Frage von cartv:
Hello everybody!
We have tried with a Canon XH A1 recording in a disco to make .... unfortunately there was very little light.
If we turn up the gain, there is a very bad color and the pictures are vergriest.
What are we doing wrong? Is there maybe a trick? Or good for garnicht the Camera?
Many Thanks
Mike
Antwort von ruessel:
Without light no video ;-)
The XH A1 is one of the Luminous HDV cameras I have ever had in my fingers. Only larger image converter which can be massive change (SonyEX1 probably).
It is synonymous somewhat depends on how the camera was not set (Preset + shutter), but more than 6dB gain I think that is no longer acceptable. Only for extremely important images I could gain +12 dB even understand, everything else is only useful for web applications.
Review look here: http://www.fxsupport.de/02_Canon_XH_A1.html#presets
Antwort von Axel:
From from ( 'A' mode) uses the camera too much gain. You could gain at the 12 dB limit (Custom programming of the gains), then you're not a super-bright picture, but a very natural, and almost no noise. Already suitable for disco, but you should make a few tests.
EDIT: I have been synonymous in the situation. Wedding - Party in the golf club-disco. A relatively large space, with a 4 x Par light organ was irradiated. The first half I keep up with 12 dB, but it came to me in the dark before viewfinders. Then I zugedreht gain full bottle. Result: The second half is unusable, the first a good compromise. Very much better was my old VX 2k felt not synonymous.
Antwort von cartv:
first many thanks for the super fast response!
Unfortunately, we have never been recorded in a club made.
there are many stop lights, etc. so impressive but it was already synonymous.
There is a more accurate recommendation for recruitment?
thank you very much
mike
Antwort von strohy:
Precise recommendations?
Buys you a light (Romy, Paglight, Panther, etc.) to do so.
Without it can actually remember. I film with my XH-A1 almost exclusively in clubs and at events and then I did the relatively favorable Paglight purchased.
As I said without lamp is actually nothing.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Try it with just test shots. As long as there is no additional light goes, I would omit synonymous. Light in the head always looks Disse ... oh well ... not "really" from.
Perhaps there is the possibility of illumination during filming in other ways to enhance / increase to? This means that more of the built-headlights / spotlights, dimmer bit high ...
BG
Andreas
Antwort von ruessel:
Time, a somewhat daring hypothesis of mine: Is HDV at all suitable for disco? I personally have only bad experiences with this, the 25 Mbit range is actually not sufficient to artifact-free images to get. Problem with the codec fast changing light ....... here I immediately get a strong Splinting and the picture looks on a big screen is no longer acceptable to.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Time, a somewhat daring hypothesis of mine: Is HDV at all suitable for disco? I personally have only bad experiences with this, the 25 Mbit range is actually not sufficient to artifact-free images to get. Problem with the codec fast changing light ....... here I immediately get a strong Splinting and the picture looks on a big screen is no longer acceptable to. Goes surprisingly well. Even when one sees hardly Strobolicht artifacts. And the only writer in the image. During playback, super sharp images.
The biggest problem is actually still strong jumping crowds, with flash lights, the swiveling flags, pyro and lighting effects. It's there but only for the World Cup.
I personally would never be without a head light film. It may take a few pictures of person with an elevated Slowshutter, because come the scanner and other lighting effects out beautifully, but the rest does not go without the head light. The best of the Panthers with built-in dimmer.
Antwort von ruessel:
Goes surprisingly well. Even when one sees hardly Strobolicht artifacts. ... just then I had the most problems, there is every frame before and after the light change at virtually the FX1/HC1 zerblockt (was so bad, something I would offer my customers do not want).
Rotating Machinery, sparks or other fast movements on the other hand, for I find no problem as HDV .....
Antwort von cmbfilm:
So we still have two LED_Lights SWIT ... and just been a complete ari-set (the latter will be in a club but not for * smile *)
The head light has the disadvantage halt the range but still very much in the frame (ie at 2 a.m. to 3 p.m. meter is completely end)!
Everything else, I would again be very disruptive häftig and feel for the audience!
Antwort von r.p.television:
Goes surprisingly well. Even when one sees hardly Strobolicht artifacts.
... just then I had the most problems, there is every frame before and after the light change at virtually the FX1/HC1 zerblockt (was so bad, something I would offer my customers do not want).
Rotating Machinery, sparks or other fast movements on the other hand, for I find no problem as HDV ..... With the FX1, I have such recordings Strobo not tested. But I've read that the encoder of my XL H1 this has been greatly improved. Seems to agree, because when I feared the Stroboaufnahmen precisely because of the extreme light and color-enhanced Splinting. But even the frames before and after the light changes are not, or only minimal verblockt. I was only visible when Splinting all sorts of hurdles MPEG occurred simultaneously.
Antwort von r.p.television:
The head light has the disadvantage halt the range but still very much in the frame (ie at 2 a.m. to 3 p.m. meter is completely end)!
Everything else, I would again be very disruptive häftig and feel for the audience! But it is only the front onwenn people are central to the events. I think the superficial whitening is almost a substitute for an in-depth blur in the background. The viewer can and will not be on the lot konentrieren.
And if a person is about 10 meters away of the camera in focus, then with just hand there and illuminate headlights.
At a glance shots you can, as mentioned before, the slow-shutter operate. As experience has seen all synonymous lighting effects is very well made.
Antwort von ruessel:
With the FX1, I have such recordings Strobo not tested. But I've read that the encoder of my XL H1 this has been greatly improved. And I have not Strobo shooting with the XH A1 made, I assumed, 25 Mbit are 25MBit. But everything is MPEG2, so here is a big difference?
