Frage von Jenna-allrad:
Hello,
I have currently a Sondy DCR-HC 53 - I was quite satisfied synonymous.
However, I do so much now, but I discover more and more things that disturb me. She was so synonymous as beginner camcorder thought ...
The whole test different irritate me a little, so I hope I here someone has a tip.
I'm looking for / need one for the following:
- I film a lot of training (riding) in sometimes not so good light, often cold, lots of movement - because my current schwächelt very
- Should the hard drive and / or have memory card - the tapes but I find quite cumbersome
- Still possible and it should be good
Price category: not more than 700, - ¬
The most important thing is that with the light and the movement! Sound is not so drastically that has me at my current synonymous enough.
But especially in cold weather and low light (indoor riding arena) and then in fast motion but I lose quality.
Is there a question coming?
Or what kind of device would otherwise possibly used for?
It need not necessarily be a new unit.
I would be grateful to you for answers!
Antwort von tillbaer:
Hi Jenna,
So I'm afraid because you'll have to SonyVX2100 or SonyFX1 must go. The small consumer camcorders are simply too faint for such a task. Good, one or the other will be slightly more or less noise, but it is the combination "Lowlight, quick movement and good Still Image" with a below-mentioned models hardly possible.
Greetings - Til.
Edit: The really bright start without a tape rather then the way, so s.5.000, - ¬. The above MiniDV models used so you get about s.1.300, - ¬ (VX2100) and s.1.700, - ¬ (FX1).
Antwort von Jenna-allrad:
Have just read the top post purchase advice regarding general:
It is apparently better but a device with mini - DV to take.
What are the devices?
It need not be perfect, just a bit better than my ...
Is it because nothing less than 1000, - ¬?
Light is sometimes halt the problem - especially when the snow is not much daylight into the hall, and the lamps cast shadows - and since then is the time until the camera back is sharp too long and the sequence already over .. .
Or asked differently, come with me to 700, - ¬, for a used unit?
Antwort von Jan:
Quite easy to answer this for the money - the Canon HV 30!
A used VX 2xxx or PD 1xx for 700 ¬ will be difficult ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von Nowawes:
Hello,
for the price under 1k ¬'s currently nothing better than the HV30. ;-)
Lowlight Test Video with quick movements go?
http://www.vimeo.com/762054
Or here is my Bauchtaenzerin. Since wars synonymous not just bright, when I filmed the lady had ... ;-)
http://www.vimeo.com/2193936
The original 1080er quality is again much better, because Vimeo synonymous with only 1.7 Mbps streams ...
Have Phun - is schon ne schöne Cam, the HV30!
Antwort von tillbaer:
@ Nowawes:
The belly dancers clip is good here if not for a comparison with a few fluorescent lights illuminated Reithalle.
The water-triffts clip as more secure.
@ Jenna:
I have several HV30 and am also totally thrilled. But that one in a Still Image in a quick movement Lowlight still could analyze something big, I can not confirm.
Either my Picture too dark, or a long period of time (automatic) shutter speed is too much movement blur.
Perhaps there would be yes but the possibility of at least one area of your riding arena with Baustrahlern so aufzuhellen that at least in this area usable shots come.
Greetings - Til.
Antwort von Nowawes:
@ Til: So I like my Bauchtaenzerin - and let's face it, the comparison with a horse limps but vastly - or?! ;-)
Antwort von tillbaer:
@ Nowawes: Well, I "like" it synonymous :-)))
Antwort von Jenna-allrad:
Okay ...
Let the times Still image, such as something outside, because the function I would like to use outdoors and for more beautiful pictures in sunlight or light in the hall.
War of me maybe stupid described.
For still pictures indoors in low light but then I take my SLR, which can do that
Is the HV30 since then okay?
Or put differently, on what features should I use for my recording needs to look out for?
How can I tell the device less synonymous with good light halfway good record?
@ Til
Unfortunately, currently no additional light. This is planned for next year. That would of course solve the problems, because it sobal eg in the summer generally has more daylight - synonymous makes my 53-HC SonyDCR no problems anymore. Then there is the Picture synonymous clear again (at least good) and by the higher temperature liquid again synonymous in the movement sequences. The cold is probably to each device, or is there a trick?
