Frage von steff517:
Hi,
I would like to see a DV editing PC for full-HD material (AVCHD) together. Processor is a Q9550. My question would be, what graphics card to s.besten suited. It must in any case, 2xDVI, because I want to connect 2 monitors. I have seen that it seems that the 8600GT supports decoding, which is certainly useful. I really want synonymous nothing to do with it, except cut films.
1. Does this hardware support synonymous with Sony Vegas or during playback of Blu-Ray such as Media Player
2. synonymous, there is a card that supports the encoding?
Gruß,
Stefan
Antwort von wolfgang:
Vegas does not use graphics cards to 1920s AVCHD faster to decode or encode, which is all about the processor.
Are you speaking of Vegas 8 Pro, it would be a sensible decision in a Blackmagic Intensity Pro to invest - because of the Vegas Pro (not Vegas Movie Studio!) An excellent preview for HD material. The 2nd Monitor must be 50 Hz but can, and would be connected via HDMI (and 50 Hz can be HDTVs, but few PC monitors).
Processor The Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550, 2.83 GHz, is certainly a good choice, I would in the PC is still very good coolers provide good RAMS and synonymous to the desire to be able to over clock. AVCHD in the 1920s is that the higher clock is already good to even better preview capabilities of the timeline for the cut to get. I myself use the 2.4 Ghz with Q6600, overclocked to 3.3 Ghz with 1920 I get the Canon HF100 AVCHD although 25 fps (synonymous with the intensity, with graphics card so that you remain synonymous with around 22-23 fps).
Even if future versions of Vegas this probably synonymous something to be improved.
Antwort von domain:
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Antwort von steff517:
Thanks for the hints, I note!
With me is to Vegas's 9 "Pro Pack" - there are seemingly more recently new. I have on my E8400 schonmal with Vegas 8 Platinum and a demo clip of the Canon HF100 probiert, which ran smoothly with about 80% processor load. Since I have the Q9550 with no worries, I hope. Then I is a favorable GraKa with 2xDVI choose.
The Canon HF100 is also grade on the way to me:-D
Gruß,
Stefan
Antwort von domain:
Then everything runs anyway super with you Stefan.
The only question is whether a color correction in 3 dimensions of a normal or synonymous cross-aperture in Vegas in AVCHD or PS, or alternatively, synonymous with the 4 tracks simultaneously in real-time compositing and without lanwieriges Vorschaurendern will expire.
And just because I start with the pleasurable Schneiden s.and not with just 25 fps without any lard
Antwort von wolfgang:
With me is to Vegas's 9 "Pro Pack" - there are seemingly more recently new. I have on my E8400 schonmal with Vegas 8 Platinum and a demo clip of the Canon HF100 probiert, which ran smoothly with about 80% processor load.
There is no "Vegas 9 Pro Pack" - there's only Vegas Pro 8b, that would be the more expensive professional version, and it's Vegas Movie Studio 9 Platinum - the consumer version, but synonymous HDV and AVCHD can.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudiope
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro
With the Canon HF100 can both bypass
What did you really stand? Only the Pro version can be used with some of the Intensity to work together - the Movie Studio Platinum is just about the graphics card. And the simple version of Movie Studio can not accept that, no no HDV and AVCHD.
Currently running the PC under XP for safety's sake, if it goes - Movie Studio 9 Platinum has the Rausrendern of AVC 1920x1080 50i material to be a problem if you work under Vista (but not under XP).
Since I have the Q9550 with no worries, I hope. Then I is a favorable GraKa with 2xDVI choose.
A normal DV editing you can with this system operate well, the cuts, simple crossfades, vielleicht mal title, time a color correction and similar needs. I cut out for me perfectly simple classic videos without any Vorrendern on a Q6600.
AVCHD is basically difficult to edit, 4 tracks simultaneously in Composition you need but in the practice of the home user never Practical. That would be more compositing specialists, promotional materials and massive cuts to falsify - and works hard with HF100er material. Insoferne want you here baseless domain only unsettle.
Antwort von domain:
Insoferne want you here baseless domain only unsettle.
Sebstverständlich I would like with as many arguments, unsettle and thoughtfully participate in the present miserable situation of AVCHD.
However I have always said that what we here in 6-18 months will be discussing again what else can be.
But it makes no sense to potential users, something very poor as something very useful to try to persuade, which is with a pure increase in the PC Power at AVCHD is probably not done.
As does any illusions None added, there will be a total rethinking of the NLE program itself must be, otherwise it will not run and is not synonymous in the next 3 years, or it is special or specific already De-/Encoderchips of Intel and Microsoft plans software and hardware solutions on the motherboard type.
Then it looks in any case being made and this is our speech and our thoughts in the coming months, probably synonymous sustainable change
Antwort von wolfgang:
No need for its entry-level home videos 4 streams with extensive compositing and color, as you get the fantasy. That is not even with HDV in real time - so you can Q6600 approximately 5-7 HDV traces from Vegas without filter in real time from the timeline to play in 1920 AVCHD is only one.
Only one lane may already be quite sufficient - and in Movie Studio 9 were realtime capabilities already improved somewhat. Do I need to cut its just hard cuts, fades occasionally, here and there a title, or times isolated color or one or the other effect - so it goes perfectly with native AVCHD material targeted with the software here and the proposed processor.
Do we need more s.Echtzeitfähigkeit the cut, then the path leads through intermediates - a file to which it renders to the machinability easier. That is, if you need it depends on the details of the average situation, and thus very much on the target audience. An advertising Cutter, the massive compositing needs to make its movies to cut advertising, there is probably in a very different situation, as a beginner, his home videos of the cut will.
