Frage von Flohri:
Hi folks,
I am s.hin herüberlegen-and ... Sony Vegas or Adobe Premiere Pro 2?
I would like to HDV (HDR FX 1) work.
But it's just comes to acquiring resistance ;-)
Some Vegas is cheaper and does most of the house from HDV.
Premiere Pro, I would have preferred because of compatibility.
Since I have heard, what was needed for HDV editing also a codec of MainConcept.
Is that so?
Perhaps one of you has the problem been synonymous rolled mal ;-)
I am very happy for answers
Antwort von Johnny:2:
Hi Flohri.
So for pure HDV editing APP2 no need for plug-in. It now goes without synonymous. But if you then edit your APP2 Project in After Effects still going, it is stupid. AE can not properly with HDV mpegs - ie long load times, and absolutely not a nice, smooth working. Adobe recommends that this is still the Cineform codec.
Or do you play unkompr. Avi made and then edit in AE - lou just need lots of space.
At least, my experiences.
Antwort von Flohri:
Thanks for your quick response ...
I have with my trial version of Premiere Pro already tried everything.
It is synonymous in there that it should work.
Do I need some special hardware or do I set something wrong?
dear greetings from Flohri
Antwort von Johnny:2:
PremierePro1 or 2?
As far as I know you must use 1.5 for Pro1 and the Cineform codec. Premiere Pro2 has then been native HDV editing.
Hardware: what have you been? Need even nen bissl what powerful.
Antwort von Flohri:
Premiere 2
I just go over Firewire inside ... normally.
Do I need to buy in there perhaps but what? Something special of Adobe certified?
I want to annoy for God's sake, do not.
Only the trial version now runs s.and I must decide.
The odd thing is that, although tested at the premiere of "state" recognizes the camera, thus "showing online," even in the capture window says "Capture Device Offline" ... funny
Thanks for your help
Antwort von Jörg:
Hi,
The trial version does not support HD format.
Gruß Jörg
Antwort von Flohri:
Hi,
The trial version does not support HD format.
Gruß Jörg Ok, is the short and painless ;-)
But is not sure if I'll buy me that supports HDV, and it works that way?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Yes I work with P-Pro 2.0 and HDV, I have no problems.
Antwort von Jörg:
yes, and quite magnificent, is hereby
http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=10184
Antwort von wolfgang:
So alone, the MainConcept plugin costs 400 euros? Opps ...
The decision for or against Vegas, I would myself time to play the free trial of Sony's download site - and order.
http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/download/step2.asp?DID=698
And it has made in the Vegas 7 HDV processing a great leap forward. Because only just appeared, there is currently
s.noch low introductory prices (until end October). Please note this promotion on the links below to Vegas7 Page.
b) However, synonymous few bugs in the program, s.denen Sonynoch works.
More details about Vegas 7 times here, we have taken together:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/tutorials/Vegas7/index.html
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Is this really "format miracle" EDIUS NX with your card is not better than the new Vegas 7 Wolfgang?
Antwort von Jörg:
So alone, the MainConcept plugin costs 400 euros? Opps ... amazing how often do you wonder about the price of plugins for Premiere dissemble ...
Antwort von CorpoRasion:
...
And it has made in the Vegas 7 HDV processing a great leap forward. .. A great leap forward in Comparison to version 6 - that's right. Comparison to PP 2.0 is only a small edge in the preview speed. The latter is true, but only as long as you do not synonymous effects, color correction ... etc., applying ... Then it is with the slight speed advantage over .......
But so what - everyone should form the basis of the trials his own verdict. Personally, I find the upgrade to the 7 Series still disappointing. Besides the improved HDV preview is really nothing particularly erwähnbar .....
Antwort von wolfgang:
So the plugin which alone will cost 400 euros - I had in mind that it is expensive. But so expensive? Why do you think that because I was vorheuchle Jörg - at the price I would rather vorhecheln was ...
;)
The Canopus NX I still can not really judge, dear Bruno. But how are you your Storm? Greeting s.The older generation ...
Otherwise, I think it's always delicious, if need Adobe diehard fans come to believe with such a gentle underhand to. How about for a change with scientific arguments? And then the thread starter but let time decide for themselves what they consider themselves to be more appropriate.
Flohri So, if you have any questions about Vegas, then please just ask.
