Frage von craholt:
Welcome,
I've never had a camera, and therefore not a lot of experience and general knowledge, and would ask for a purchase advice if I may:)
Joa I want a cam mostly for home movies as a hobby, but it should of course be very powerful. The synonymous words for Outdoor Action and be fit to be synonymous versatile. I want it to get along with Adobe Premiere Pro as the editing program s.besten and should be suitable. In the later case, I would like to spend synonymous videos in Youtube.
Yes .. the price there have no idea what the real concerns ... I am thinking / hoping for 600 ¬, there are sharp Cams? Or rich 350 ka ^ ^
At jedenfall 600 ¬ totall my pain threshold is so much blah, I then need not be synonymous.
I have already looked at some Prosekte etc. and something durchgeschmökert, am very haglich because price and performance ratio must match exactly for me.
I think the producers at the Canon and Sonydie leaders are?
What do you think is better? (; or forget the issue)
Yes, I want the following:
- Good audio
- HD, of course,
- Good quality, not a jerk at fast motion
- Memory: medium or low
- Design: no superscript model, nu appearance does not matter to me
- Built-in camera flash
mhh I can not give more details eg, the audio I do not know what's better for my purpose is (; Stere, mono, surround), all this stuff, or in video format, it should stop with Premiere (good work, think
AVCHD / MPEG-2 / H.263 will be there)
Another I forgot to mention I am synonymous note must be something if I want to import eg of the Cam and a DVD in Adobe Premiere whether the work anyway ... just in the edge
Had seen through at sowas alaTest.s.etwas and smiles at me all right:
Canon HG20, Canon HF20
Panasonic HDC-SD20
SonyHDR UX20
Panasonic HDC TM 20
SonyHDR-XR200V
SDR Canon FS22
Would such a rich or the poor here? Or is in effect, a cheaper camcorder
Thanks
I would be happy to answers and discussions
With best regards
Antwort von Pillermännchen:
You will get exactly as many different opinions to your questions as answers.
For your knowledge, you simply buy any of those you've listed the movies and then around it, especially until you know what you want and can.
Then there is the question of the right camera for you.
You can then us the answer but we do not, and Gov.
Everything else is cut with a heavy beating on an empty sack.
Jens
Antwort von darg:
'Shall you once aware, whether it be HD or SD. You mix in the list of your SD and HD Cams. No knowledge is one thing, nothing at all to knowledge and then expect a meeting of about zero to 100 is a bit difficult.
Antwort von craholt:
It's all clear to me.
to HDD or SD good question which I can not answer both have their pre-u. disadvantages when it hdd format easily in pp then it would be going okay.
But thank you, I must make myself smart.
And I'm sorry.
If I have questions I'll post more detail
thanks
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Thus
SD = 720x576
HDV = 1440 x1080
HD = 1920x1080
They are currently available resolutions
HD AVCHD which is currently usually takes much CPU
HDD = hard disks
= SD Memory Card
MiniDV cassette =
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Cams are hard disks in my eyes no choice
Memory increasingly coming onto the market and will probably replace the aka tape cassette.
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I'd go for Canon HV 30 or Canon HF 100th
See here http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/00_02.html times since Wolfgang has been testing really well.
These two cameras are priced in your search box.
www.geizhals.s.mal schaun and in AT ddort or D look where they Cams sgünstigsten currently exist.
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To then come again at about 150 - 200 euros for a good start Tripod - 20 - 50 for UV filter, and 20 - 50 Euro for a good pocket.
In addition, recommended 2 to 3 Batteries s.besten replicas from / of Ebay, and perhaps an extra, Microphone of Rhode example ....
With this you can Equitment years working very well and especially Tripod and bag and Micro can be synonymous with the later models still use.
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And so now you can watch it all and let me think in peace.
