Frage von dotterbart:
dear community,
So, I now have the forum be trimmed some time (more precisely, I have intensively used the search function) and am unfortunately not found anything, so I have the freedom to take out a new forum topic. I hope I am not wrong and was looking for exactly what I'm looking for but it is already here, but if you ask just about to post the link.
So, the thing looks like this: I'm actually an ambitious spiegelreflex-fotograf. as probably the most know are damn cool cameras, which, however, one can not do what all allround-cheap-photo cameras can shoot video!
this annoys me more often. I would like to say that I really do not intend, movies with high demanding to rotate. that I photograph. but I would simply be synonymous times s.and a funny scene or something of this art in turn. But as I said: just as memorable, with no artistic or other qualifying.
I have already synonymous with sideline video cameras worked, so I know something with the matter from. and the reason that I had to leave was for me especially (in my opinion after) large expense, the filmed material to capture / Digitizer, cut, etc. and subsequently re-compress ...
summarize, then, I am looking for a camera, not with mini-dv but with hard disk or better yet, flash memory recording. I do like the compression losses (mpeg4), for the present the film with simple drag & drop to the hard to draw.
my criteria for selection are:
- Optical zoom (3x langt)
- Handiness and size (yes I wear a large spiegelreflex equipment around with me)
- Acceptable picture quality and decent sound quality
- 640x480 and 30fps it should be
- And perhaps image stabilizer, but not so important if the price is right
- Price Range: up to 200 ¬ (250 ¬)
ps: I have in my research certainly noticed this in this forum especially professionals profit with cameras operate. I am therefore well aware that so many probably nothing with my ideas can start. please I'm still like the praise and I do not have any cameras that are only 100 ¬ more expensive but much more beautiful, or am trying to mini-dv to talk about. I am a student and had no more money and I already use so much time on my photos that I had nothing with mini-dv wants to do.
thank you very much
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Then you buy but a small digital camera with 3-5 megapixels and video function. Most probably now meet your demands. Tu a 1-2 GB SD Card or Memory Stick and purely done.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
but you buy a small digital camera with video function .... That I would consider synonymous for more than a cheap camcorder in this price class and in VGA resolution Hardly more than a MP3 player with Lens is likely to occur. For example, look at Panasonic at times - especially the models DMC-FX3 DMC-FX07 or all should offer what you mind.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Rob65:
hmmmm, maybe helps you so synonymous a good video phone next.
The Nokia N93 is expected to meet your claims, your cell phone contract and wants to someday eh renewed.
Gruss
ROB
Antwort von dotterbart:
many many thanks for your quick help.
synonymous s.bernd grateful for the practical tips.
the video with the cellphone is with me, however out, because I have no contract cell phone. apart from the video quality of mobile phones are now really with those of cameras to compare? I look at my full without being too much verpixelt, I would already be happy.
now that with the photo camera with video function, I first thought synonymous. but then I have seen that there are now synonymous in a similar format camcorder with hard disk / memory card there.
I had then I thought that a photograph of camocorder can probably make better videos as a "camera, the film can." I'm on my google search of course
Aiptek rise to what in this forum yes but more an insult than a company's name is:)
we come to the point: do you really think that a cheap camera with a cheap video camcorder function is preferable?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
do you really think that a cheap camera with a cheap video camcorder function is preferable? If it's on a Comparison of Panasonic (or any other reputable brand) with Aiptek, Technaxx & Co. rausläuft, then yes - and not only of the picture quality, but the processing of synonymous ago. And I always something to overcome, the latter devices at all as a "camcorder" to describe ... ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von troy:
Yolk Hello Bart,
synonymous'm only new here in the forum, but on flash devices, I can contribute something. Had been some time, a JVC GZ-MC100 Camera. The recording is done either on Microdrive, CF card or SD card. You can use the Camera synonymous so that you clip on DF map and pics on SD card saves. At least the DF-slot (Type I + II) cope with FAT32-formatted media and can therefore be of any size can be fitted. Mass is (was) a 4GB Microdrive here. In Superfine quality fit about 60 minutes so good video to it (8.5mbit VBR). At slightly choked quality (5.5mbit VBR) is even 90 minutes. SD cards up to 2GB can be processed. For times in between certainly fast enough. I have the happiness that I have the memory card between SLR Camera and MPEG-exchange, since both are a CF slot possess. The camera records the way, in full PAL Resolutionauf, which is especially of benefit design, if your clips s.TV, or have a look on DVD / (S) VCD burn want. The device is about 1.5 x as thick as a minimally BigPack and higher. They really fit into any pocket. It has a 10x opt. 200y and digital zoom. The digital I off. When autofocus is between AF / MF switch and synonymous else you can switch between Auto mode and subject their own programs or settings. The cam has a shortcoming, however: the host stand is in my view not useful. A test in the often-described shortcoming (no import in EAM), there is now little more. With a free Windows codec works of import in the WMP and WMM. The MOD files are now synonymous of Premiere (2) (item 3) and Pinnacle Studio 10 certainly supports.
