Infoseite // Who has a SonyPMW EX 3??

Frage von Hansa:

Hello,

I have long before a SonyPMW EX3 to buy. But because of the very different evaluations, I am still in doubt.
Many of the Camera is highly praised, but if you go into detail come arge doubts.

In my case, is a key point: how do the pictures when the camera is moving fast (fast Horizontal Auto-Swing's Fahraufnahmen) Since the camera after the Long GOP method works
(one mother and 11 children's picture images) is well known that dropouts, artifacts, etc. (as opposed to IR, where only a complete picture "exposed" and will not pass such dropouts) are inevitable.

I already have material PMW EX1 seen, which has the same "innards" as the 3rd EX This has me absolutely not convinced. There was already in the normal swing speed of the above errors can be seen.

Therefore I ask here who has such a Camera (PMW EX 3)
and can report from practice. The practice is always about the theory.

I like to practice reports.

I must still say that I absolute quality image technischerseits expect. Not the high resolution power of a good picture when the picture cold, videomäßig and not saying is, I need not.

MfG Sukilin

MfG Sukilin

Antwort von domain:

"Hansa" wrote:
I already have material PMW EX1 seen, which has the same "innards" as the 3rd EX This has me absolutely not convinced ....
Then you, but other pictures from other cameras synonymous not much more convincing.
So by the way, you can be synonymous with a stinknormalen SD-camera images to create that one of the mouth would remain open .......

Antwort von Jogi:

I work with an EX1 and I can say this is the best cam I have ever had. Of course, pictures in the factory setting is not always the desired result. Those who work with the EX1 will be before s.sie work, ie create the preset's for different shooting conditions. There is nothing which is not s.der EX1 is to adjust.
Each camera in the Mpeg2-LongGOP records produced at fast motion blur. On the other hand, with higher against Shutterzeiten controlled. normal pans are blurred and LongGOP typically no more than other cams with the same record format's.

Citation-Hans / I must still say that I absolute quality image technischerseits expect. Not the high resolution power of a good picture when the picture cold, videomäßig and not saying is, I need not.

There you are with the EX1 / 3 on the right track.

Antwort von Hansa:

Hi Join,

............... but - correct (chemical film) - saying: "Totgesgte live longer.
MfG Sukilin.

Antwort von Hansa:

"domain" wrote: "Hansa" wrote:
I already have material PMW EX1 seen, which has the same "innards" as the 3rd EX This has me absolutely not convinced ....
Then you, but other pictures from other cameras synonymous not much more convincing.
So by the way, you can be synonymous with a stinknormalen SD-camera images to create that one of the mouth would remain open .......

Hello domain

............... but - correct (chemical film) - saying: "Totgesgte live longer.
MfG Sukilin.

Antwort von Hansa:

"Jogi" wrote: I work with an EX1 and I can say this is the best cam I have ever had. Of course, pictures in the factory setting is not always the desired result. Those who work with the EX1 will be before s.sie work, ie create the preset's for different shooting conditions. There is nothing which is not s.der EX1 is to adjust.
Each camera in the Mpeg2-LongGOP records produced at fast motion blur. On the other hand, with higher against Shutterzeiten controlled. normal pans are blurred and LongGOP typically no more than other cams with the same record format's.

Citation-Hans / I must still say that I absolute quality image technischerseits expect. Not the high resolution power of a good picture when the picture cold, videomäßig and not saying is, I need not.

There you are with the EX1 / 3 on the right track.

Hi Jogi,
thank you for your remarks. I do not like the blurred Bewegungsunschärfen as synonymous with real film occur (at 24 or 25B / S). But regular dropouts and especially these artifacts s.senkrechten lines (zBBäume in the woods or light poles), then jerkily through the Picture lollop if such car trips or quick horizontal pans are made.

Can I also say something? Where can I see the material?

Mainly, I work only on film (16/35mm). But for certain, and very simple things where you "run" must be, is a
Video advantageous. That is why I want a small (not a big suitcase) Camera to buy.

I ask for further instructions.
MfG Sukilin

Antwort von wontuwontu:

First one anticipated. If, then Buying a Ex3. The benefits to supplement the Ex1 are worth. The Exchangable optics, TC / Genlock and excellent viewfinders make a huge difference.

A big problem with both cameras is the rolling shutter (rolling shutter), in contrast to global shutter (global shutter), the Picture of the top down and exposed all at once. When panning "bent" vertical lines that formally. This makes the camera useless for things like 3D tracking.