Antwort von Jörg:
Otherwise, I think it's always delicious, if need Adobe diehard fans come to believe with such a gentle underhand to. How about for a change with scientific arguments? well what do YOU, as many other delicious it is when the hard-boiled Vegasfan Wolfgang said ...... I have nothing against Vegas
because I know as little as you premiere, I've only expressed my opinion to Premiere.
Antwort von wolfgang:
A great leap forward in Comparison to version 6 - that's right. And precisely that is controversial - there are some people saying that Vegas 6 was already so well developed that you have the jump is down too low.
Comparison to PP 2.0 is only a small edge in the preview speed. The latter is true, but only as long as you do not synonymous effects, color correction ... etc., applying ... Then it is with the slight speed advantage over .......
I can not confirm my measurements. Even in today's middle-class PCs, the preview speed well. Of course, if more and more effects of each system to its knees at some point - show me the system where this is not the case.
I just run a HDV editing with mixed material (m2t 50p, m2t through 50i). As a 2-camera editing, where the two video streams going simultaneously. On the video streams are also filter for brightness and color correction to adjust the cameras together. While this is not comfortable - but is on a 3.2 Ghz P4 still doable.
But so what - everyone should form the basis of the trials his own verdict.
That's right - and do just that gibts for free trials.
Personally, I find the upgrade to the 7 Series still disappointing. Besides the improved HDV preview is really nothing particularly erwähnbar ..... There are many detailed improvements in the workflow. There is an automatic scene area in HDV m2t native separation of material - works well with the FX1 is synonymous here if Sonynoch to remedy that. The administration of HDV clips now works perfectly. There is a considerable improvement in HDV preview capabilities. It provides support for XDCAM HD. These are all things that experienced users appreciate the Vegas experience quite a ...
@ Joerg, was synonymous less aimed at you ... But do you find the price for a pure plug-in is not synonymous something violent? Around 400 euros to buy all the other people editing programs. And I still know a little premiere - with the 6.5er version I have good cut and cursing the crashes with the MainConcept DV codec - and then I had decided to halt for better editing programs, then the MSP 6.5.
And APP 1.5er I have just a little angetestet. That's why I'm not here to say a lot especially with Premiere. The others do anyway ...
:)
Antwort von Jörg:
And I still know a little premiere - with the version I have 6.5er good cut and cursing the crashes with the MainConcept DV codec --
so so so yet know Premiere, yes? 6.5 with the main concept DV codec, yes?
Well, for the price: a mach nen Porsche buys, I know that you love that car comparisons, the other goes nen SEAT, and both know why!
So it is probably synonymous with NLEs
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well you are today once again aggressively, Jörg. What do you get excited on this? Just because I say to a plugin that he with 400 euro is expensive for my taste? I think this is ripped off - but that has nothing to do with APP, but rather with what the pricing of Mainconcpet.
So reg dich mal ab.
And the car comparison is only the question of what is now the seat of the Porsche and what is ... Compare the way the car of Wiro come sooner, but I find it really quite nice.
Antwort von Uwe:
Right again merrily here ... :) Regarding HDV editing is currently well still the Cineform plugin AspectHD (PP) or ConnectHD (Vegas), the Nonplus-Ultra. And if I had the choice between MCPro + AspectHD the choice would be clear for CF.
MC's advantage probably lies largely in the "Smart Rendering". That's all but synonymous already. And who works entirely without Farkorrektur etc.? For PP-user still has the advantage that you then can import VOB files. But it's now give as many tools as sand s.mehr. Sorry George, but I have to totally agree with Wolfgang => 400 Euro dollars for this part is too expensive by far. Strangely, they offer the same plug-in for Adobe Premiere Elements for 100, - dollars, or give to a difference?
But faster preview or no => native HDV (Mpeg2)-cut is for me today would be just what a simple, quick cut. When it comes to color correction, keying, Composting ... etc., is I think an intermediate processing for worlds better suited .... as synonymous with a cheap Mjpeg as the Pic 3 or the free-Stillimage Jpeg (QT). And there are probably 2.0 Vegas + APP same speed. But the topic I am not going to warm up again .....