Still images in real-2MP resolution are possible, but settled in accordance with a quality middle of digicam before 3-4 years. Always My ¼300digital It makes little better pictures.
Unfortunately there is no longer new Cam (only in a webshop for 600ebbes proud euros). But on eBay are too good s.and used <1 year to ¬ 300-400 to find.
With an inexpensive, MPEG4 clippers on a permanent basis, you will most likely not be happy. It would be necessary to claim your very deep dispersed. I have begun synonymous. Above all, the noise behavior is (at least for my first MPEG4 Recorder) grottig. But the synonymous Optics deserved in most cases these names are not. Often lacks an optical zoom and focus.
I hope this helps you next.
Many greetings,
troy ®
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
640x480, 30 frames / sec and up to the card is full, no supermarket vorrausgesetzt SD card is not a problem just about every company has known for 200 ¬ so little to offer (except Olympus times and the low-priced homes).
I would then look at the Samsung, the company does it really ready for 100 ¬ a Cam (D 53 / S 500 / S 530) to produce an optical zoom / AF during the videos allowed, Must be at Sony since the T 10, Canon S 3 IS used to the 2 functions.
Stabilizer will be difficult, yes Panasonic, Nikon, the company has made almost everyone Cam an electronic stabilizer for video, Den, I would not watch alzu high. And Casios Anti Shake DSP is always increasing ISO only with the help of the piezo Dektoren, of stabilizer so you can not speak.
I'm now synonymous freund no mobile, some videos of the N 93 (concert) I was already impressed, I would have thought the next are clearly back, some digicams are still in front.
Panasonic is well 848x480/30/B/sek up card is full, like the new FX 10 ca ¬ 200, AF and optical zoom during the video does not know it, but the new Venus Engine III Processor is highly praised, it is one of the few processors, the brightness and color can be separately processed. FX 07 is certainly synonymous a good tip, the 28er wide Angleund the better screen etc (for the FX 10)
Or the Best of Germany:
Canon IXUS 60 & SonyW 50 / 55 / 70 so in your price range, although the giant Sonybei W series completely locks the zoom during video capture - Well ...
They were now all digicams, of hermaphrodites of the cameras, as Aiptek, Sanyo & Samsung Miniket I do not think so much, the majority is synonymous over 200 ¬.
The ultimate tip for Still Image / Video is the most compact Casio EX V 7, 7x optical zoom, stereo recording, MPEG 4 H 264er codec, optical zoom + AF for video, digital video stabilizer, exposure correction during the video (which has the Digicam Sowas ?) - otherwise knows the ninth in the class, as still in need abr 100er drauf ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von dotterbart:
Many thanks again for your helpful tips. The JVC GZ-MC100 sounds really good, but in any case exceed my wallet ...
and you jan, thanks for the tip with the samsung. I will look at me, but I almost fear that they Macken other rates (such as, for example restricted to film-30sec or something). at least when I look at the Samsung www.dpreview.com page, then there is no information on the quality of the videos, only the finding that the videofähig are.
I did my research on the following cameras envisaged:
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ1EG-K
(http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/panasonic/lumix_dmctz1/camera_2.html)
This camera is distinguished by its high-resolution 16:9 format (848x480) from and can still zoom in the video, even ten times. However, I am more of weitwinkeltyp than zoomtyp, so I have identified the following:
Kodak EasyShare V570
(http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/kodak/v570-review/index.shtml)
gibts used at the kodak to have for 170th may be synonymous with the zoom during filming.
at the moment I can not just decide between weitwinkel or 16:9 high resolution. The Samsung and the Canon IXUS 60, I will now in any case nochmal anschauen.
perhaps you have any comments to me of those cameras or negative anomalies, which I have not noticed?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ1 ... but I am more of weitwinkeltyp than zoomtyp Wide Zoom Angleund join not mutually exclusive, but if you the TZ1 enough Provides Wide Angle then came perhaps the two successor TZ3 and TZ2 in question? Both are also offering a 10-fold zoom, however, starts at 35mm instead of the already converted from 28mm to Focal.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, I had forgotten Kodak, the company has made several models with Excessive noise, but not rare and AF s.200 ¬ optical zoom cameras.
There is hardly a company that just 30 sec s.Stück filming. The error of the used is 99% too slow supermarket card, at least for the cameras of the last 2 years. 1% remaining are then cheap companies.
But there are some models in a special mode (Canon 320x240, 60 frames / sec), where only 1 minute is possible, or 160x120 - 3 min - but it is really rare.
