Frage von Kerstin_28:
Hello together,
my question is certainly sweeping difficult to answer. Maybe have a few professionals a directive for me.
We have always turned in order for various TV stations. (Documentaries, features, etc)
Now I have until Wednesday, but a customer from the free economy with a price for a two-hour documentary making.
Unfortunately I have no idea of prices in the free economy.
The following information I have:
Edition - a DVD in SD. (no HD)
Camera crew: camera woman and Tonmann.
Accompanied be the last construction phase of a ship in dock.
We have DVCAM or DVC PRO 50th
He wants a two-hour DVD. Just cut and sound without speakers. (probably want to own kommentieren)
Maybe a few more O-Tones. (Editors, we have)
Für nen Sender, we would take at least 20000 euros.
But what can you be in favor of the free economy get?
Especially with the idea of the customer due to price does not deter other future projects.
About a rough guide line, I would be very grateful.
Liebe Grüße
Kerstin
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... my question is surely difficult to answer a lump sum ... This I see as synonymous, because the calculation is more important than the Endlänge of the film is the effort - and the two can be used for a DVD of almost two hours to infinity lie. I would therefore place s.deiner first time to worry how long it will be underway.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Documentary, reportage? What now?
Rotation period? Prior to search? Without soundtrack? Really?
Antwort von Kerstin_28:
I agree completely.
I'm afraid the client interested in the price rather than the effort.
Well exactly the effort I still can not plan.
I think at least 1 week rotation period and at least 7-10 Schnittage.
Regards
Kerstin
Antwort von Kerstin_28:
Vorrecherche does not. We will then immediately begin yes.
I think it's working on a documentary out, and the customer simply wants the construction of a camera team (EB Team) accompanying them. Rotation time, there is no fixed. It only needs to be ready in December (including editing) and may not be too expensive to be synonymous because other firms will submit bids. And that is rather what the category of wedding film. Nothing against the division, but in my experience it is often very effective Lowbudgetangebote.
Sound yes, O-Situative tones and sounds but no speaker. Hm, well, want to stop it.
Gruß Kerstin
Antwort von LASTG3N:
Wow, I never thought that one up to 20000 ¬ can get. Can I once issues for which your transmitter is working, I often see a few documentaries s.and hire synonymous, I have already seen your ...
As for me, however, would be interested in:
Is it not that cut and soundtrack (speaker) must be coordinated?
So bad that one of cost can speak, when the sky is visible.
I've not much idea, but I hope someone can answer me as friendly.
Antwort von Kerstin_28:
One must remember that we are for a channel (ARD, ARTE, 3SAT, BBC etc) with a rotating gear, the good and happy times a Einfamilienaus cost. (at least if you get everything, camera, optics, sound, lighting, vehicle, office, Macs, software etc count). That does not leave much money left. Also do not always get as much money. The everyday business of the broadcasters do not raise much more from.
Yet I fear that for such a job in the private sector receives only a fraction. Or have I got this wrong?
Antwort von tommyb:
Make a calculation based on the rotation days. To do this you should first ask your customers. Without costing is pretty much did nothing.
And if you've calculated your costs, rackets you 20-30% on top as profit.
Costing you today s.der vocational school as a media designer and so it is not difficult. Spontaneous reminds me of the following:
- Turned days
- Equipment (rent, own)
- Accommodation
- Expenses
- Cut Length
- External co-workers?
Who else makes you so in the calculation? If your broadcasters offer your prices, then your work but not synonymous of hand to mouth, right?
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
Hi Kerstin,
but ask the client to his maximum budget for this Project. He should at least specify how long (days) these 'Endbauphase "lasts. Then you can start the spin-and post-days of calculations and ready.
But if it comes down "... you can just come with Camera, the crane is ready now ..." synonymous quickly it can swivel 30 days. Then you will come synonymous with ¬ 20,000 and not lay on it.
Perhaps the customer has no idea synonymous what something costs (building 2Std. Film / Doc ... what ever he wants synonymous).
So ask him about the budget, and if there is anything completely (something others do as a hobby for 3,000 ¬) you can as a professional already costing save.
So: Welcome to the club.
Jürgen F.
PS. What is it with the rights. If you click DVC50/16: 9 rotate, the material is perhaps for your "home channel" interesting. Then you can calculate different / Rotate.
Antwort von Kerstin_28:
hitherto always been my colleague made the calculations. Because he is just unattainable abroad is, I must now ran.
I know what one of our filming days and days for the mail sender costs. Then I will probably work.
Sure, for 3000-4000 sowas can not turn professional. Unless I watch half an hour ne ne excavator shovel, etc.
The idea with the rights, I must clarify again. Assuming one of our broadcasters that has interest.
LG
Kerstin
Antwort von PowerMac:
Personally, I would leave. How can you please make a movie if you have no off-the text to create? The cut is aimed but afterwards.
The expect a nonsense for a few thousand euros. And the job will get any cheaper wedding film.