Antwort von Rolf Hankel:
Hello,
I have currently a Sondy DCR-HC 53 - I was quite satisfied synonymous.
However, I do so much now, but I discover more and more things that disturb me. She was so synonymous as beginner camcorder thought ...
The whole test different irritate me a little, so I hope I here someone has a tip.
I'm looking for / need one for the following:
- I film a lot of training (riding) in sometimes not so good light, often cold, lots of movement - because my current schwächelt very
- Should the hard drive and / or have memory card - the tapes but I find quite cumbersome
- Still possible and it should be good
Price category: not more than 700, - ¬
The most important thing is that with the light and the movement! Sound is not so drastically that has me at my current synonymous enough.
But especially in cold weather and low light (indoor riding arena) and then even during rapid movements but I lose quality.
Is there a question coming?
Or what kind of device would otherwise possibly used for?
It need not necessarily be a new unit.
I would be grateful to you for answers! Hello
Look at my listing in E-Bay, maybe it would be something for you
http://foto.search.ebay.de/panasonic-nv-gs-400_Foto-Camcorder_W0QQ_trksidZm37Q2el1313QQfromZR40QQsacatZ625
Greetings ... Rolf
Antwort von tillbaer:
Hi Jenna,
the cold is no problem. Important is only the Temparaturwechsel. 1) Take the camera directly from the heated space in the cold (for example, in the cool hallway before ne half hour leave, and 2) If you go back into the warm, still take the tape in the cold and the battery out, You then wrap tape, Battery and in zip-lock bags and go after it indoors. The things you pack then only after 60 - 90 minutes again. Other forms in moisture condensation inside the electronic damage may result. An SD card unterliegr this way, the same rules.
If you replace the battery, then wear it while you're in the cold, s.Körper. Because if they are cold, they lose a large part of their capacity.
I know these things to follow is annoying, I just go. But if you have enough spending money for something, yes it is now synonymous ne work reliably. The Manufacturer give way, as the lowest temperature at 0 degrees, but I was synonymous with high degrees of negative so far no problem.
Otherwise, the right speakers: The HV30 has a previously undefeated price-/Leistungsverhältnis. Read you a little in the possibilities (eg, here or in hv20.com Forum) and in daylight you will make wonderful pictures! In the hall there will always be a little grieseln, but this is for content-based analysis then yes no preference.
Can you even in youtube.com or vimeo.com and examples under the heading HV30 anschauen.
Liebe Grüße-Til.
Antwort von tillbaer:
The above proposed GS400 would actually Lowlight better, but would only standard resolution in the old 4:3 format. For this and for the age I find it really too expensive.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Or asked differently, come with me to 700, - ¬, for a used unit? But to get a Canon HV30, search engine anwerfen times!
Antwort von Rolf Hankel:
The above proposed GS400 would actually Lowlight better, but would only standard resolution in the old 4:3 format. For this and for the age I find it really too expensive. That's not true with 4:3, the test shows you exactly at times, because they, like GUT only in16: 9 is
Gruss Rolf ...
Antwort von tillbaer:
oh, sorry that I did not. S.Rolf Thanks for the hint. Then it was really interesting for this application!
Greetings - Til.
Antwort von Jan:
The Comparison of HC 51 or 53 with the Canon HV 30 is as light and shadow. The HC 51 "magic" from a normally lit apartment a cellar apartment without light, the HV 30 makes an apartment do not Festsaal at 1 / 50 sec, but you can see the picture without noise orgies, pale colors and dark style.
Here, for example, the video asset test pictures:
VAD HC 51 test pictures VAD HV 30 test pictures The HC 51 is the lowest initial stop, HV 30 best Camera to 1000 ¬, for some users even up to 3000 ¬. I wish Sony Not bad talk, the competitor synonymous HC 9 is quite good, only HC 51 is your lowest level and can easily be beaten. Is always a question of the price .....
The GS 400 is expected to be normally not new anymore, as the HV 30 as a high resolution camera is no longer synonymous costs, should they prefer. But anyone can decide for themselves.
VG
Jan