In this sense, remains relaxed people ... :)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Uwe, in principle, you're right, I admit, the intermediate solutions are obviously not the same for high quality output with a significant proportion of compositing bad. Even though the average native is within certain limits - but we had dealt with almost everything in epic length ...
:)
Personally, I think the Cineform synonymous for expensive products - no preference, whether for Vegas or Premiere. Ok, the capturing really do it well, they now even support DVC PRO HD (which is the theme with the FX1 starters but need not), and they do the "on the fly conversion to Intermediate never received the Catpuren. But really cheap are not exactly synonymous.
The current Cineform plugins are the way to Vegas 7a Time with even difficult to Vegas 7a shows itself with the last Cineform codec playback characteristics as a bad HDV2 virgin material. Apparently, since the coordination between Sonyand Cineform does not really work, you can read in U.S. forums of David Newman - CTO Cineform - that this move will now take place only. That also applies to the Cineform version that comes with Vegas 7, as synonymous for the version of the purchase plug-ins. Also a point that will soon be resolved.
Antwort von Wiro:
Hello,
a little mustard, I must still add the synonymous (but nothing) to do with car comparisons.
Was today at Photokina in Cologne.
Well, a lot of my time I spent s.Adobe booth - demonstrating fourth hall with a huge program of information. Could one short workshop experience with Adobe Production Studio. It is a show where absolute connoisseur swirling with Premiere, AE, Audition and HP. HDV editing? But of course, and how!
A good hour I have spent s.Avid then stand. Media Composer and HDV. Befriend me so that I can jump synonymous - if I do not have Adobe would be users.
Canopus and Grass Valley (Edius) I would have gladly considered synonymous - but which I have not even found. Are probably absent. Also in the list of exhibitors, they are not included. Pity really - would have the Edius NX HDV happy again seen in action.
Yes, and then Sony. A Riiiiesen stand. HDV, AVCHD, and everything possible, but no Vegas. On the "software corner" None knew what it. At present there was, however, notebooks Photoshop Elements to see, and the visitors were told how they retouched so that the images with the Sony cams are made. "Smile" - click - print "stood (?). Somehow I must have had as tomatoes on my eyes ;-))
Otherwise: lots and lots of photo editing software - synonymous of manufacturers whose names I never heard of. And somehow they all seem to want to make Photoshop competition. But the true man of grapes to remain hanging on Adobe's imaging booth. Then all hell broke loose - and pretty girls were to be seen, of course, synonymous, as models ;-)))
Anyone who is currently in doubt as to whether Adobe should or Vegas who actually visit the photokina. And spend time one hours s.Adobe stand and watch. I am almost sure that it doubts were quickly dispelled.
But my personal opinion.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Schnittlauch:
This "garage companies" are probably the rents for the stand no longer able to pay.
Antwort von wolfgang:
.... showing fourth hall with a huge program of information. ...
Anyone who is currently in doubt as to whether Adobe should or Vegas who actually visit the photokina. And spend time one hours s.Adobe stand and watch. I am almost sure that it doubts were quickly dispelled. Since when has the size of a booth says, smart girls (cool forgive me), or the readiness of a company's management, money for a trade show spend anything at all about the product quality?
If this were so, then you'd have to go to the IBC 2006 At the beginning of September, which appeals more the broadcast and professional camp. There was, moreover, presented Vegas 7 and introduced, because the product with XDCAM HD support in this area also now appeals.
So I would really advise our Flohri time to play with the trial versions of themselves - and see time, as he is concerned with the candidate of his choice personally. The choice of an NLE is synonymous something personal, synonymous depends on the desired workflow depends on the desired cutting off of philosophy (which varies from Adobe and is Sonyeben). So even playing with the tools and gather their own impressions. It can take you anyway None your decision - so you only need to be happy with the editing program.
And of this I would rauspicken me stop the (few) factual arguments. Girls and exhibition stands, I would not want to count.
Antwort von Jörg:
Now I am of course totally no preference whether plugin Wolfgang and Uwe and the rest of the world, the MC is too expensive, I only
mentioned habs!
I think it's so good with the scientific arguments Wolfgang, with AP 6.5 and the main concept DV codec and so ....
Otherwise, Wiro's right, of course, who is traveling with the Adobe products have very rarely such a pinched, "but as synonymous gibts ja noch ..." profiling problem.