Antwort von tommyb:
I think you have 2 options:
1. The retail price a market call (ie 20.000, -) for your order to cover costs.
2. A dumping the cost of the wedding film to annoy, but interns must adjust to the cause, because no professional price for a wedding filmmaker working. And if it goes wrong, then the customer pays and no one has paid it, but at least not so much.
Oh and vieeeel time for schedule changes. For two hours the customer is certainly schönde so many things he would prefer.
I also advise them, so long as the costs are not clear.
Antwort von High_Tension:
Regardless of what you imagine as a daily rate (which must be every man for himself out), I advise them from a Fixangebot to make. You can use that nasty fall on the foot if the client then begins here and there around to mäkeln and as a meeting again and again as a cut to demand picture.
I always act so that I am a directive indicates the expected rotation period and includes cutting, with an explicit statement that additional days (for what always synonymous incur) additional cost synonymous.
I once happened to me as a customer on the nose stupid dancing around is because I was too naive, those same words in the contract purely to write. That is just a tip of a burned child;)
Bzgl the wedding film, I would forward an escape attempt, ie, your references to him in front of the nose and hold synonymous openly say that he gets quality when he gives you the job.
My experience is, especially for an amateur, which he obviously is, the explicit mention of potential competitors often just a ruse for the price of the first button. And if he actually NEN wedding filmmakers in place of the contract for 3000 ¬ discharged haste eh nix lost up to a cost estimate.
Regards
Max
Antwort von veejay:
Hi,
I think, you know your limits of pain in the daily rates.
I would in a normal conversation, the daily rates call and then wait for the response. Great calculations synonymous cost a lot of time.
In addition, the customer knows what he is doing with two hours?
Many have just nerves for 10-20 minutes, but are synonymous because very satisfied.
Many greetings
Antwort von bArtMan:
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Antwort von Kerstin_28:
You did right. I / We can and we do not want with the prices of any wedding or amateur filmmakers fairs. Nothing against the evil. But we work just now with equipment and other things completely different references.
The problem with its fixed fee synonymous, I see one. Alternatively, one can at a fixed price in the offer set dadrin what is included. Anything more is (new ideas, several corrections, etc), it costs more then synonymous.
Two hours, I see as synonymous to a very long time. Meanwhile, I was able to him an hour of convincing. For the free economy, I would rather what to max. Recommend 10-15 minutes but naja ....
What the speaker is concerned. Without OFF spokesman of course it is already. A good TV-Doku is a story so synonymous with pure O-tones and shades situational tell.
LG Kerstin
Antwort von PowerMac:
But what is very rare and with proper documentation, rather than with features found on the (boring?) Construction of a ship.
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
Hi Kerstin,
reports look what happened to the Project / Contract has become.
How did you or the customer decided.
Jürgen F.
Antwort von TomStg:
It's been a very strange view that the equipment used should determine the price. The quality of the result would be more appropriate. Also it seems to me the question after the price of expression to put that same work in a free enterprise should pay more than one transmitter. Conversely, it would ensure the right approach. Because the company is fundamentally sound, the decisive role. For public broadcasters is economical rather insignificant.
Just curious to find the notice, the first company to ask what their price limit is. This is not just naive, but synonymous dishonest. Every client in the economy will require the contractor / vendor an offer. And when he decides a number of offers for the best in his view - after careful consideration of quality and scope of services to its requirements.
These are normal processes. Why should occur in a film documentary / reportage otherwise? Why should this matter to the business risk of the contractor with his tender, the contract not to preserve, according to other aspects than those mentioned above. run?
Tom
Antwort von KrischanDO:
...
But what can you be in favor of the free economy get?
Especially with the idea of the customer due to price does not deter other future projects .... Daily rates of rotation x needs (announcement of the customer) +
Daily rate cut, possibly soundtrack +
Charges
= Total price. If there are really many days, the daily rate rabbatieren, but regulate s.wievielen days. Otherwise, 30 days to be confirmed, it leaves the pants down, then add 5 posted, but please how to set for 30 days. Nee nee.
If the customer the price with reference to the press wants to follow orders, either to go home, because that is the beginning of the muck will be, or offer the discount in subsequent contracts subtracted.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von Kerstin_28:
We have solved it as follows. We charge our normal daily rates for filming and editing. If there are a lot of rotation there is discount. This is graded. From 10, there will be a little cheaper, p.15 more per day, etc.
We have a certain length are calculated. Should there be of the client side, but more effort will be (new requests etc), it takes longer and costs halt then more.
Other costs (music, speakers, etc) are of course synonymous appropriation.
That there should be no spokesperson was a misunderstanding. So why not with.
Grüße Kerstin.
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
Kerstin,
nice that it went well.
Good luck.
Jürgen F.
Antwort von Kerstin_28:
Oja Thanks.
It is a big challenge but synonymous and makes a lot of fun.
There are worse jobs than movies :-))
Kerstin
