Frage von sahamFriend:
Hello,
I had the mark of Media HF100 to test and am excited of lowLightverhalten. However, I have strong motion sharpness if I 1920datei via UleadVideoStudio to 720 for DVD conversion and then s.Television without HDready chart.
So when panning the camera and synonymous with rapid movements of the motifs (child runs through the room), I have more blurred than in my old Sonywith 400,000 pix.
If the s.der HF100 and HD or is this when I 1920AVCHD data is the transformation or even s.Television?
Gruß
Antwort von EEG:
Motion Blur is the cross of all compression algorithms: the more compression the more of it. This is synonymous to the Compression HF10/100 AVCHD camcorder. On VIMEO.COM can be impressive to see examples of this. A cat with its head moves, there is suddenly only of coarse blocks, keep it quiet, you can see every hair. Or across the street in front of the White House, because the cars hop dimly of right to left and vice versa. For everything that is not only moving slowly (camera or object), is a recording in AVCHD Cam inappropriate, and for still images is a digital camera is always the better solution. With the Canon HF11 has a CAM with one of 17 Mbit / s to 24 Mbit / s data rate increase announced. One-third more data / time for the same Resolutionsollte less compression and fewer motion artifacts mean. I'm curious to see whether the results. The tester CAMs stretch their first ever on a tripod and then measured. That one with the things' moving pictures' wishes, is not seen.
I am looking still for a Comparison of the motion artifacts of AVCHD and HDV compression, ie a HF10/100/11 Comparison with the HV30. Perhaps this is so as a suggestion.
Antwort von sahamFriend:
Hello,
many thanks for this expert response. Thus it is for me to wait on better systems.
Greetings from the north
Antwort von Daigoro:
Hello,
I had the mark of Media HF100 to test and am excited of lowLightverhalten. However, I have strong motion sharpness if I 1920datei via UleadVideoStudio to 720 for DVD conversion and then s.Television without HDready chart.
DVD can not 720p, if you mean by that and not the PAL 720x576i.
Otherwise it sounds rather as if from the conversion went something wrong when the original material looks good.
(before runterskalieren de-interlace?)
So when panning the camera and synonymous with rapid movements of the motifs (child runs through the room), I have more blurred than in my old Sonywith 400,000 pix.
If the s.der HF100 and HD or is this when I 1920AVCHD data is the transformation or even s.Television?
Shutter Speed / Shutter Speed?
It is of course synonymous s.der compression, but when you consider how most users in the small cameras to film the area by throwing, the s.ungeschickten rather than handling s.der technology.
Depending on what the Sonyist for one, have the older / heavier / bulky cameras simply by its weight to a quieter Kamerafuehrung forced.
Antwort von Jan:
I think it's almost everything I said, Daigoro is well explained.
The conversion of HD (in this case 1920x1080) in PAL is 720x576i of many programs (cheap or supplied) executed extremely modest. Zb with the supplied software - which is synonymous with Sonyso. I was violently shocked what Sonybei her directly in PAL 576i function (by SW) for a modest quality delivers.
A normal DVD to burn - is only a Notvariante. Why you take high resolution to view the film with 414,720 pixels, then back on to a DVD? I think many people it is not clear.
Blu Ray players are no longer very expensive, the user of an HD Camera & an HD Television, should be synonymous, nor the nearly ¬ 300 for a Blu Ray player to the chain have to be high. When a normal 576i PAL tube TV in the apartment (and for the next few years yet), then I understand the reason to buy a High Definition Camera not quite ....
For Bewegungsunschärfen synonymous if the film is full of quality, there are many explanations. A certain degree of fuzziness, however, is available.
Is possibly the 25 P mode? - The movement is in the picture, unfortunately, almost unusable
Where to watch s.TV possibly an old LCD Television used to watch?
This is a major user of many mistakes - unfortunately synonymous several magazines - the several cameras lubricate unterjubeln want it is not lubricating s.der recording, but s.LCD device (90%).
LCD devices of the class 50 Hz have unfortunately generally lubricating and tightening in the Picture, which you can synonymous with professional augezeichneten watching HD channels (eg in the media market at 50 Hz LCD devices) - the crystals of the LCD Television times are now, unfortunately, not for fast pans suitable.
It was only with 100 Hz LCD TVs in the area improved. Plasma TV should not have the problem, because it is a much faster response time.
I had even discover that I have in the company a Philips 46 "50 Hz Full HD Television - about 3 years ago - was a multiple winner. I have no preference whether SonySR, Panasonic HDC or Canon HF always this annoying tightening & Lubrication observed in pans.
Some time ago, the first good 100 Hz LCD Television out, as my tester the SonyKDL 40 X 3500th There was suddenly no lubrication & After pulling more to see-upps .....
My tip - in an electronics market go, go Camera, ask nicely if briefly via HDMI times the camera can be infected and test - how the devices behave.
A scrupulous camera work, I would like the AVCHD devices not deny, but the cameras do not generate extreme blurred.
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
So the motion blur when native material HF100 is already lower than it was in HDV. And runterkonvertiertes material, I would not be seen as a benchmark - for the raw material.