Small tip for example, HV 20 or HV 30 appear here or on Ebay every now and again as used in cameras - there are then usually filter and bag and extra Batteries included with the offer.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von craholt:
durchgegoogelt have something a little more confused than before, and yes, thank you for your post b.deKidIst
what did you vorgesclagen my Canon HV 30, I have looked at me later:)
Is it sooo bad if I do not have HDMI?
Have the Lenovo Thinkpad T500 and at the dissolution, 16:10, 1680x1050 WSXGA TFT and Firewire, plus several other interfaces.
And HDV would not play well because of the resolution of my notebooks, so I think is HD or SD format as the right one for me. keineall or plays too large a role?
May I assure myself something to the theory?
Let us now pass from the Memory of 3 selections, I (; minidv, hdd, sd)
When it is easy and flexible it will be able to transport to my hard drive, hdd and s.sinnvollsten sounds easier (for me, always dragging my noteboook with) I need only infect the laptop with (; Firwire, vga, dvi), would be horny it would have been if the cam usb interface.
with SD card, I do not know how that works right through the card slot is not it?
Minidv to be quite good as it saves sowas s.schnellsten and easiest on the Fstplatte?. What now has the better quality sd or hdd?
There are indeed 3 (; no more) of storage format or video format / video output -.-
(; DV, mpeg, hdv ,...) which determines the resolution?
mpeg requires enormous storage, HDV does not meet our standards, DV sounds better.
video format in which I would AVCHD / H.264 prefer to DV.
I already took care that it works with pp
zum Bild guess that does not matter anyway ....
I'm sorry if I do not understand myself gelabert difficult ...
to Canon HV 30
hum:) wow super device for usb but not firewire, but I have 3 questions.
- Will I eh have no problems with the HDV format because of my notebook resolution?
- Video format is mpeg, it works quite certain problems with pp cs4?
- To MiniDV sry for the question, does the cam everything on the cassette, or you can connect through a cable with noteboook and save the video file?
indeed, the various foreign words to make me create, may be the wrong I've expressed.
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Antwort von B.DeKid:
HuhiHuhiHuhi old Swede ... ;-)
Now, however, have a lot of confusion .....;-) geschmissen
Thus
regarding your lap and the dissolution
So if you look up again what I had written concerning whether resolution, then yes you will see the HD has more pixels than HDV, right? -)
But do not worry, the player will then adjust the picture anyway, and therefore it is actually erstmal no preference.
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The HV30's Firewire, of course ... because yes, the material must somehow come of the tape to the computer ... this is called capture and that happens when you tape ALWAYS Cams with Firewire. This, however, always synonymous 1:1 say - 1 hour of video takes 1 hour to transfer (on the calculator, no matter whether it be SD or HDV models)
But the advantage is synonymous Cams with tape so the material on tape to save after I edit it (the final product; movies) back to a synonymous (; new) tape store ... so you have saved the first draft and the final times already / saved for eternity - the cartridges are so cheap sau synonymous an advantage ;-)
Only Cams with SD or HDD (; memory card or hard drive) can transfer data via USB to the Calculator.
While this is quick but once the format of compute and secondly, the data are backed up so not really like it on tape is the case.
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Many cams have USB (; synonymous, the SD and HDV tape device) and transmitted over it but not the only PHOTOS VIDEOS!
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You will be able to handle all formats with PP only stop at HD (; AVHCD), the calculator should work a lot and it really needed to be reconditioned Calculator to work fluently.
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Conclusion HDV HV30 should be the right one for you.
Hundreds of happy users suggest.
Should you still be the m # Meihnung the HDV is nothing for you and handle your calculator to get baked Of the HF100 AVCHD ... then stop.
But since you're pretty fresh as far as the editing of videos I recommend a cam with tape media so maybe in 2 years is still synonymous convenient access to videos for you with new skills learned are cutting it together.