I do wonder what you, the entrants in the various forums have done that with you again and again these things are not adequately reflected auftischt - by targeting the things you never adequately explain. For the beginner, this condensed information due to lack of experience does not adequately reflect. And should you even believe it, he is the only affecting your disinformation deliberately shortened.
Even more detail is in the purchase advice - link below.
Antwort von motiongroup:
@ Domain and Wolfgang ... slowly becomes a discussion Strache vs Haider totally superfluous. SORRY
Likewise, I would like to Einmonatsperre of synonymous Domain note ....
Antwort von domain:
Here we have freedom of expression and because I have numerous reports that I've just tried the back of the
current situation without lengthy technical explanations together.
Obviously you can now natively Beginner's cut and clip on his video together. But does it not even as good as in Womble, nevertheless the perfect smart rendering mpeg2 dominated.
And that is what many amateurs s.der proactive steps to limit cutting probably synonymous, namely that their original files in a completely unverändeter quality can be played off.
Request for correction if any NLE already smart rendering AVCHD dominates, may be that I am wrong.
If this is not the case, any case with a visible deterioration of the original material to compute, for example, come to the already fairly lossy AVCHD yet further loss of or re-compressed format and add it but it looks really clear.
Antwort von motiongroup:
I do not need to tell I know the way or only synonymous I can read between the lines and because I know you both have long been aware of the Wolfgang even what people in the background as everything is still a question, I've synonymous s.euch addressed both my written opinion.
MFG Mpeg2HD the USER
Antwort von wolfgang:
And that is what many amateurs s.der proactive steps to limit cutting probably synonymous, namely that their original files in a completely unverändeter quality can be played off.
Neither AVC still mpeg2 is played off of the unmodified material, where filter, color or other effects on it are. There must always be rendered, whether in AVC or mpeg2. Since the synonymous helps Smartrendern little - this is no different.
But it helps only half as good encoder to render losses will be minimized - and today they are better cut in the programs.
If this is not the case, any case with a visible deterioration of the original material to compute, for example, come to the already fairly lossy AVCHD yet further loss of or re-compressed format and add it but it looks really clear. Where is the evidence for this assertion that we always optical visible deterioration and under all circumstances would be? Renders to 1920 to 1920 AVC mpeg2 in Vegas, in this case was, then render the optical loss is hardly visible. The new AVC-1920 encoder is still too untested to now say that.
Womble made in mpeg2-the way, an enormous amount of material errors in, even if there were previously no. At least the versions that are below the market Easymovie names have been published have smartgerenderten material left behind by mistake.
I'm sorry, but who really matters and look at tests, may be synonymous even watch. If he really wants.
Antwort von domain:
I have no image at Womble errors, except for the mpeg2 encoder was quite a crap if you time a color correction, etc. wanted to make. But the passing of the original files with Smart Rendering went very quickly and easily in front of him.
A question arises naturally already present: when the Comparison of WoWu in AVCHD rather than to "crutch" made out to the old-fashioned mpeg2 is still the best format for AVCHD is why you will not be provisionally in mpeg2 during the recording?
So much space saving offers AVCHD now synonymous not just back, they would be significant.
And please remember, I always speak of the current situation. That eventually everything will be good, hopefully this is probably to be expected.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Vegas has, in my view a great advantage, it does consistently to support the GPU, probably for quality reasons and for fear that even the DX10 standard interface soon unaktuell could be. This can be either with the quality (if I understand this is not about any compositing effects on DX or OpenGL real-time to calculate, but the video stream speed) with DX10 still have to do.
DX10 is a possibility s.die hardware acceleration, not the only one.
Either they do not come into the pots with the development, or Intel's market power is too big, as big as the one developer wants to risk $ 500 to make unnecessary CPUs by dividing the load at 30 euros GPUs (where Intel's solution in comparison to Nvidia and ATI off fairly weak) redistributed.
Intel werkelt yes s.ihrer own "HD video graphics card and wants 16-1xx-down Pentiums in ne GPU pack. Sounds interesting indeed first but somehow synonymous daft.
Oh yes - for uspruenlichen topic - some ne NVidia 8500 or ATI 4650 - s.besten passive cooling - of more benefit you in the moment and not always when the support (or Intel's new server GPU) anrollt times will be new again eh have to invest.
Antwort von wolfgang:
I have wombel mainly used for material of SAT records of advertising for free. I can only say that I always get different image artifacts, which in the original material were not inside. And not when Neurendern, but when Smartrendern. In some cases, the video was part synonymous significantly shorter than the audio portion. Again and again I had the material, which I clean in Edius could handle, but not with wombel. And if the synonymous part is extremely fast when Smartrendern was, but the various image defects have made it rather useless for me to do so.
I can understand why mepg2 HD format as for the rendering of the video cut is more suitable, you can probably gegenwäritg only way to answer that the state of development of mpeg2 encoder significantly mature than today's AVC encoder. We have seen in tests with both CS3, Pinnacle Studio or Vegas seen that the AVC encoder in these cutting programs have delivered a worse performance when HDV HDV material to render once, and then another time to AVC renders.
This is a purely practical and empirical findings, the better for newer encoders can be synonymous or different, if one of 1920's AVC-based material and renders to AVC 1920, and when next developed AVC encoder is used.
Potential theory must stop always synonymous only be lifted. How good are the tools themselves, which can be the material with his picture and easy test to evaluate for themselves.
Especially for Blu Ray hardly go to memory savings, but once again a point is why there is no preference as to whether I AVC or mpeg2 based author Blu Rays.