Antwort von Jan:
That is a peak time contribution - Wolfgang!
Nice to have a user for a comprehensive statement which takes time.
It reminds me s.Markus his favorite link.
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
What bothers you s.einer simple - and brief - statement? Is it your opinion, wrong - then sags.
With favorite links, I can not do, sorry.
Antwort von Jan:
My statement was meant positively Wolfgang!
A link (in the video forum thread AVCHD & HDV) which most users really forward, just like his former Markus "How about I play the movies properly ..." - Only that your contribution is extensive.
VG
Jan
Antwort von domain:
It really is almost everything has been said about this, but perhaps something should be mentioned.
It appears that with motion blur actually two different things, one is the normal motion blur, as synonymous with a camera, for example, with 1 / 50 sec in a swivel inside photographed, would occur and the other the typical motion artifacts from the compression process.
There is a wonderful example of the trunk for a fairly rapid swing in a very detail-rich environment: the file a01.mfx in http://www.archive.org/details/PWM_EX1 (124 MB download), where the very beautiful motion blur in the swing itself can recognize, but not typical motion artifacts, the s . that would be normal.
If this swing on the Television synonymous still appear blurred, then vote in the chain do not play.
Would of course nice if such a quality generally synonymous with HD Consumercamcordern existed.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes - that is synonymous correctly - I do not care.
My customers like to swing synonymous with the digital cameras around wildly. Unfortunately, the lights in my shop is not optimal, so that there Camera Aperture 2.8 (applies to most in the wide) and about 1 / 30 sec inside the skin - at about ISO 200-400. This surprised many, why on a swivel the environment is not "frozen" but will be blurred.
If the experts clearly that with the shutter and the movement in which only light smudges can arrive, a slightly faster shutter would be appropriate. If the camera can adjust the shutter - like all Canon Ixus models - then the gain up - so that the camera takes a faster shutter.
Many people take but the blurring Nachzieheffekt s.den & the TVs as they blur reality - that we should first clarify - what is - da hast du recht.
VG
Jan
Antwort von domain:
There is apparently synonymous with a perceptual dilemma general kind
1) If HD images come to rest, to reach a focus, the SD is not achievable, therefore a problem of relativity in the assessment.
2. If true Bewegungsunschärfen by Hutter times normal in HD are detected: a single analysis pfui, running OK Video
3) If abnormal short Shutterzeiten used:
Frame Analysis OK, running pfui video (choppy movement, Stroboskopeffekt)
Another other thing is motion artifacts and blocks formation:
in the frame analysis extremely unattractive in the current video hard to identify because these effects of Picture of Picture can change rapidly in the brain and one totalisation cross-section of multiple images is formed. Is like the Super-8-film, where in each frame film grain can see, in the current picture but no more.
Antwort von Daigoro:
What bothers you s.einer simple - and brief - statement? One should perhaps point out (and again and again) that the technique not only crucial for a good (or better) Picture is.
It must be so synonymous deal, otherwise the disappointment is inevitable.
Google came to the "first test (shots) of my new - Canon / Sony/Pana-" - it is sometimes shocking what people are doing with the parts of matter - the 10 worst Anfaengerfehler in 1.5 seconds and then se disappointed that the technique not keep their promises.
Antwort von wolfgang:
My statement was meant positively Wolfgang!
I was not clear.
A link (in the video forum thread AVCHD & HDV) which most users really forward, just like his former Markus "How about I play the movies properly ..." - Only that your contribution is extensive.
So an amount in the video forum relating to HDV & AVCHD I do not know, I read it but honestly do not synonymous with. Do you have a link?
Here gings me rather, that the title of the thread suggests that the HF100 Bewegungsunschärfen would have - the truth is that until next umgerenderten files have been sighted, and hardly more with what the original material has to do.
Antwort von reikel:
My statement was meant positively Wolfgang!
I was not clear.
A link (in the video forum thread AVCHD & HDV) which most users really forward, just like his former Markus "How about I play the movies properly ..." - Only that your contribution is extensive.
Hello Wolfgang,
Thee is already clear that Jan thought your link (just the video schludrigerweise Video Forum meeting called) and thus in your FAQ has highly praised?
It would be perhaps a little kindness on your part appropriate ;-)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Sorry, maybe I am s.berühmten hose, but I have neither perceived praise, yet I was in my perception very unfriendly. Not more than I was a little short and dry ...
... but I wanted to be synonymous not unkindly, if it has arrived.
EDIT: oh so, maybe it's just misunderstanding that I Jans submit to the posting in this thread have related, Jan but my advice says purchase (but only in the signature is, and I therefore consider this not with the comment here in any Reference've seen).
Antwort von Jan:
I Depp!
Video and Video Forum meeting place should you have to keep apart ...
Yes - I meant your preparation in the video meeting - right now ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
Understand - and I thought really, you mean my brief comment in this thread, and a link of Markus. Sorry again, so easily misunderstandings arise ....
Thank you for the flowers - I try to purchase advice halt the current developments are introduced regularly to let is now the version 3 But the developments are soo quickly that matters after almost half a year is always massively outdated. Not easy, because to keep pace - but it is time to stop this industry.
