that major changes are very expensive. Not because the workload would be so extreme, but because I have no desire to do something. That's the advantage if you are not a professional (Prosti) is.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
"a total fee of 1000 Euro (incl. perhaps 12 hours recording, 40 to 50 hours finishing, consumables, travel, etc.)"
1000: 52 = 19.23 Euro / hour, less consumables, travel etc.
If you are a self-employed such an hourly wage must accept the whole, either for fun s.der joy, active-time or just be Strunzedumm.
It is worthwhile at all. The 20 euro per hour, I would not even accept an employee as an independent contractor and certainly not.
After deducting the tax, the costs (rent, car, equipment, various insurance companies, possibly even more workers) is as good as nothing left.
There is then a net hourly wage for the arbeitswütigen Samariter with you today will probably not even Polish harvest helpers could impress.
The more one follows the price pressure creates one more for less and less revenue. He that is of course nice to blame. And that affects not only our industry.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
The 20 euro per hour, I would not even accept an employee as an independent contractor and certainly not.
I know from my professional practice since people who are six, seven to ten euros paid, and then, one full-time job for not even strictly optional. With a Zwanziger the hour, you're already quite well served. That's what I call whining at a high level,
Antwort von AndyZZ:
The 20 euro per hour, I would not even accept an employee as an independent contractor and certainly not.
I know from my professional practice since people who are six, seven to ten euros paid, and then, one full-time job for not even strictly optional. With a Zwanziger the hour, you're already quite well served. That's what I call whining at a high level, From the hourly rate will remain after the deduction of taxes and social security is not synonymous left as a 5-8 euros an hour left.
The equipment must finally be paid to and departure from, consumables ...
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Of course, many employees of lower wages to live, I would neither deny nor well-read ...
If one full-time, despite not even the money is strictly optional for is something wrong. At the time I even Aushilfe 12 euros an hour will, and without further deductions.
Those who exploit it is sometimes synonymous themselves to blame. Anyone who can exploit MUST have my condolences. There are enough layers of the synonymous forced me to take underpaid jobs would leave - I pray every day not one of those around him.
What I wanted to express but mainly:
Hourly wage is 19 euros for a self-employed is not acceptable, unless he really is a (e) Business / Company represents and not the resident at Mami is Freelancer.
Antwort von Axel:
The more one follows the price pressure creates one more for less and less revenue. He that is of course nice to blame. And that affects not only our industry. That's true, and can simultaneously None escape. Who films failed to make schema F (see the example in the contribution of long B.de Kid), but really creative
and use this experience, can, well, everything ask what you paid him.
Unfortunately, it is that most films
about marriage value will be sold. Why? Because probably not as many
good people have pointed Bock, crafts kitsch to produce. And because, if the photographer collects ¬ 1000, it counts the video as much or more admitted.
The videos are a better design at a level of
Schöner Wohnen Dokusoaps the best, the more care in the preparation (the people you must
know), at the recording and the average demand would be so expensive in comparison, that they are generally of experienced amateurs come and be sold
under value.
Small business account does not mean overnight at hand have become ...
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Ultimately, anyone can ask for as much as you paid him. The question is whether the customer ever come again come again or recommend.
There are wedding movies super providers to deliver truly first-class work and others where you do not even have to pay 300 euros. I would not so pauschalisieren! Of course 1000 euro inappropriate if someone arrives with a XM1, 4 hours filming the entire and only recordings on DVD plackt but if someone makes the effort and invested several hours of work should be synonymous paid.
Regardless of whether the quality s.Ende true. As would have the customer in advance to better inform the references the company has, or how such a wedding video provider looks. High prices are just one criterion for good work, such as low prices for poor work. Those who are with the wrong prices out but definitely a shortcoming in the information sector of the market economy.
Antwort von r.p.television:
"a total fee of 1000 Euro (incl. perhaps 12 hours recording, 40 to 50 hours finishing, consumables, travel, etc.)"
1000: 52 = 19.23 Euro / hour, less consumables, travel etc.
If you are a self-employed such an hourly wage must accept the whole, either for fun s.der joy, active-time or just be Strunzedumm.
It is worthwhile at all. The 20 euro per hour, I would not even accept an employee as an independent contractor and certainly not.
This is exactly the point of a professional or beginner Nebenberufler differs.
For me it was only 1000, - DM (although at the time around 1994 around the same value as was 1000, - Euro, I think).
