Frage von DezorianGuy:
Hi!
Possession: Canon HV20, Rode Videomic (mono)
Make: Short Films
Should I consider me a XLR Micro zuzulegen?
Although the Canon Cam not even on such an input has (have read something of a manual prepared XLR jack port to connect to XLR s.Klinke can - rumors?).
What should I note .... worth the switch to XLR?
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Moin,
There are XLR to jack adapter perfectly normal to buy. Since I'm with a borrowed XL1 practice and on the purchase of a radio line to think that I have at times called Thomann. The Sennheiser wireless routes have cable with XLR and TRS with, alternatively connectable.
XLR was announced in the professional sector, because it is mechanically reliable.
A Micro will probably not be better just because it has XLR, but usually have better XLR mics.
Edit: I forgot: Many Microphones need electricity "48 Volt Phantonspeisung", which then have XLR and must s.ein device that precisely this phantom power supplies.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von Axel:
XLR is not only better mechanical connections, a 6.3 mm jack is not
synonymous tears so easily from the socket. Their main advantage lies in a balanced signal to transfer to the longer distances and in interference (noise, Sirren, humming, crackling, radio, mobile) stays clean. But: With an adapted car jack is the entire line asymmetrically, so that you could then save XLR. There are solutions like> Beachtek, a box with XLR inputs and phantom power, which comes under the Camera and then a short of 3.5, he jack cable
into the
mic delivers. The short trail is straightforward. And the XLR cable to the Micro may be as long as it wants.
Fastened to the XLR-Micro directly s.Camcorders, so synonymous has a short way is to use an
adapter cable
Other hand, there are the Sennheiser MKE400, unhesitatingly recommended the asymmetric directional micro-camcorder (which is not for nothing has a short cable).
Antwort von Tuffy:
Hi,
as has been said brings XLR low susceptibility preference for "on the Camera" is your total VideoMic but Ok, s.der Tonangel makes jack with extension, but no fun, while short film should be a synonymous times a sleeve have .
BechTek is a possibility, but synonymous expensive, another is to use a DI box.
Here you can with the XLR cable from the mic (on the Connections, ie Ins and Out careful!) Directly into the box on this line is then the desired symmetrical connection, and from the box to get Jack (6.3 jack it, easy to adapt). A device that would, for example,
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
So, if you turn shorts, you should think s.ein XLR Micro, right?
What do I need for a smooth film project?
What mics are price performance winner, how expensive are they and what do I need for adapters and cables?
Few examples I've already given, thank you, in any case:)
Get everything directly from thomann? Ja ne seems to be good for Page sowas ... and probably still be cheap, right?
I need in any case ne solution for my Tonangelaufnahmen ... my 10 meter cable jack is somehow disruptible ... oh yes, what was with funkfähiger transmission without cables?
Antwort von Tuffy:
No, no way forced. Only for advanced Tonmanöver, which ranges VideoMic but otherwise totally. The XLR uses Micro thee nothing, if you neither need nor can connect.
For a smooth film project, you need to get just the design, if you need something - and we speak of
need, not want (but everything costs money, and if necessary is not necessary).
Microphones with XLR connections are grad in the current video movies in the test - P / L is the winner RODE M3, otherwise go to the magazine loading times and times after reading it ;-) depending on what you can get, you need a micro synonymous, which does not need phantom power. The M3, however, is synonymous kidney, I do not know if you want more of a club.
You need anything else, what the symmetric transmission allows the cable - the Converter mentioned BechTek linked or DI box, the XLR cable into the appropriate length, with the DI box or a cable 6.3 mm jack to 3.5 mm jack (for in-the-Camera), while BechTek nothing (everything is already there!)
As you notice, everything was already said - otherwise googled times.
Thomann leads BeachTek the adapter, but the rest Thomann is convenient and above all competent; synonymous with questions. Shipping and exchange time speak for themselves.
For Mics, you can certainly pay more than your little camera, is always better. Denk s.accessories as Windfell etc.
Did not grad it in your head, but a radio link, you can probably not afford.
Greetings!
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
Ok, sounds good.
Will I in any case, the optimum s.Soundhardware purchase, at least in the semi frameless prof.
Rode M3 costs 99 euros, I think BeachTek Converter nowhere. Only in English pages ... where is there such a device in an attractive and well-known you good shop?