Canon was able in the models of 2006 only? 1 GB s.Stück filming, so 640x480/30/B/sek - 11 minutes, which to me is not so bad, the current models like Ixus 70.75, 850 and IS 900 Ti can now synonymous as the competition to map full, if card is not too slow. It said then it was less at Canon, the Canon s.Steuervorteilen more with the limit is reached.
For Ixus 900 Ti, I came to 42 min lasting for 4 GB SDHC, 1024x768, 15/B/sek similar needs lots of space - the Battery NB 5 L was still not empty - it is so synonymous with Canon now.
Ok from 16 / 9 mode, I do not think so much, especially when the models provided a 4 / 3 sensor in it have, and which are not few. The famous example is Panasonic 16/9er LX 1 / 2, Z 1050 Casio synonymous has a 16 / 9 similar CCD.
TZ 2 & 3 are already on the field ...
Yes the Panasonic at 848x480 look good, although as I said, the sensor for nearly all models, 1 / 2, 5 "(4:3) is that with a real 16 / 9 Picture has nothing to do with like 1 / 1, 65 "CCD.
But there are good ideas as synonymous of Casio, zb Past movie (it is already in the Rec Betätigigung buffer aufgezeichet), Z 1000 / 1050 to 25 full - then what a better conversion for a DVD in 50 i mean, Nikon has among the better (eg S 7c) time-lapse videos.
Samsung has often MPEG 4, which will not be 70 / 80 MB / min such as Sony, Canon & Panasonic is about 40 MB - user friendly. Pentax has very often known s.200 ¬ DiVX codec which immediately burned directly to DVD s.Player can watch without conversion (depending on player), optical zoom or AF know in video but not nearly all.
Yes is quite confused - what is being offered ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von air:
it is not synonymous to the file format, in order to edit some clips to be able to? panasonic makes rather *. mov, right? and canon motion jpg? casio seems "venünftiges" mpeg4 incorporated. is it true that you so clearly s.besten comes when it comes to next-editing going?
gruss
michael
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
I think MPEG 4 does not necessarily cut from the large advantage of the calculator is quite nice to potter. Is synonymous yes just the compression, it can XVID, DVIX, VX, ASP codec etc to. DVIX yes when do you recognize Casio s.hintergehängten "D" - S 770 D / S 600 D. Yes little space need the MPEG 4 cameras already.
I think if the converter offered on the Internet a little familiar, you can pretty much cut everything. Long time, many models of MPEG-2 that was still a little easier. Yes the first Casios had Quicktime, which is no converter was not so easy to create a DVD, so now read some DVD Player / Recorder - Quicktime.
As I said with converters such as Virtual DUB FlasKMPEG etc and it usually comes next. If I remember, the favorite program of the Consumer (Magix) MPEG 4 does not import.
Well I rarely process Digcam films, some of my buddies make more when I have more processing theory of knowledge, less practical.
VG
Jan
Antwort von dotterbart:
Yes the Panasonic at 848x480 look good, although as I said, the sensor for nearly all models, 1 / 2, 5 "(4:3) is that with a real 16 / 9 Picture has nothing to do with like 1 / 1, 65 "CCD. I do not really understand how I imagine, that a 4:3 sensor, capable of 16:9 in a higher resolution than to drive in 4:3 ...
how this happens, I wonder, by interpolation? or why he can not then an even higher resolution in 4:3 (848x636) drive?
Antwort von Jan:
I do not synonymous All TIPE as with video cameras - anamorphic - so stretched. Or, Panasonic is now using more sensor area on video than in the past.
Can not I just say ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Hello,
I have times the manufacturers site of the proposed camera views. All cameras feature video clips with max. 640x480 pixels and 30 fps at (the new "HD format" exception). The Resolutionvon 640 x 480 pixels should not be the problem because you have a black frame around the picture and so can be set to 720 x 576 pixels comes. A bigger problem I see in the 30 frames per second. I see no possibility to 25 Fps to come.
Question:
Are there
cameras in the PAL video format (720x576, 25fps) can record? Or at least 25 Fps?
Martin
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
25 frames 640x480 I do like the Casio Z 1000.1050 or the 1080th 848x480 with 25 P, the Z 1080th
Casio has but for the Z models, only the digital zoom during the video, and no auto-focus in between only once sharp then go. The V series (7 & 8) can do, but do not have the 25 pictures.
It is indeed the 30 frames to 25 frames for the other cameras convert - the only question is how well does this affect me?
VG
Jan
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Thank you for the quick reply.
Casio has but for the Z models, only the digital zoom during the video, and no auto-focus in between only once sharp then go. The V series (7 & 8) can do, but do not have the 25 pictures. Something is always yes. ;-)
Martin
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Hello,
There are somewhere in the network sample videos of the Casio Z 1080?
Or someone that has a camera and can send me a video sequence by e-mail or upload here?
Martin