I have seen it back then so I have talent, I have the skills & knowledge, I have equipment, but I need experience and someone to finance my hobby .... perhaps it is indeed more. Ultimately it was more and I have with this (really underpaid) Zubrot my equipment financed, with whom I later had earned real coal. And I have fun as in this way, the seller will know now to my best customers are (not marriage, but industry).
I have always endeavored to deliver the best quality. Technically and content. And it is synonymous in the training should be doing. I think it was worth it and some couples have a beautiful memento reuen and no marks.
This work is underpaid or less as a kind of learn what you get (rather than perhaps at SAE or so to pay). You learn what uncertainties to a later professional life may encounter. Technical breakdowns, physical boundaries (and because you as a wedding film desöfteren ran) and then next.
The Professional says, of course: 1000, - Euro net are beautiful and good, but I work only hold a maximum of 16 hours for it. Everything about it is extra. Or he previously estimated s.and makes a lump sum (but then the man synonymous times should adhere to if it was not at his hourly rate and the quality is still true). This looks to me for 10 years exactly.
Due to this fact there is rarely just real pros at weddings (only the so called).
A) because it can pay or None
B) because not a professional so the prices can be screwed down and wants.
The few exceptions are weddings of rich spinners, the several thousand euros in the budget.
I know in any case none of the exclusively weddings actually can live without a main occupation to have. Alone because most weddings, but more in spring / summer schedules are. What do you do in winter?
Antwort von Sakas:
Cutting ;-)
You've been right most of the filmmakers make good wedding incidentally synonymous productions for industry and business, or make it on base sideline.
Really like this can live in this country probably the least among them. In America, the example is very different. Since the industry is booming for some time and there is no end in sight. Although, the market will probably synonymous soon be saturated or is there already.
Antwort von Axel:
In America, the example is very different. Since the industry is booming for some time and there is no end in sight. Although, the market will probably synonymous soon be saturated or is there already. Southern Europe, especially Greece. There are so many wedding outfitters that it's hardly believe. Wedding videos are a must synonymous. The quality is the lowest drawer of some to judge that I could see. From cheapest zugekleisterter finished effects mega kitsch. Who said the docu-soap levels (and a healthy stomach), there could easily live and well.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
I have the SDE on a Russian wedding seen - of quasi Russians for Russians - I was just terrible. The wedding hats but people liked the best.
That was such a beautiful wedding but the video ... Just like you mentioned of the Greek productions - Total cluttered with kitsch, flying hearts and flowers opening - Almost the entire effect of a range of consumer cutting program, coupled with bad editing and the recording quality of a 1-chip camera hand ...
For 500 euros but at least including same day edit and presentation. The question whether the cheap or too expensive, I was still me ;-)
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) (And a healthy stomach) (...) I do not understand ...
Antwort von r.p.television:
I think he actually thinks the food ....
Perhaps, he mainly in Greece, or sit knees experienced ...
So if you are working there to gain a foothold technically, you should have a sturdy stomach.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"If you need no fency Wepage, to know that we rockin'it just go a head and contact us" For heaven's sake! ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von camworks:
"If you need no fency Wepage, to know that we rockin'it just go a head and contact us" I see that yes now! :-) Was'n the für'n English? lol
Sorry, yes, I do not laugh about spelling weakness, but because I really had to read three times before I had it savvy. why do not you write something in German? because you would be a "zaunige website" and the "go head" safe even noticed.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
"If you need no fency Wepage, to know that we rockin'it just go a head and contact us"
I see that yes now! :-) Was'n the für'n English? lol
Sorry, yes, I do not laugh about spelling weakness, but because I really had to read three times before I had it savvy. why do not you write something in German? because you would be a "zaunige website" and the "go head" safe even noticed. Yo Is ok, sorry, "fancy" is of course with "a" written and ahead together .......
So happy now .... I am grateful for the hint.! ..
Oh yes there mouth is synonymous together.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... "fancy" is of course with "a" written and ahead together ... So now pleased ... My little satisfaction depends more on the state of your website from ;-), but if you're already changing and the text must be in English, why you korrigierst not synonymous then the rest a moment so that it is not the hairs to mountain standing leaves?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
... "fancy" is of course with "a" written and ahead together ... So now pleased ...
.... why you korrigierst not synonymous then the rest a moment so that it is not the hairs standing mountain to be?
Gruß Bernd E. Because I have a bald head did it .... and the theme synonymous nix relevant documents. On wood grows no grass ;-)
