Frage von shipoffools:
Hello,
I address myself specifically s.die owner of a Zoom H4 recorder.
After I read them often had, how good was the H4 and how satisfied the most with this device were I a few days ago, this part also increased. Um's anticipated take: I am not particularly enthusiastic about the Zoom H4. The recording quality with the internal microphone is not very "heady" with the word "intoxicating" it hits pretty well ...
The recordings in a noisy environment, such as road or pub atmosphere are okay. But shots in a quiet environment, such as a text in a quiet room eingesprochen have such a strong background noise that you were wondering, that the zoom recorder always gets such good reviews.
The gain setting to "Mid" is more bearable than in high position, but still, for my taste too much noise. The Collapse of the level does not make things any better when the whole thing in the computer then returns to normal.
With the noise removal of Audacity or Nero Wave Editor can be very useful while recording noise, but a basic signal with significantly less noise would be the beginning of me as well dear.
Even the mic preamps for external XLR jacks just do not deliver the best results, with the presence of these connections and the possibility of phantom power for my purchase was crucial. I've tested it several microphones (Sennheiser ME66, Shure SM58, T.bone SC100II, T.bone SC450). The noise is significantly lower, but still not in an area so that I would be fully happy. The Sennheiser and the T.bone SC100II have the best results. An old no-name lavalier microphone preamp with a built on the jacks (6.3 mm) connected delivered surprisingly the only really good results!
As I said, with the noise removal can be of various programs of the "damage" is limited and the results are acceptable, but to me after I had many more positive reviews of this digital recorder is expected. For me it would be interesting to know whether other zoom owners experience the same order as I have collected, or whether my device is broken even (?) And an exchange would help.
The second point that concerns me mystery is that the recorded files * a very low level and which the Amplituten when importing into Audacity, for example, are very low. If it were not for the beginning of much more "there" or is the all digital recorders so?
As I said, I would have people who have experience with the device have, grateful for helpful information regarding the above "problems". I want to keep the Zoom H4, in any case (possibly exchange if unit is not quite okay ???), since at the moment my financial framework to migrate to the class as gehobenere Fostex FR-2 LE or Marantz PMD 660 is not permitted (Are halt nochmal 200 - 250 euros more ...).
Regards
shipoffools
* Example voice recording in a quiet room (Wave, 48 kHz, 16 or 24 bit, high gain, 100% Level, linguistic distance about 25-30 cm, not normalized) according to frequency analysis with Audacity: Spitzenamplitute at approximately -20 dB
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Here, regarding space shots I had the days ne of Terratec PHASE 88 (the firewire version) of his friend borrowed - geiles part I can only recommend it - had the PCI version with went to offer "130" Euro raus - sqwas worth ;-)
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Get with times of a clue here - NEN small portable mixer recommend you test the sound in between and then gets much bessren sound - I have regarding this just some NEN therefore urge s.Informations hunger makes everything sound concerned my best friend ;-)
The Zoom H4 is so far from friends, I am informed of a nice "recording device" - but my boys are usually more music based on and therefore I can regarding video you sound little to say.
Alla
MfG
B. DeKid
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Antwort von shipoffools:
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Antwort von ksr:
So if ne new acquisitions to the debate, can I have the Zoom H2 absolutely recommend it! Super sound quality with the internal Micro, in contrast, slightly softer external level (as have all but synonymous not tried much). The H2 is the successor of the H4 - and cheaper, do you get when Thomann eg 195 Euro. My girlfriend works as a freelance reporter (mainly interviews) and is very satisfied, excellent price-/Leistungsverhältnis. Should synonymous for music very good.
Antwort von ArnAuge:
@ Shipoffools
I know the device is synonymous only reviews, but if you read your description, you immediately think the reason for the noise to know. A (too) low level is THE classic reason, because of the "contrast" (cinematically speaking) between the wanted and noise is not large enough.
Do you have something with manual audio control attempts?
Regards
Arno
Antwort von Pillermännchen:
Look here:
http://forum.slashcam.de/digitalrecorder-zoom-h4-vt46174.html?highlight=
My experience with the ME66 are like you, positively.
As you probably benefited from the high output level of the microphone.
The preamps in H4 are not really the hit.
But at the moment there is in the price range is still not much better when you on XLR and phantom power value sets.
I'm really happy, but mainly because of the disastrous and awkward handling, are not.
Jens
Antwort von beiti:
The H2 is the successor of the H4 H4 is the bigger model with XLR and phantom power - and to submit the TO Microphone because of its large-value equipment.
Antwort von shipoffools:
Hello, first thank you for your answers.
I had the opportunity my Zoom H4 with another to compare. Result: The noise and the recording quality of both devices are "one to one" right now. So my recorder is definitely in order.
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Get with times of a clue here - NEN small portable mixer recommend you test the sound in between and then gets much bessren sound ... From the idea was not bad, but it synonymous to the real benefits of an "all-in-one device like the Zoom H4 to flutes: small and compact and (relatively) quickly.
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Do you have something with manual audio control is trying ... Yes, I have the device in all possible modes to "Go-no-more" tested. Gain setting on the switch (chen) "L", "M", "H" for both the internal microphone as synonymous for the XLR jacks or 6.3-mm jacks. In the menu, the level scheme of 40 - 120%. Microphones (with and without phantom power 48 or 24 volts), MD recorder, mixer connected. As I said, the external jacks deliver significantly better results than the internal microphone, but the yellow from the egg ", they are not exactly synonymous. Let us consider that we can live with ...