Antwort von Wiro:
Hello,
noch'n word about the beautiful girls at Adobe (and synonymous s.anderen stands - of course, synonymous with Sony):
They're obviously there to distract the visitors and hold them to ask awkward questions. For example, why in the Production Workshop sometimes a feature just not as wanted as intended. The presenter's comment: "Believe me, usually it works..."
The same way, I have experienced synonymous s.Avid stand. Comment: "I think I have to reboot once..."
So isses halt.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Gasthritis:
Can you some of you again?
http://forum.slashcam.de/premiere-65-vs-pro-vt39132.html?highlight=mainconcept
Here it is claimed the mainconzept as dvcodec was not yet in the 6.5
installed. Who was it right?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Jörg what you think I take AP 6.5 and the MainConcept codec before? I had installed APP 1.5 is synonymous with me - and I deleted it again for various reasons. Is this for you last time okay? You are catered to that I say publicly, I use AP just not? Thank you.
Here was asked:
I am s.hin herüberlegen-and ... Sony Vegas or Adobe Premiere Pro 2?
I would like to HDV (HDR FX 1) work.
But it's just comes to acquiring resistance ;-)
Some Vegas is cheaper and does most of the house from HDV.
And no one is here on this part of the question received only synonymous in some manner to the desired Comparison. Not one here has said the issue of Flohri for the price. And then there's an extra plug-ins above, in addition to the more expensive solution would still need 2.0 APP - where there's an extra Flohri says he is looking for "cheap" solutions?
And if you go that is received by one dares to say what the previously untreated part of the question - to Vegas - that will be then here niedergepflaumt yet? Or if one refers to the desire of reckless Flohri that it does not halt plans to spend soo much money as other users? May be good that you are 400 euro no preference, Jörg - for me is much more money, and sees the Flohri probably be similar.
I tell, therefore, quite frankly is a fact that you can cut HDV with both APP 2 as synonymous with Vegas 7th And indeed with the two solutions become quite good. Vorrausgesetzt, you have the correct hardware (especially for APP2 about the graphics area), and apparently insane price APP 2 still has additional tools - the one for Vegas or not at all need only be an addition.
It would be important therefore probably been here, to tell me, where the limitations are, if you only have APP 2 - love Adobe user. That would have helped Flohri.
I say kanns for Vegas: Vegas to get away with much cheaper, in sum, does have a reasonable solution. It is possible with Vegas 7 is now entirely cut certain things native to the Cineform codec is but nasty things about compositing) With Vegas (supplied. Means that it is a feasible way of working, where they render to Cineform Intermediate individual files, and then about the next process. And the remainder in native m2t little material makes. In the meantime is being supported by an automatic scene separation - that works well already, but where even marginal problems are eliminated. Free, and likely available in a few weeks. And is supported by the excellent preview capabilities, synonymous of native m2t files on the FX1 today's middle class computers (about 3 Ghz P4).
If you want more - on the fly catpuring scene with the Intermediate division - then stop coming to the Cineform product. One has to settle but not necessarily, one has alone synonymous with Vegas 7 a working solution.
I hope that this information will help me, Flohri. They are factual arguments hold times - and no-girl stories.
And yet to respond to what Bruno has thrown in: there is always clear even better solutions. With the Canopus NX HDV with Edius 4 Kit is a great thing, but I would someone to look at the costs, in suggesting a list price of just under 2000 euros halt not perhaps - plus computer costs, plus HD monitor , ie an editing suite of loosely 6,000 euros upwards in the savings option.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Can you some of you again?
http://forum.slashcam.de/premiere-65-vs-pro-vt39132.html?highlight=mainconcept
Here it is claimed the mainconzept as dvcodec was not yet in the 6.5
installed. Who was it right? That's true synonymous. AP6.5 was the first version of Adobe Premiere, where the MainConcept mepg-2 encoder has been installed - in a very lousy quality SVCDs were then at a tolerable quality of WP 6.5 is not out yet feasible.
Of the thee main MainConcept DV codec - then still part of WP 6.5 but only as an additional DV codec Kaufbar - has led to considerable Instabiliät AP 6.5, AP 6.5 and was only with special tricks unterjubelbar (da gabs and DV Switcher louder as nonsense).