The strong compression effect, I receive by getting the signal via SDI 10bit than 422 record. And there may be a EX1 zb at Keyen loose with three or four times as expensive to keep cameras (Red).

Interesting option with the Ex3: Pro35 of P + S and a handful of optics geiler ...

To your concerns: with any compromise, you will have to live. And since the Ex3 offers for the price simply the best performance at the moment.

Antwort von Hansa:

"wontuwontu" wrote: First one anticipated. If, then Buying a Ex3. The benefits to supplement the Ex1 are worth. The Exchangable optics, TC / Genlock and excellent viewfinders make a huge difference.

A big problem with both cameras is the rolling shutter (rolling shutter), in contrast to global shutter (global shutter), the Picture of the top down and exposed all at once. When panning "bent" vertical lines that formally. This makes the camera useless for things like 3D tracking.

The strong compression effect, I receive by getting the signal via SDI 10bit than 422 record. And there may be a EX1 zb at Keyen loose with three or four times as expensive to keep cameras (Red).

Interesting option with the Ex3: Pro35 of P + S and a handful of optics geiler ...

To your concerns: with any compromise, you will have to live. And since the Ex3 offers for the price simply the best performance at the moment.

If, then I would only synonymous to buy Ex3. But since you just confirm my fears (of bending lines, etc.), is "the rabbit in the pepper." It remains for me nothing other than a next EX 3 times to borrow in order to see whether the result is usable or not.
As far as I am just very surprised if this problem occurs so strong, that nobody sees or is not interested? If such images of clients decreased? Such products can be but no one offered. If I use the camera only to still images can be used, then a camera would be better. Just because the camera is extremely slow movements reasonable --- if synonymous in very high resolution, --- maps, can not but the story content to set up and only in super slow swing speed or car rides make surreptitious.

As I commend my Canon XL-1, has no HD-resolution images, but what I have been doing so 10 years (it remains at close range and avoids shots because of the DV resolution) are qualitatively - according to video - good.

Perhaps logs yet another practice report.

MfG Sukilin

Antwort von Jogi:

Antwort von wontuwontu:

Voice speaker as fully and completely to. The Ex1 / 3 is an amazing camera, with many opportunities that would otherwise only five cameras in the area can be found.

The problem with the rolling shutter is in fact false as many of counterpoint argument used. As I have already mentioned above, brings the vertical lines bend only in stories such as 3D tracking and extreme flash thunderstorm really problems with it. Otherwise, people will notice it does not.

Previously borrow as never hurts. Where thou comest forth, perhaps because I can help out;)

Antwort von Hansa:

Antwort von Hansa:

"wontuwontu" wrote: Voice speaker as fully and completely to. The Ex1 / 3 is an amazing camera, with many opportunities that would otherwise only five cameras in the area can be found.

The problem with the rolling shutter is in fact false as many of counterpoint argument used. As I have already mentioned above, brings the vertical lines bend only in stories such as 3D tracking and extreme flash thunderstorm really problems with it. Otherwise, people will notice it does not.

Previously borrow as never hurts. Where thou comest forth, perhaps because I can help out;)

Hello wontuwontu,

I live in a circle Ostprignitz-Ruppin/Brandenburg. Perhaps you live nearby and a meeting would be possible.

MfG Sukilin

Antwort von ruessel:

Quote:
Among the other links is to say that the trunk earlier this kindly on DVD s.mich sent. My previously mentioned findings (jagged lines, contours person being reunited when people move) refer to this material.

Then you should write here but synonymous, that you are unable're native HD material to sift properly. The whole HD stuff and convert to old SD monitors can look at actually not a good benchmark.

Antwort von Hansa:

"trunk" wrote: Quote:
Among the other links is to say that the trunk earlier this kindly on DVD s.mich sent. My previously mentioned findings (jagged lines, contours person being reunited when people move) refer to this material.

Then you should write here but synonymous, that you are unable're native HD material to sift properly. The whole HD stuff and convert to old SD monitors can look at actually not a good benchmark.

Hello,
how do you know that I am now-synonymous-the material on
"old SD monitors" anschauen. Meanwhile, I have the synonymous viewed on monitors and corresponding s.den criticisms, except the addition of questionable camera work (without Tripod Studio = Wackelei), nothing has changed.