Interesting s.den internal microphone, however, that several well-known types can simulate microphone: Shure SM57, Sennheiser MD421, Neumann U87 and AKG C414
These simulations are originals while logically s.die not approached, but for example, the MD421 setting I like almost better than the default setting of the zoom.
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Look here:
http://forum.slashcam.de/digitalrecorder-zoom-h4-vt46174.html?highlight=
... Also this thread I read before purchase, what I actually encouraged that, the recording quality should be very good.
However, if one then reads as something of 'nor' s Guest "(from the above thread), then one has to wonder even whether the statements of any people still can be trusted:
... The features are unmatched, and what the sound quality is concerned, I'm (not only) I am thrilled. Especially for "adhoc" recording, the device is ideal because it is really only turn on and someone in the nose must be kept to a fairly good recording quality to get. If the thing is on a tripod, you can actually speak of studio quality. Disadvantage, of course, is that the micro-arrangement more or less everything is recorded, which is not explicitly behind the device, this could be for pure studio recordings perceive as a disadvantage. ... Who at the Zoom H4 of
"studio quality" speaks of the matter has really no idea.
Neither Preamps Microphones are still somewhere in the vicinity of studio quality. I Mikrovorverstärker comparisons of the zoom, for example, with those of my Mackie 1642 VLZ3, then there are worlds in between! And even the Mackie-mixer is still miles of high-end studio-quality away.
... but after "nor 's guest" yes supposedly his
"bread and butter it with my fingers and ears" deserves, we can only speculate that he had his ears well with too much loud music has been ruined. Sorry, but who is
the background noise of the Zoom H4 does not hear, you must really have s.den ears.
At the above mentioned thread "fine", I can only say that I have with the menu and really turned a little on the small control elements actually quite good zurechtkomme.
My résumé to the Zoom H4 provides in any case so that I do with the recording quality to live, because in the price segment around 250 euros at the moment seemingly nothing better can be expected. Maybe because I have sensitive ears somewhat synonymous.
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
So you want with the H4 is not meaningful, and essential for good quality enhancements equip, because then maybe he no longer is small and handy? Then I can not help you synonymous. Without gehts so lala just as you've already found.
In seriously, what is so bad because the recording device with a decent pre-amp power supply and appropriate in a small, practical bags Chen accommodate the neck, as it is starting and there is? Yes no Do SQN in a PortaBrace his ... and if you need something handy and the quality is not as important is mistaken, stopper the thing you just briefly from.
Antwort von Colo:
Would like to confirm the contribution of KSR. I have the Zoom H2 for some time on the dubbing of Still Image / film shows in the use and am very satisfied. Handy and reliable. Greeting Colo.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Moin!
Zoom H2, I have a few small concerts and video recordings of events used. In the vicinity of the birthday of speakers on a table and make it has a perfectly decent sound for drunterlegen if one with the Camera elsewhere has confessed to the celebrations and not with a radio link could.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von shipoffools:
So you want with the H4 is not meaningful, and essential for good quality enhancements equip ... Then I can not help you synonymous. ... Im serious, what is so bad because the recording device with a decent pre-amp power supply and appropriate in a small, practical bags Chen accommodate the neck, as it is starting and there is? .... In principle there is nothing the Zoom H4 'sense to expand. "
If it is the "effort" is worth, I will be synonymous my small Behringer mixer in between hanging with you both as synonymous with power can operate. The mixer preamps that are synonymous is not perfect, but still better than the zoom.
A small "ordinary pre-amp" I have yet to buy, and of, if it was "ordinary" should be, with at least 100 - 150 euros and up to this. Since then, I would prefer the money nor puls' n bit put out, the zoom back and give me equal to something like the Marantz PMD 660 purchase. Equally handy and compact as the zoom and I had the extra "cable shitted" do not have any two devices and would rumschleppen (... if the reviewers of different people can trust ...) probably a top-quality recording. But after I over the past few months, thousands of output equipment had my budget allows at the moment nochmal 250 euros more not to.
Nevertheless, thanks for the suggestions,
synonymous because I can always glad to help. o)
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von pepono61:
I had problems with the H4, since the audio signal is ultimately not synchronously with the video was. Did the Zoom H4 then returned.
With a recording time of half an hour the sound of several seconds apart - it was useless for me then.
"Zoom H2, I have a few small concerts and video recordings of events used. In the vicinity of the birthday of speakers on a table and make it has a perfectly decent sound for drunterlegen if one with the Camera elsewhere and has confessed to the celebrations not with a radio link could come. " Wie gehts euch with the synchronicity?
Antwort von shipoffools:
I had problems with the H4, since the audio signal is ultimately not synchronously with the video was. Did the Zoom H4 then returned.
With a recording time of half an hour the sound of several seconds apart - it was useless for me then.
The problem was (that) I have my MD recorders synonymous, was (is), but in the post in the NLE no problem, because yes, the speed of the clips can adapt. Works, unless within the images themselves speed differences occur properly.
The Zoom H2 comes for me due to the lack of XLR connectors is not in question.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Wie gehts euch with the synchronicity? Recently, 85 minutes lecture
s.Stück with the EX1 and the H2 added, s.Schluss were three or four frames offset.
Was mainly to remember, because of the speakers with a hammer blow to the court a la lecture ended.
If one shot, a full stage and more, one sees the eh 'is not.
Maybe just lucky and have the EX-1 and H2 have the same "beat" ...
Regards
Christian