I should be more for a Micro than on my small cam?
So, you have given me but that of Rode M3 or recommended? That is not expensive. Whether or kidney lobe ... qualitätive there are differences, or only by the price?
So for such a film Micro würd I can jump more than 99 euros.
Antwort von Tuffy:
You want the best in the semi-field? Then you should delve deeper into the pockets - for under 200 ¬ you get but not super-Microphone!
BeachTek has only one official German distributor (one way, easy to find out which HP can), which is group 3 Whether directly jetzzt are favorable is a question for themselves:
- click - ; solche Teile kommen eben direkt unter die Camera. Eine DI-Box ist ein wenig komplexer zum anbringen, aber wesentlich günstiger.
Wenn Du was wirklich tolles willst, musst Du mehr ausgeben, das meinte ich.
Das M3 ist günstig, klar; hat aber keinerlei Kamerahalterung, and ist eben eine Niere.
Keule oder Niere ist keine Frage of Qualität oder price, sondern eben die Charakteristik. das ist nicht unwichtig, je nach Einsatzgebiet; lies die mal diesen Artiekl ganz and aufmerksam durch:
polar pattern at Wikipedia A film-Micro in the sense is something like a
Sennheiser MKH 60, nur mal für die Dimension; kannst aber synonymous with einem
RODE NTG-2 Sennheiser MKH 60, nur mal für die Dimension; kannst aber synonymous with einem
Before there is even more speculation: times inform yourself what characteristics you need - go to the shop and you buy the output of the video movies, or read them at least, since it is already a few times in it - in your price range. With audio samples on their website.
Greeting
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
Thanks for the detailed replies s.alle here.
I'm going to get this magazine in any event Monday growth and maybe even subscribe.
I wish you the days again.
Antwort von shipoffools:
... A film-Micro in the sense is something like a Sennheiser MKH 60 , nur mal für die Dimension; kannst aber synonymous with einem RODE NTG-2 will be happy ....
Now that we in the professional sector rather to a Sennheiser MKH60 for just 1700 ¬ back as a RODE NTG-2 or Beyerdynamic MCE 86 for tight 200 to 300 euros is clear. Times, but I dare to say that the latter for the semi-field are more than adequate, especially since most (... more 'assertion ne) 95% of all people the sound difference from the professional Semiprofimikro Micro would not even recognize. It depends ultimately synonymous of the 'gadgets', but with which the sound is output, and this is in the video section now most times of the Television. And most TVs so rather than have mediocre to poor speakers. Because then you use the most expensive synonymous Micro nothing more. Since the sound is just mediocre. That one on a high-end hi-fi system for 20,000 euros, where even for the wiring from the amplifier to the speakers already easily spend 1,000 euros can be the difference between a professional and a 200 micro-Euro-Micro hear is clear. But even if its Television s.eine good investment depends, is Otto-Normal-consumer (and to whom I count myself) the sound difference is not really, if you are not specifically aimed respects, and even then it's difficult ... Depends of course synonymous depends on what you are filming. For a wedding or a sporting event, you probably do not so much on the sound of the eighth as a concert or a music recording.
As long as there is not a "50-euro Cheap thingy" or inferior to the internal Micro HV20 is one with a 200 - to 300-euro-Micro really good, semi-results, which of course, a whole series of other factors (micro cables - synonymous as we know, there's serious differences - Windscreen, Tonangel, post, etc.).
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von Tuffy:
Mir is not only about the sound, synonymous over the frequency range of internal self-noise preamplifier, etc.
Ums spiteful to say the difference would be in our hands not remember.
I wanted to now synonymous not say he needed the MKH60 buy - only those who ran with the setting goes, XLR = better, which I wanted but a little open the eyes. Is the semi MKH in my eyes rather synonymous, synonymous, however, is a question, so what you (fully) to call professional.
Of course he is with a little fun, but there is no upside VideoMic synonymous - not just for fishing. I found the wording hakelig - in the Optimal Semiprofibereich is not just for me NTG.
Understanding we are ;-)
Greetings!
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
So, everyone here would agree that its more of the matter as I understand, when I rode the ntg2 growth.
As I said, it is the purpose of the Tonangels fully meet them. It will hold the best possible sound good, well ... or could absorb, there is "much" better for a minimal price increase?
Be me tomorrow as I said, the magazine will provide.