Yet again thank you for sending the material's, but your reaction to this response is very important

MfG Sukilin

Antwort von ruessel:

Oje, then remains for you only the RED left ;-)

Antwort von Jogi:

"Hansa" wrote:
Hi Jogi,
Your post has me again.

For the first link is to say that I have partially viewed.
That reminds me the completely wrong colors on. That is not a realistic picture from. Apparently, however s.Kameramann more than s.der camera, because you said yes, that there are many possibilities of default (correct white balance, etc.) exists.

Among the other links is to say that the trunk earlier this kindly on DVD s.mich sent. My previously mentioned findings (jagged lines, contours person being reunited when people move) refer to this material.

MfG Sukilin

Hansa Hello,
With the first link do you secure the of Philip Bloom. I like this very well. The color is very warm and vote brings a good mood and is certainly being stillistisch wanted. It also beweisst again the great extent of creative EX1.

The images of the trunk are exellent. If you are on your screen's different experience you ever have to upgrade your equipment.
If you like the material does not meet quality, then I do not know what CAM in this price range makes it better!

Antwort von Hansa:

"Jogi" wrote: "Hansa" wrote:
Hi Jogi,
Your post has me again.

For the first link is to say that I have partially viewed.
That reminds me the completely wrong colors on. That is not a realistic picture from. Apparently, however s.Kameramann more than s.der camera, because you said yes, that there are many possibilities of default (correct white balance, etc.) exists.

Among the other links is to say that the trunk earlier this kindly on DVD s.mich sent. My previously mentioned findings (jagged lines, contours person being reunited when people move) refer to this material.

MfG Sukilin

Hansa Hello,
With the first link do you secure the of Philip Bloom. I like this very well. The color is very warm and vote brings a good mood and is certainly being stillistisch wanted. It also beweisst again the great extent of creative EX1.

The images of the trunk are exellent. If you are on your screen's different experience you ever have to upgrade your equipment.
If you like the material does not meet quality, then I do not know what CAM in this price range makes it better!

Hi Jogi,
as shown again how different the opinions on film content and images can be. What one likes, is the other miserable. Therefore, there is synonymous throughout the world of a film no one can do what all the viewers like it. But the minimum technical requirements should already exist (eg, image steadiness rather than Wackelei).

Antwort von wontuwontu:

"Hansa" wrote: "wontuwontu" wrote: Voice speaker as fully and completely to. The Ex1 / 3 is an amazing camera, with many opportunities that would otherwise only five cameras in the area can be found.

The problem with the rolling shutter is in fact false as many of counterpoint argument used. As I have already mentioned above, brings the vertical lines bend only in stories such as 3D tracking and extreme flash thunderstorm really problems with it. Otherwise, people will notice it does not.

Previously borrow as never hurts. Where thou comest forth, perhaps because I can help out;)

Hello wontuwontu,

I live in a circle Ostprignitz-Ruppin/Brandenburg. Perhaps you live nearby and a meeting would be possible.

MfG Sukilin

I come from Freiburg, deep in the deep south;)

Antwort von Hansa:

"wontuwontu" wrote: "Hansa" wrote: "wontuwontu" wrote: Voice speaker as fully and completely to. The Ex1 / 3 is an amazing camera, with many opportunities that would otherwise only five cameras in the area can be found.

The problem with the rolling shutter is in fact false as many of counterpoint argument used. As I have already mentioned above, brings the vertical lines bend only in stories such as 3D tracking and extreme flash thunderstorm really problems with it. Otherwise, people will notice it does not.

Previously borrow as never hurts. Where thou comest forth, perhaps because I can help out;)

Hello wontuwontu,

I live in a circle Ostprignitz-Ruppin/Brandenburg. Perhaps you live nearby and a meeting would be possible.

MfG Sukilin

I come from Freiburg, deep in the deep south;)

Previously, I have lived in Mainz, but now it is a bit far to the Freiburg, thanks nonetheless.

MfG Sukilin

Antwort von Jogi:

"Hansa" wrote:
Hi Jogi,
as shown again how different the opinions on film content and images can be. What one likes, is the other miserable. Therefore, there is synonymous throughout the world of a film no one can do what all the viewers like it. But the minimum technical requirements should already exist (eg, image steadiness rather than Wackelei).

@ Hansa,
Of course, the different tastes and "all done right is an art which no one can" Well I do not know exactly what you mean with the Wackelei. For the rest of the pictures a EX1 is also a virtue of this Cam. I mean you think there s.die camera work!