Antwort von domain:
Jan, s.deinem posting from 20.8. at 00:24 clock was probably the thing very clear ......... other comments, I will spare me better
Antwort von wolfgang:
Do the really, helmut - just as you have nothing to say?
Antwort von domain:
Well, a lot of imagination was not necessary to know what s.der Jan clarification to 0:24 if synonymous with wrong forum name really meant was, otherwise:
"The thoughts are free
who can guess?
They flee past
like nocturnal shadows.
No man can know
Hunters do not shoot
with powder and lead:
The thoughts are free! "
Antwort von wolfgang:
Nice that you have the time to see - and I did not see the car so as you stand there like, because the communication is not equal to 2 points contain clear. Actually this is so long synonymous eaten.
And thank you for your poems - that with Jan has nothing to do, but I understand your message. And me only two things in mind:
- Thoughts like duty-free, so it still has its scissors so pure
- Where the rights of the public begins to hear the freedom of individuals.
As I said, with Jan has this really nothing more to do, but only with thee and me. Did my email if you want to continue.
Antwort von raymaker:
Motion Blur is the cross of all compression algorithms: the more compression the more of it. This is synonymous to the Compression HF10/100 AVCHD camcorder. On VIMEO.COM can be impressive to see examples of this. Sorry. Opponent you here. Vimeo is for PAL users useless. The videos are always on the progressive-NTSC frame rates (even 25p/50i becomes 24p) converted. It provides almost everything that was not properly adjusted, from jerky.
Can you explain to me how some on the idea that slow shutter for movements are idiotic? And 25p is garbage? Learn these funds, but do not give meaningful free, uncommented "tips" from people upset by the thread can be found through Google.
Antwort von domain:
A secret intrigantenstadlerisches Unsubscribe by NSP, especially if the name of a third person should be covered, I do not know Wolfgang, if only publicly ;-))
Lapalie But this is nothing more bierensten word is more valuable, was just an idea and he is already forgotten .....
Incidentally, slow shutter (1 / 50) are almost a prerequisite to good movement representation in 50i and 25P for nothing more than 1 / 25 shutter, everything else is unnatural. In the frame must look blurred movements, otherwise the nix in the video itself
Antwort von raymaker:
good movement representation in 50i and 25P is nothing for about 1 / 25 shutter, everything else is unnatural. In the frame must look blurred movements, otherwise the nix in the video itself 1 / 25 I do not hear often. I have learned that most of the short shutter twice the frame rate is taken. 1 / 50 here, 1 / 48 in NTSC-land.
Antwort von domain:
True, but you already see it more as a maximum, I use even synonymous.
However, it can not be forgotten that at 1 / 100 shutter 50i as 50% of the real events is no longer covered
Antwort von wolfgang:
A secret intrigantenstadlerisches Unsubscribe by NSP, especially if the name of a third person should be covered, I do not know Wolfgang, if only publicly ;-))
I suggest neither any "Intrigantenstadel" nor a "secret Unsubscribe" before, and certainly not any "discussion" about a "third person".
That was just an open invitation that we both talk about ourselves. If you do not want me synonymous ists recht.
Antwort von Jan:
25 P?
Whether I use the function for Panasonic SD 100, Canon 100 & HS kicked HV 30 - I like the look is not correct.
When None of the big picture is running ok. My clients feel this "jerky" but with a lot of motion pictures as an effect rather negative. I am not synonymous.
In training you learn the usually 1 / 50 sec reinzuhauen, and not 1 / 25 sec to try, and if only because little movement in the picture is not higher and should be reinforced with weak light.
I think for None & moderate movement in the picture you can with the 25 P mode, which already employ - to my taste still is not - at least not the 25 P mode of the consumer cameras.
VG
Jan
Antwort von domain:
Interesting is that the film industry always all ways and tricks used to have the typical 24p bucking motion when they occur. And just today, maybe even more noticeable the typical movie Jerkiness as one of the style elements for the so-called. Look some of cinema purists so loved.
Had had both technically as synonymous financially 48p already been possible and affordable, then it would be these wishes do not exist today.
But with 50p, the discussion probably already coming to an end.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Interesting is that the film industry always all ways and tricks used to have the typical 24p bucking motion when they occur. 'm Always surprised how cleverly crafted Hollywood works.
Quite big "movies":)
If you like the trailer 24p downloading times and building for Picture watches (grad very action-packed films with good CGI - Independence Day, Hulk, Ironman, Transformers) falls on how good the whole picture is composed and focused the attention of the viewer is directed.
If eg a fast movement 'seen' to be is the main object (fluegzeug, helicopters, etc.) are very sharp and the background is almost impossible to recognize.
Conversely, if the object is a super fast to be displayed is the almost static background and the self Tiefenschaerfe seems higher, while the object is totally blurred vorbeizieht.
So have a super fast swing, a maximum of 5-10 frames long, when it's s.der Camera vorbeizieht.
Sometimes the effects are still mixed.
The can with its normal equipment and costs more to make garnicht.