To get the 200 euro so I was hardly better than the NTG2, right?
By: My Tonangel is martialisch, macabre and minimalist Wischmob from a rod-leichtalu been misused.
Fits this NTG2 actually on a traditional fishing?
Are Tonangeln not expensive? If you 100 euros for a piece of aluminum output when running for the same, only without Connections / Micro Clamps can get?
In short: What is it & a Tonangel mountable Micro (xlr) with 5-20 meters of cable.
Angel max. 50 euros, Micro Max. 300 euros
Antwort von Tuffy:
Read just a little about microphones and characteristics - what do you want for fishing? If you're after for fishing will need a kidney, and with mace hantierst, do not get everything on it.
Not directly buy first know what to buy and what you need!
On a traditional fishing matches already, and a Tonangel is not equal Tonangel.
Sure you can take a piece of wood, but how long is it, and how hard? At the university, we have long Tonangeln, stable and lightweight, super thing.
But did you all synonymous in the mind? Sound body - I do not know how to react because the NTG2, but you should not be sidelined. 5-20m Cable, 20m? Why this?
Long shielded cable must be good - what it cost back.
Windscreen etc everything? Higher in the air = more noise of the wind
50 ¬ and is good Tonangel ja irgendwie doof - say, for everything max. 350 ¬. Is there already a possibility of recording it, a Field Recorder (expensive), the BeachTek the DI Box?
An example of the bill:
189 ¬ -
RODE NTG-285 ¬ -
RODE Boom Pole Tonangel 39 ¬ -
RODE SM3 elastische Mirkohalterung (zur Vermeidung of Körperschall)
69 ¬ -
Millennium DI Box That is
382 ¬, while not a single cable (must be synonymous to the Connections sure whether you Fe.male as the XLR-Male (the forum does not allow me, from the first to write ... nice filter!) Need or otherwise), whether the windscreens of NTGs enough I do not know. The micro-bracket is perhaps not necessary (I do not know, the M § need as far as I know none), and can obviously synonymous cheap Tonangel of eBay, which cost as (with shipping) just 40 ¬. But if the happiness is ...
A good XLR cable synonymous not cost so little, what is so synonymous hold.
Greetings!
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
Thx for the listing, so I was around before. Hab ne now approximate overview of the costs of sound (I had previously zusammengekauft optical stuff and Sound neglected).
Tonangel I need to record votes in a conversation between 2 people.
Antwort von Axel:
Hi Dezo,
very good that you write:
Voices record. Attempts times when only the scenic work dialogues as an O-Tones and clean up the rest later in the mix to make. Many bad movies (synonymous to YouTube) to gain considerably if it looks dumb. This allows the reverse conclusion, that its bad (technically inferior, but atmospherically synonymous inappropriate) sound corrupts them. Indeed there are many studies which have shown how important the sound at the "consideration" is.
Antwort von Tuffy:
Moin,
apropos mix - you have a suitable sound card? And I mean no Audigy Gamer card or the onboard?
That is one thing I want synonymous soon acquire, a sound card, intelligent (preferably FW that I synonymous they can get to the MacBook), which to me synonymous neutral sound output - to the studio with headphones (I like my neighbors are reluctant to bother) to "mix ". I find "Studio" and "mix" are big words, I want just a reference to the sound design. So no HiFi frequency.
The characteristics, it is actually rather no preference what you want to include, but not to what radius. The NTG-2 is hypercardioid, I can not tell you whether that is enough. Maybe you just want addressed, then the thigh, or large, ie kidney. The Tip: Thomann has a slick service, etc which are exchanged, you pay
nothing. So time to test everything, if you get it.
Degrees, we were just in the expenditure of Sound:
What is it with headphones like? Sound in the Studio is always listening. Since ideally no synonymous in Ears of mp3 player, or the cheap HiFi with a closed shell.
What you realize you still need to:
The list above is the use of the DI box, ie a more or less direct connection of camera and mic (which absorbs the sound). The box should be as close as possible s.der camera so that the cable of this camera to be synonymous short (one unsymmtrische connection ALWAYS hold briefly, otherwise uses the rest is nothing!). And then again calculate: the XLR cable, if very long, can be annoying as synonymous. And the Tonangler is from Kammeramann dependent, as is coordination or much money for the equipment of kaputtgegangene troubles ;-)
Greetings!