Only in the APP 1.5 of MainConcept DV codec was integrated internal, and only s.damals the brightness range of DV-avi is full of get 0 .. 255th But not for output to mpeg2, then in APP has the perverse of 1.5 MainConcept mpeg encoder of the brightness range again until circumcised on 16. .235. Whether in APP 2 is different - I have not tested because I was too little interested.
The things with the uncontrolled restriction in brightness range, we had to drop everything to investigate, see for example here:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=644&boardid=24&styleid=6
And now synonymous gibts still problems with the output of HDV material to SD from APP out - but with the image quality. This has been discussed here in slashcam, time not so long ago. Whether this is now resolved, I do not know.
They are indeed other issues, but you had asked, Gasthritis. A little I know myself so well with the Adobe products from ...
:)
Antwort von Schnittlauch:
Vegas 7 is available for German literature?
Is there a German-speaking Vegas 7 trial, you can call a customer support German in Germany.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Yes, will be released shortly a German version of the software, along with German documentation. Both for the DVDA4 as synonymous for Vegas 7th
Whether now a German Support Hotline is in place, I do not even know. This part should synonymous only come running at the time still in English. But then there are the free Vegas Forum, which indeed has been synonymous for some years a little support.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention: is synonymous with Vegas 7 is now a high-authoring tool useful - the 4th DVDA Which has now developed such as the Power Tools of Ulead - 16:9 as there is no issue. What the present is not yet, is Blu-ray and HD-DVD support - which is probably yet to come, until we really have burners, players and discs in sufficient quantities.
The still, as an additional asset for the price-conscious buyers.
Antwort von Jörg:
[quote = "Jörg"]
And I still know a little premiere - with the version I have 6.5er good cut and cursing the crashes with the MainConcept DV codec --
You ask why I insist rumreite? OK, I'll explain it for you, others have noticed it long ago anyway.
So you swear on falls of AP6.5, which come about solely because you have a newly introduced another codec, which probably does not fit. Oh man
You actually read your contributions and those of other times through? Mach's views, the questioner said ;-) acquisition of resistance, he had this financial hurdle that you attribute to him constantly, I'm sure he would have asked for the element.
Now it is synonymous again reached the point of a contribution s.dem You
get out are involved.
Antwort von Schnittlauch:
The still, as an additional asset for the price-conscious buyers. DVD authoring is also available with P-Pro 2.0!
Antwort von wolfgang:
Dear friend, I expect of an editing program that
s.with codecs that are installed correctly in the system, sometimes kindly unhesitatingly working together. That was with me at the MainConcept DV codec and AP 6.5 was not exactly the case.
b) if s.nicht is the case, making the Manufacturer of Codec / editing program to your attention.
) But b should not even enter. If the former AP 6.5 could not, what should I do? And then I was not really alone. Trying times, the search for the video friends, exactly this point has cost at that time already Ecki (s) in the video friends hair.
See Findings of times Ecki here:
http://www.videofreunde.de/thread.php?postid=28503
And no, I swear today is no longer crashes on an age-old product - it's just me, no preference, I am personally hold switch to better products conform to my wishes.
And for the money - and if someone writes:
Some Vegas is cheaper and does most of the house from HDV.
There will be people who need to pay attention to what they spend so s.Money. Whether Flohri one of them, I do not know is his business, is not s.mir or to judge you so. But if someone sowas eh says that he will take heed most money - no preference then why always synonymous - then rather Jörg is taken into account. Because it's his money, and not yours or mine.
And then you have neither a proposal from Höfflichkeit NX, another plugin from around 400 euros. Ok, let's leave that, you're just in this respect may simply insensitive ...
And now let me alone time with your whining - or even tell me what to Sachliches Fragestelllung Flohri of what helps the next.
Antwort von wolfgang:
[quote = "chives"]
DVD authoring is also available with P-Pro 2.0! Ok - great, but with what features? Do you have times when a link?
Among the new features of DVDAs gibts here is an overview:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/tutorials/Vegas7/html/dvda-4.html
Antwort von ich kann das aas _______:
joerg respectable that you only here SORT_NA, this blatant schaudochmalrein
besserwisser wolfgang but goes all the nerves that never solutions, the only accosted
Antwort von Schnittlauch:
Maybe that has more features in Vegas 7 as DVD authoring to offer, but why do you do as if there in P-Pro 2.0 at all would be no DVD authoring with your remark about the advantage for Vegas 7th You use your little knowledge about other products here to make worm ...
