Frage von kalteis:
Hi folks,
I would like my Of Consumer 3chip Panasonic HD switch. I am now of all the cameras around between 800 and 2000 ¬ .. in most tests is an almost infinite number of things which I received personally use or believe are not necessary so I have a little lost and would like to review my question s.euch address:
What Camera (s) would you recommend to me:
- Best possible image quality synonymous with moving images
- Price segment till ¬ 1200 (or 1400, then ichs war on Ebay for 1200)
- Exposure time, I can (but no preference, if only in a menu is not necessarily per-use element can be accessed)
- Sound & co ABSOLUTELY no preference
- Lowlight ABSOLUTELY no preference
- Connections ABSOLUTELY no preference
Thank you in advance for your help!
Lg
Andi
Antwort von Tuffy:
Tell me as nonsense, though I recommend a Canon HV30 ...?
Greetings!
Antwort von raymaker:
If elected, yes.
Only, I wonder what it really wants to TE?
Antwort von PowerMac:
HV30.
(OT: Ebay is and has never been cheap. A false assumption, Ebay is cheap ...)
Antwort von kalteis:
HV30, accurate views, looks great, thank you very much for the tip.
Raymaker: I film behind-the-scenes (thus either be light, or illuminated, or studio) and in training (either daytime or in the hall) my Parkour / Free Running artists. Therefore I need not Lowlight, nor any sound because the edits (Demo videos, etc) for only music comes into the soundtrack. Therefore, synonymous to me all the audio - and wasweisich Connections no preference, as long as I ANY IMAGE material on the PC wars. Question answered? :-)
Or as an example, look at the behind-the-scenes shots in here to: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=S6KECwmY4d4
Powermac: times, times like that. HV30 because I find zb for 680 ¬, which I find quite ok. Gladly, I can not, however, teach a lesson! :-)
LG & Thanks
Andi
Antwort von SebiG:
HV 30 is probably optimal. Even better picture would certainly deliver the HF10/HF100 but the material is clearly synonymous with sophisticated editing, so the HV30 is the better choice but if thou hast würd 1200 scheduled for the HV30, I maybe on ebay times and refrain from buying new merchandise.
Cameras at ebay buy, I think is not a good idea, especially for such a cheap cam can be synonymous times to refrain from eBay.
Antwort von kalteis:
SebiG, Thanks for the suggestion. The test pictures I like the HF10 still synonymous one tick better than the HV30.
Can you please explain what you mean by that that the material clearly "sophisticated" is to edit?
Antwort von darg:
Would synonymous for HV30 and use the extra in the budget for a Wide Angleausgeben. Especially in a small space helps a lot. All the new cams are not just weitwinklig and raised with 0.7 zoom is not exactly synonymous much :-)
Conclusion: HV30 good choice HF10/100 even better image quality but stop AVCHD, but Canon of NASA is not directly a mainframe needed to make minor edits.
Antwort von kalteis:
Also ich hab mich jetzt mal by Wikipedia as read with the AVCHD looks. Another codec, but not of all programs is supported.
Let's ..
-I put my image because of a HF100 to.
-Cheap (because I need any professional software á la Final Cut .. for my purposes simply unnecessary) Schneider, for example, Magix, the AVCHD support for the principle of cutting and setting of use.
So far so good. Now comes the point I am due to lack of knowledge can not be investigated, and because I am sure you can help.
- Sequences that I actually even more detail with effects wishes, I can simply 'uncompressed' ausrendern and then uncompressed into After Effects (I have my Ebay of the 7er bought used, with the time I learned many years ago, so I feel because it probably) to import, then take advantage of, again uncompressed out of AFX, and then back after Magix.
Or is this how Ausrendern ichs not possible to introduce me? That would be my understanding that after the only point of my situation would speak against AVCHD. Of course if there are other points, please let me know.
LG
Andi
Antwort von darg:
So the codec of Canon's very easy to edit. Times I would say that he no longer claims as HDV is what the calculator is concerned. I thought synonymous, the H.264 is always the same but it is not. Check out http://www.fxsupport.de/, in his blog, he has a couple of HF10/100 original files to download and try it.
Generally you properly with the workflow, however, whether it must be uncompressed? is your choice.
Antwort von kalteis:
shown, Thanks for the quick response to the unchristian time :-)
uncompressed I said just because AFX does not support the codec. Thanks for the link, werd purely hit me immediately.
Fine day & LG
Andi
Antwort von darg:
Am currently in Malaysia, so my day is half rum :-)
Would recommend the Files of Wolfgang a look at the timeline of your NLE purely to create and see how it runs. I had several files on the network of all possible Cams times I wanted and the tested. The codec of Canon was the best, Eighth, however, that you get the correct files. I think he has a few synonymous changing the Files of the HF10. These messages are probably as AVI or m2t for HDV. The course you can not give the right impression.