Antwort von Hansa:

"Jogi" wrote: "Hansa" wrote:
Hi Jogi,
as shown again how different the opinions on film content and images can be. What one likes, is the other miserable. Therefore, there is synonymous throughout the world of a film no one can do what all the viewers like it. But the minimum technical requirements should already exist (eg, image steadiness rather than Wackelei).

@ Hansa,
Of course, the different tastes and "all done right is an art which no one can" Well I do not know exactly what you mean with the Wackelei. For the rest of the pictures a EX1 is also a virtue of this Cam. I mean you think there s.die camera work!

Hi Jogi,
Du hast's recorded-this adage true. I mean of course the camera work.

After 34-years of employment in a broadcaster ARD (Cinematographer: Film, Studio, News) I was in the last 15 years, synonymous in the current Division. Because of the constant requirement of the "green beaks Jung Reporter:" ... schnell.schnell, take the camera on the shoulder ....." There was constant noise at Rotate. Synonymous, since I've worked on 35mm, is for me a long time fixed for good, clean images
includes a fixed camera on tripod. On the subject of Tripod is still to say that the easy stuff with the spider's legs are all highly garbage 3. The quake even if you only touch the lever.

You'll laugh, but my Tripods have wooden legs. A heavy head with a simple friction on stable wooden legs (ARRI or healer), that is not heavier than the carbon fiber stuff, but stands as a - 1 - and verwindet not. Obviously you can swing.

It should probably be clear that it is not the camera, not the tripod makes the pictures, but the man / woman behind the camera. This is a long learning process required. It is just not enough sunglasses up, the screen cap to the rear to rotate and a major mine up, the camera on the shoulder and take on a "hunter and collector" to shoot everything that moves and what these cruel shaky images to produce , where every two spectators "seasick" is.

When shooting on film, it is more possible in an emergency or if it is conditionally dramaturgically Camera (Camera moving intentionally) on the shoulder to take because the film-screen state-related, compared to the static video image, small disturbances in the camera work (each Cameraman synonymous times must breathe, causing them troubles arise) be accepted. But on video, especially in HD is a solid tripod was an absolute prerequisite for acceptable images. Alternatively, you are floating systems (Steadycam). I disagree but I think it s.weil-occupationally exposed - already in the crossfire and had all of these operators will eventually come out as synonymous.

Alternatively, I have pictures with animals, especially dogs, a special Gimbals built. This swing is very good recordings from the dogs perspective possible. Since nothing wobbles. This suspension is for the ARRI St 16 or the Canon XL-1st

Perhaps you are interested synonymous AttigCam. The system allows you to my Page www. attigfilm.de see (film technology special) Here you see the Citroen CX in the current view. Meanwhile, the newly painted and the camera mount (again Gimbals) comes back there where actually the rear bench seat is from the roof gefahren.Es are 4 camera positions. The entire control is via a panel of the driver's seat out.

The whole system generates a unique auto-Fahraufnahmen with film or video. As is now really the EX 3 drauf. Hence my insistent questions about possible Bildaussetzern camera or other errors in the rides, so where the image content (GOP) is changing very quickly.

So, after this brief glimpse, you can perhaps understand that I am not satisfied with superficialities. My motto is: "if I have good pictures through the dirt crawl and running costs, you must agree with the quality synonymous, ie

Antwort von Jogi:

@ Hansa,
I understand your concern, in the best possible quality to rotate. Also I try my pictures in best possible quality at the chip to bring. Therefore I bought synonymous an EX1. Only time I often synonymous freehand shots, because a tripod is not always has to be built quickly. When I have time then I work synonymous with a tripod, very clear!
As next above posted, I am with the picture of my EX 1 always very enthusiastic. You might want to have an ex .. Borrow times and sample shots. Just a Sony dealer near you contact us.

Antwort von Hansa:

"Jogi" wrote: @ Hansa,
I understand your concern, in the best possible quality to rotate. Also I try my pictures in best possible quality at the chip to bring. Therefore I bought synonymous an EX1. Only time I often synonymous freehand shots, because a tripod is not always has to be built quickly. When I have time then I work synonymous with a tripod, very clear!
As next above posted, I am with the picture of my EX 1 always very enthusiastic. You might want to have an ex .. Borrow times and sample shots. Just a Sony dealer near you contact us.

Hi Jogi,
the time I then synonymous.

MfG Suki

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