Well, I'm doggedly to the discussion here ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
It's simple - because I do not know. I do not know what APP provides authoring capabilities. Therefore, yes, the question s.dich, which may include elements.
And I have not done as APP worm - I put dar. only one aspect of Vegas, where I said that APP can be no authoring - if I do not know?
Solutions, rather, "I can ass"? I have listed here too well. Where are your solutions?
:)
Another example of solutions: Vegas 7 and DVDA 4 dominate synonymous of scripting languages. To ensure the full programming is possible, similar, as in Microsoft products like Excel, Visual Basic. And there are countless free scripts, with which you can do all sorts of things. Specifically, the HDV editing are even specialized scripts that support the HDV editing massive.
Antwort von Schnittlauch:
For HDV Vidoeschnitt you need in P-Pro 2.0 does not support script, everything is so synonymous and without Picture / Tonversatz.
Servus!
Antwort von wolfgang:
I do not synonymous said. I do not synonymous say that you need in Vegas the script support for HDV editing. They are hold additional features that can use it or just not using. They are included in the product easy to stop with.
Antwort von Flohri:
Dear People,
thank you (synonymous for the girls ;-) s.Adobe stand for your answers.
Especially s.Wolfgang.
Madness!
I won so I can start something.
(You are not random, the Wolfgang, who has the Comparison of 3 Sony HDV cams made in a video journal? And of www.fxsupport.de?)
It salutes the Flohri
Antwort von Adobeverweigerer:
The Hr. Schmidt is absolutely right when I'm not synonymous Vegasianer and I'm glad FCPro no longer bound by s.PremPro be, since the performance advantage of FCPro against Prem. Adobe has removed the sails.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Nice if things were helpful to you, Flohri - some people here have not particularly liked it so ... but that's their problem.
And now have fun with your decision for further questions about Vegas, I am glad you are available. Here, in the video meeting or synonymous in the Vegas forum, in which you are happy to be invited.
And no, I'm not Wolfgang Winnie, you mean. I've created a video venue, which has included massive as the first German-language forum at HDV, Wolfgang wrote on his blog early test reports HDV HDV camcorder, and now writes for several magazines. You'll find it under way, "russell" here as synonymous in the video meeting.
Antwort von Jesus:
Madness! Funny basis on which people sometimes opt for a video editing program ...
Antwort von Mangoenntsichsonstnichts:
Now it is synonymous again reached the point of a contribution s.dem You
get out are involved. Jorg,
If you think the snoopers in this forum who think as you, then you're on the wrong boat. It is ALL here on you are always the first to the dispute with Wolfgang was looking for. Wolfgang is in discussions with you is often the quiet point. Sure, it comes the time when He then burst the collar. Frankly, this point would occur sooner for me.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ Flohri,
Perhaps you helping me with my experience
Antwort von Unterschreib:
Jorg,
If you think the snoopers in this forum who think as you, then you're on the wrong boat. It is ALL here on you are always the first to the dispute with Wolfgang was looking for. Wolfgang is in discussions with you is often the quiet point. Sure, it comes the time when He then burst the collar. Frankly, this point would occur sooner for me. I can sign sowas of!
Unterschreib
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Siehste @ Sign, the Jörg here and is subordinated to me sometimes, I would always argue with Wolfgang. This is true not at, you know, Wolfgang, my own haven is much much quieter ...
The Jorg and Wiro but I greatly respect as excelente professionals whom I can not fool with my little knowledge nothing. I learned a lot of both, actually only two of these, which Adobe Programs regard.
The so dahingeworfener polemic against Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0, I can not do anything because the allegations are usually only half-truths.
I worked myself after a few obstacles and digressions on the "picture miracles" EDIUS meantime good autodidact in Premiere Pro 2.0 and now come prima cope with it, synonymous in the case of HDV DV editing which I only just now doing with Premiere Pro 2.0.
Bear with you guys again!
Antwort von wolfgang:
The so dahingeworfener polemic against Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0, I can not do anything because the allegations are usually only half-truths.
What exactly was the here a half-truth, Bruno?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Well times even read through the articles in peace, had no desire to list here ..., experience cost me time ...
Just bear with you once!