Antwort von Axel:
Schön Slashcam would be an article which explains exactly. Aufgeschnappt I have a chip from an HDV Camera Picture is received before writing to the tape repeatedly analyzed. GOP structure and data will remain constant, but can be a single, very different frame (Strobo) clean will be described, and that is probably already set by the processor-dependent.
The fear that HDV would
look unnaturally rapid movements or cascade collapse in pixels can take only certain recording situations, such as sports with a very short shutter speed. Motion blur is good but "played". Example: on a carousel ride, the background bewegungsunscharfe liquid than intraframekomprimiertem DV, the periodic motion of the foreground (people in the next gondola) is well dissolved.
HDV tends either to block formation and bucking (outside of Carousel, with a short shutter speed) or smearing (bad hand-held camera). It's probably a question to avoid the former and the latter creative.
This observation, I have both the FX-1 as synonymous with the A1 made.
Antwort von r.p.television:
With the FX1, I have such recordings Strobo not tested. But I've read that the encoder of my XL H1 this has been greatly improved.
And I have not Strobo shooting with the XH A1 made, I assumed, 25 Mbit are 25MBit. But everything is MPEG2, so here is a big difference? The thought I actually synonymous. But apparently they're relevant differences in the codec engines of different cameras, the camera's internal signal in the same HDV2 25MBit convert. You've got a synonymous XH A1, if I am not mistaken. Try it with the times from. The should have the same engine as the XL H1 have.
Perhaps it is synonymous to the Strobos to Taktierung. Maybe because I simply synonymous lucky and it was better with the GOP structure zusammengepaßt.
Antwort von r.p.television:
@ trunk:
Sorry. Hab grade noticed my mistake. Do not just read. Of course you have the XH A1. Thought you write synonymous of the XL H1. That's stupid of the name similarity.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Do not supposedly have the same signal processing as well as several other similarities?
Had the times somewhere aufgeschnappt
Greeting
smooth
Antwort von r.p.television:
Do not supposedly have the same signal processing as well as several other similarities?
Had the times somewhere aufgeschnappt
Greeting
smooth Right. There are the same CCDs and allegedly synonymous same signal processing used. I have the XL H1 approximately one and a half years and the XH A1 is now three weeks. To me, however, as before, as if the XH A1 for the same aperture, shutter speed and gain a little light sensitive than the H1. Did lack of time but not this suspicion by direct comparison can überpfüfen.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Thank you! I had it right in your memory.
If not I Vertu has an enhanced A1 firmware of the behavior you observed.
I just on a safari in the last corners of my memory excavated. Bin mal gespannt so if you can stand.
Antwort von pizpat:
Even something relating to Low-Light and A1: Because I often look at biker meetings nightly parties movies, I learned that for the A1 definitely not good. LCD Screen for A1 shows why setting a too bright picture, which is not the end, which is only correct times. Only with the head light or additional lighting brings the A1 acceptable results. Had some gain to +12 dB applied and only a noise filter to low, the other off, as motions and pans otherwise ghosting draw. For such applications, I'm back to my VX2100 changed. In light of the worlds better, sharpness is synonymous with Lowlight higher, simply because the more lines dissolves in Lowlight mind. The A1, I s.mittlerer to high light intensity, then provides the better results.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
The problem displays s.LCD is the so-called back light ...
Thus the picture presented is "brighter" than it actually is.
This is not a Canon-specific problem, which is known synonymous of Sonyand other manufacturers. Fortunately, the brightness is now in almost all models adjust better:)
Antwort von Thomas Petschel:
sorry, had forgotten earlier tologin ...
The LCD display is SonyVX2100 the basic setting in the image brightness about it, then how on tape. The Canon is the basic setting is too bright (with no correction problem), but the display is synonymous bad read, if the angle is slightly oblique and not in 90-degree top view. When daylight with the sun, eg. in the south was almost nothing more to see, you've filmed with viewfinders. Such weaknesses in the LCD display when VX2100 gibs not. Since Canon's room for improvement ...
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
I agree with you one hundred percent to the display of the Canon is in grottig
almost all matters.
Nevertheless, I can barely move as the focus. But really just a little less Resolutionund it would be completely unusable.
If HD quality evaluation should be planned using IEEE 1394 and a laptop or PC. This can be very sharp images to capture. Since I was the first time really impressed how good the image quality it is.
Antwort von r.p.television:
The display of the XL H1 is worse. Besides the defective Resolutionvermag it so hard to expose correctly. Everything always looks somehow out overexposed. Episode: Sometimes is exposed.
When everything is connected Peaking white.
This is sometimes a major reason why I voted for HVR-270 will change. One sees what one is filming. Is not negligible. But the times stated an engineer at Canon. Especially since the automatic exposure control of the XL H1 and XH A1 synonymous works very unzuverläsig.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Since I am relieved that the LCD monitor when the H1 is even worse.
My A1 is set so that I can see what s.Ende out at the end. Still a bit too bright but I know now to be considered.
In the course of this year, I plan a 12 "HD monitor to purchase.
If I were the camera settings with the adjustment is the problem solved.
Because to get at the bad and Viewfinder display anyway hardly around. Against the A1 was the FX1 almost a display queen ;-)
Nevertheless, a very good camera for the "little" money.
For manual focus, I would wish a software modification, with which it is possible to zoom function a bit more to raise. Peaking like me not so good. They display a clever and I would be completely happy ...
If it were not for the EX1 as well as various shoulder camcorder would ...
Perhaps my PowerMac financially to hand, but he comes from superior parents house ;-)
Antwort von nomulus:
In the course of this year, I plan a 12 "HD monitor to purchase.
what floats you have before-you have a tip?