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So I hope you now have something more to Durchblick and further questions, please ask all quiet here, but there are Slashcam ;-)
Alla until then
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: If you then time in HD (, V) have videos ready and want to burn them to DVD ... then the SUPER quality, so do not worry ;-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... HD = 1920x1080 ... For 1920x1080, the term "FullHD naturalized. "HD" is however, no particular format, but the generic term for all high definition formats.
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hello
I wonder how you with your basic right with Premiere Pro
want to get along? I guess if there was reasonable will come out, work your way slowly, step by step into the matter, video films have, one, then you will enjoy long-term s.Hobby.
,, The best camcorder, there are unfortunately not, it all depends on what you want to do with them. A tip: HDV is a fine thing! Than
Newcomer, but are you serving with more mini-DV, it is in a post not so difficult as you each picture is available - no GOP, s like HDV - the calculator you will thank s.
For the image quality just as much: even today of the stations still SD material is used, if there is sufficient synonymous you should be able to live with it.
Let yourself of all the HDV hooey not crazy.
So, have fun shooting!
Bodo
Antwort von craholt:
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Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Mini-DV impressed me unfortunately. (Too many disadvantages; drive noises) ... this capture is indeed a joke: D Have not much time to fritter away ... About the time lost by capturing one can be divided, since you do not have to sit next to it, but if that would actually be for you a knock-out criterion, is not synonymous HDV camcorder like the HV30 into question: yes These devices have also drives that are characterized transferred to MiniDV tapes to and "just" in real time.
... Disseminated Hd, SD or HDV is basically sausages ... HD halt s.meisten hdv will still be better? ... Then a second time a statement prior to you purely because of incorrect terms confuse themselves even next: HD is not a separate format, but the generic term for all high definition formats including HDV, AVCHD, and what else is everything there.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Then s.einer Canon HF100 is no way around it.
For a HDD camcorder (, so on the hard drive takes up) the drive makes synonymous minimal noise.
The HF100 is so synonymous in fact seen as a successor to the HV30.
Then we've got a favorite or now?
HF100
Resolution "full" HD = 1920x1080
Medium = card
AVCHD codec =
virtually the newest and best thing on the market.
Memory card can be placed directly from the camera via USB without the calculator is transmitted ... Daue only a few seconds.
Premiere can edit the files.
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MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hallöschen
All right, that you're a perfectionist. Just because you're right, it is necessary to purchase some of the considerations. Look at yourself once in the forum, meeting point video com, to. Since most of the contributions of Wolfgang (; purchase advice, format issues) and when, trunk. Since you'll get right, light, made the talk to know, of what they are! By the way, drive noise while gibts Memory card - cams not sure but can the zoom - to make engine noise. You see, there are problems everywhere. Think synonymous s.das Archvie, especially if you, as you write 2 hours s.Tag are capturing. There's nothing going on, s cheap tape! I film since 1993 and has never had the often-invoked, Volume salad had. Think drann, not all, new, and is synonymous better! If you still counting on the time, which you might for transcoding the AVCHD - data of the card will need ....
Bodo
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Sorry ne more question ....
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/t-series/t500
Lap of those whom you have?
And with the processor, it is somewhat difficult, but with AVHCD
The processor may be a skilled worker here burteilen better perhaps.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von darg:
I time it would not so much knowledge at your ride on the codecs around, but think of something practical. There are some small Nebensaehclichkeiten that one should not overlooked:
HDDs are not very stable. The plates in the cams already taking lumps very badly. At the beginning is like this from Disk Management, but eventually those things are dead, say the space is getting smaller, which is on the empty plate still available. In addition, there are small 1.5Zoll Most data Toshibaplatte known little of the Sony notebooks, which are extremely susceptible to error.
HDV has the disadvantage of capture in real time, but it is the cheapest medium and s.einfachsten archived.
SDHC cards do not make any noise, but go with AVCHD where your calculator, it would only have to fight and play, no question here of editing time.
In terms of image quality between a DU will HV20/30/40 and the newer generation of Canon HF series will see little difference in terms of the resolution. Time you read into things like Pixelverhaeltnisse and then next, then you will find that HDV is not really worse than Full HD (; not yet!).