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well now you're just doing it to you but ... at least I'm the only one who supports his statements at least partially, with tests, examinations or Findings of other people. Well I will be quite synonymous.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Wolfgang Man I will not be so clear ...
Tell me what you like about Vegas 7, you were a beta tester and have it get for free synonymous with law. Synonymous tell people what is not ok in Vegas 7th ..
But pressures to people not Vegas 7 with purely Negativargumenten with Premiere Pro 2. These arguments are partly wrong, or just half-truths in this thread. Just leave your reporting on Premiere Pro 2.0 is, is not your workhorse.
A fine good evening!
Antwort von PowerMac:
You all are wrong. Final Cut is much better.
Antwort von universl:
Since 720p50 the final cut hvx200 can I vote you unreservedly powermac. with Edius broadcast faster. much faster. but not nearly as extensive and equipped with features such as final cut.
So, if windows, then Edius 4 or broadcast (on a core 2 duo with 2 Gb ram and E6600). NIE as jerky. But since you're from without compositing program does not synonymous.
otherwise final cut.
Antwort von starbuck:
Vegas 7 is of Technology and Performance PP2 equal, but much easier to use IMO and supple too. It can work perfectly for 5 minutes with it.
Native HDV editing is now working very well, extremely high stability.
I have the day, a relatively complex compositing made with V7 (layers, masks, effects) - for 80% of the tasks is an external compositing program a la AFX simply unnecessary.
HDV capture should be done with external tool s.besten the free HDVsplit.
In any case, the program has collected a lot more to me than the IMO Symphatiepunkte fiddly PP2. But this is a matter of taste, I would not necessarily call myself synonymous friendly than Adobe - I do not like the sometimes very complicated handling of the Adobe Programs. Each must find out yourself, but there is the Trials.
Tip: at B & H in Vegas 6 Amiland buy for about $ 140 including delivery and then a doctorate - Link for $ 130 to upgrade to Vegas 7 + DVD Architect. Hammer price and the DVD program is also great.
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Antwort von prem:
You all are wrong. Final Cut is much better. why?
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Antwort von Flohri:
Madness!
I am really surprised what you can get with such a simple question into the roles ;-)
I now work has now been 13 years in the audio field and thought,
the childish debates, "who has the thickest eggs", ie, (They whisper) "mine is better than yours" there would only be there ...
But why should this be so ;-)
Since it's just the religious war between Pro Tools, Logic and Cubase.
I have gotten the time, because I have gained all 3.
Now I am older and a bissl would do no more, so this "simple" post.
But I've noticed, there are some people who take the request seriously and kindly give suitable answers.
Thanks again s.Euch.
Final analysis, it is on video as well as audio on who does not sit behind it and out "who has the thickest balls.
A nice weekend to wish the Flohri
Antwort von wolfgang:
But pressures to people not Vegas 7 with purely Negativargumenten with Premiere Pro 2. These arguments are partly wrong, or just half-truths in this thread. Just leave your reporting on Premiere Pro 2.0 is, is not your workhorse.
Bruno, I have about Premiere Pro
2 here said, practically nothing! Again, the call to tell me what you exactly mean. My statements related to either synonymous with the old WP 6.5 - because a user had asked for it - and even up to AP 1.5 - which I getest in the described aspects. And I have always said this s.diesen bodies synonymous.
Or are you here so unpräzisse like chives, which simply says that I would deny authoring skills APP2, just because I mention the DVDA 4? Without that I would have the capability of authoring APP2 irgenwas said, because I just do not do not know (would know)?
Current problems with Vegas 7 were mentioned to me entirely of synonymous s.dieser body, which can be read here synonymous. And just as well s.anderen bodies. Synonymous, but I can say from first hand that those problems are in progress.
@ Flohri here gehts so not even a religious war. Here is about the inability to factually discuss views on features of a product - by the listing and is sober.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Oh yes, one more thing:
Tell me what you like about Vegas 7, you were a beta tester and have it get for free synonymous with law. Whether Sonywie most NLE vendors then SNs for the beta test are available, is another matter. I have purchased the software the way, also synonymous regular, because I leave because grundsätzich pay nothing.
Incidentally, I'm synonymous beta testing for two other well-known nonlinear editing manufacturer. But this is probably even more my own private beer.