AVCHD is not really as bad as some make it. That there are still gaps that need to be filled first, so that it runs smoothly, it is clear but that was so synonymous with HDV.
So richtig durchgestiegen what the respective differences in H.264 are, I'm still not. Would be good if maybe something of the professionals here and a kind of abstract could. Had a nice thread for sticky :-)
Antwort von Meggs:
HV30 because I find zb for 680 ¬, which I find quite ok. Gladly, I can not, however, teach a lesson! :-)
I see for 680 plus shipping 10 ¬ ne used HV30. New to get them in Atlantiv for 692nd
Antwort von Tuffy:
I own data eienr HF100 auffm Calculator, if desired ...
Uncompressed FullHD ...? Have fun, not only swallows the huge space, but synonymous tremendous power (synonymous've tried it, because I could not use it).
It had to convert with a Pana-software in DVC PRO HD, which are again at 1440x1080. Personally, I think more than AVCHD suboptimal - but everyone must know.
Greetings!
Antwort von kalteis:
Tuffy, because I would be very grateful for how come I s.die ran?
My email would contact ät-andreas kalteis.com
Thanks a lot & lg
Andi
Antwort von raymaker:
Raymaker: I film behind-the-scenes (thus either be light, or illuminated, or studio) and in training (either daytime or in the hall) my Parkour / Free Running artists. Therefore I need not Lowlight, nor any sound because the edits (Demo videos, etc) for only music comes into the soundtrack. Therefore, synonymous to me all the audio - and wasweisich Connections no preference, as long as I ANY IMAGE material on the PC wars. Question answered? :-)
Or as an example, look at the behind-the-scenes shots in here to: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=S6KECwmY4d4 I am solely Cinematographer, I work synonymous with no audio. I know your videos, mainly Wumm, 3 minutes faster cutting, and after 10 minutes after the shows, you forget your video;)
Ich würd Lowlight not underestimate, and possibly rolling shutter observed.
Antwort von kalteis:
raymaker, the people of our videos after 10 minutes have forgotten, are not the target audience. The target group are the squatters, casting agents, talent agencies and booking managers in the respective companies, our artists for the highest-profile projects book. I think this is absolutely the purpose-oriented. If I were such a video presenting the perfectly filmed, edited, composed, etc.. is to ask the (psychology for beginners), the action is so lukewarm, so that must help? If a normal video but that obviously does not großaufwändig professionally produced in the hand and get all the action is perplexed him so that he can color how cool this looks as if even his production company omits off their art - then he booked us .
I make these demo videos for years now, and until today I still have no case where I would Lowlight needed. We work hauptsächich s.wohlbudgetierten sets where standard lighting is perfect, just as on the stages and in studios. And sound, because for my purposes is not relevant.
As for rolling-shutter, which was synonymous to me several times already by the thought. Only thing I mitgelesen now so it seems that this is in HD in general to be a problem, or I am misinformed and that I can bypass?
Thanks LG &
Antwort von raymaker:
raymaker, the people of our videos after 10 minutes have forgotten, are not the target audience. The target group are the squatters, casting agents, talent agencies and booking managers in the respective companies, our artists for the highest-profile projects book. I think this is absolutely the purpose-oriented. If I were such a video presenting the perfectly filmed, edited, composed, etc.. is to ask the (psychology for beginners), the action is so lukewarm, so that must help? If a normal video but that obviously does not großaufwändig professionally produced in the hand and get all the action is perplexed him so that he can color how cool this looks as if even his production company omits off their art - then he booked us .
I make these demo videos for years now, and until today I still have no case where I would Lowlight needed. We work hauptsächich s.wohlbudgetierten sets where standard lighting is perfect, just as on the stages and in studios. And sound, because for my purposes is not relevant.
As for rolling-shutter, which was synonymous to me several times already by the thought. Only thing I mitgelesen now so it seems that this is in HD in general to be a problem, or I am misinformed and that I can bypass?
Thanks LG & "highest profile", "booking agents", "wohlbudgetierte sets, perfect lighting," "our book" Studios and Stages "
And then with the consumer media market share work and what it looks like no idea of the technology? Sorry;)
Antwort von kalteis:
And then with the consumer media market share work and what it looks like no idea of the technology? Right. Why? Why do I need a stunt double
in front of the camera (usually 16-35mm film, rare video) or on a stage, idea of AVCHD codecs, image sensors and Lowlighteigenschaften?
Frag doch mal model after some focal lengths and shutter speeds - the answer will be "for sowas gibts nen photographers.
And my purpose is, as already described, is absolutely simple. Off hand, BEHIND the professionals (the camera crews, lighting, etc..) Mitfilmen, then relaxed a few scenes you want, and with music provided. That I would even loose with Windows Movie Maker which, if it on my PC would not scrape off constantly.
What I do as the experts know how to acquire a video? Unnecessary. And when times but I have a question my purpose and knowledge than I can if I google not helpful, with friendly helpful people like Tuffy, Megger, present, and PowerMac SebiG some tips intermediaries. This is the expert in the sector.
And what brauchich because more of you than the designated media market parts? Why do I need since 3500 ¬ Cam with 100 manual controls and sound connections and Lowlight and zebra and whatever?
If you ever do business wilt, thou shalt surely quickly learn a basic rule: Save money where it's done, save costs wherever it's done. Sure, I can not synonymous Cam 5000 ¬ buy 6 months and am very deeply in HD codec, HD editing, sound recording etc.. familiarize themselves but WHY I ask you? Unnecessary and inefficient.
And now I understand quite frankly not what you want out? I am competent in another sector, and come here where you're competent to give me a little more help. I show appreciation for your expertise and do not claim that I solchiges in the field would have. Where exactly is your problem?
EDIT: Oh, Ok. Have now just your other contributions. Apparently you are here the great shame of each attack is not necessarily great "idea of the technology" has. Had I actually been in your first post that you have to feel less constructive, more anger from you. Well now you've portion get attention.
What you, dear Thomas, apparently ignoranterweise übersiehst, is that not everyone's life from DV Topics shape, some lives revolve around entirely different things and they really only need DV SUBSIDIARY, synonymous when it now a terrible shock for you to be ;) In any case, I would appreciate it if s.jetzt back in the original thread topic is debated / discussed would be.
Antwort von Meggs:
Right. Why? Why do I need a stunt double in front of the camera (usually 16-35mm film, rare video) or on a stage, idea of AVCHD codecs, image sensors and Lowlighteigenschaften?
Frag doch mal model after some focal lengths and shutter speeds - the answer will be "for sowas gibts nen photographers.
I thought you're the cameraman.
And my purpose is, as already described, is absolutely simple. Off hand, BEHIND the professionals (the camera crews, lighting, etc..) Mitfilmen, then relaxed a few scenes you want, and with music provided. That I would even loose with Windows Movie Maker which, if it on my PC would not scrape off constantly.
In any case, I would appreciate it if s.jetzt back in the original thread topic is debated / discussed would be.
The thread-topic but is best HD quality. Do you have a quality or not? Everyone here who has some practical experience has, knows that HD-blurred images, loosely strung together, just look shitty. If no preference, or even desirable, then you do not need HD camcorder with the best image quality, then institute a mobile phone with video function synonymous.
Antwort von kalteis:
Thanks for Back2Topic, Meggen.
I am not a "cameraman". I film BEHIND THE SCENES with actual shoot with. I am not the Director of 35mm image, but I'm mostly a stunt choreographer or Stuntsuperviser and movies BEHIND THE SCENES with.
Of course, I have a quality but as I said, as I have repeatedly said, s.die pure quality of the image with good lighting. Sound, Lowlight etc.. are uninteresting to me.
It is interesting for me, rather, how it assesses how much of the rolling-shutter negative impact here. Up next I've posted a link to see about the acts of which will be filmed. How do you that you have experience with HD, which is a how much beträchtigt HD / rolling shutter the shots here?
LG
Andi
Antwort von Tuffy:
Moin,
an e-mail you have now, and the data that I upload are apparently much earlier than I thought. So early in the morning I probably can not yet calculate :-)
Now it is about half an hour.
Greetings!
Antwort von Meggs:
How do you that you have experience with HD, which is a how much beträchtigt HD / rolling shutter the shots here?
Rolling shutter CMOS sensors can occur. Since you aufnimmst very fast movements, the danger is already there. Both the HV30 as synonymous, the HF100 has a CMOS chip. The images of both your camcorder with slow movements are extremely sharp, fast movements tend to blurred.
Antwort von kalteis:
Ah, so this is only based on CMOS. That means I should be looking for an HD Camera CMOS sensors are not used. Floats to hire you because something in front? Times while I go try Google.
Thanks LG &
Antwort von Tuffy:
Most consumer cameras use CMOS actually, a few prosumer (can you say or you will be stoned?) Still use 3CCDs.
In the longer clip of those I've sent you, so direction is (almost), you can make quite an Picture, "how bad" it is :-)
Greetings!