4:3 is dead, synonymous on Youtube, which should be known by now, so forget it. There really is no pure 4:3 Cams synonymous s.Markt more.
In terms of processing is of course SD material s.einfachsten by MPEG HDD is not really super. Since it is the old standard of these will die before HDV, because there are no more devices that would only make the small Aufloesung.
AVCHD is a very demanding format for processing, because it is very heavily compressed, and for each processing is first unwrapped and then packed again is the Calculator. Without dual core 3GHz or better with at least 2.8GHz Quad with no chance for process liquid.
HDV is MPEG2 at the moment and pretty easy to edit with a dual-core 2.6GHz without much color correction, if it gets a little complicated brauchts 3.0GHz or more times already. Quads are always superior.
I would be first time in more cases capture and small beginnings, the beginning and skip it brings you nothing and you can only lose. Watch your equipment in good, so what can your calculator. Find source clips in the INet and try to edit the first time and look at whether and how it works.
Antwort von craholt:
@ B. DeKid
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Antwort von craholt:
Hi have read some information but not quite into the detail, and never found such a right step by step introduction are always little things confuse me with me.
And thank you for your contributions, but still would like the next person.
I'll go more to the practical theory that I want to understand before we can analyze. If I have understood it at last I know
myself precisely what I want, so I summarize views:
From Memory is the question of tape or Tapeless both has its pros and cons. Either floats my SD (memory cards, tape-free () or DVCAM; band before), so HDD is omitted because it is prone to errors and it is amusing but if storage is reversible.
The camcorder on the tape recording (; ie mini DV) are analog, and digital memory card cams.
How übeträgt read and understood the loss duch miniDV firewire
captured in real time and therefore is better to be edited (ie, on average; Question: Is it then records in mpeg2 on how much mbit / s it has, how much sinds in 1 hour?)
But DV is not supported (HD, according to wiki)
For tapeless cams stop everything goes faster, but the record is highly compressed.
For the format, I'm still a little confused there, the analog format (; Pal, HD, HDV, SD) plays not as important as the: Video Recording Format = Format and here I have to watch closely.
When recording a compression is done on the disk.
Yes, MPEG2 (; HDV) is s.qualitativsten therefore takes more space than the AVCHD codec takes the MPEG4/H.264 more compressed and therefore is more difficult (to play on the calculator, according to wikipedia, the quality is the same as mpeg2, but the I do not think).
Could I be that I have now talked quite mist and placed with certainty what confused -.- I fear Memory, video format, recording format comes out again same oO
For DV and HDV only the resolution is the difference.
What is DV format now?
I have my own principles made me hope that someone mend when I wrote that wrong when I finally had überiissen then I'm happy:)
- An HDV Cam is based only on mpeg2 and not avchd
- HD cam is just the generic term and can save to mpeg2 or avchd
- The SonyHDR-HC1E http://www.sony.at/product/hdd-hdv/hdr-hc1e#pageType=Overview has HDV - and DV recording mode, what does that mean exactly? Is there now the difference in resolution or format?
- Can and band to be tapeless HDV cams.
- The DV format has no cam saves to HDD or SD.
- The HF100 is avchd but they can turn to stream mpeg2, all can camcorders?
'm thinking forget anything idiotic questions can be there just want to make sure me and yet again, had 2 days ago levels 0 Ahung before had. ^ ^
I realize that I want to record high so I do not trust AVCHD. Also wenns so beautiful that it needs little memory ... In the end it goes back to quality. The cam should need little mbit but in mpeg2 recording ^ ^ Favourit is SDHC with HDV (; mpeg2)
The ultimatum would be a camcorder with tape, the SDHC but synonymous, I can give schau mal ^ ^
Best regards
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... The camcorder to tape record (; ie mini DV) are analog, and digital memory card cams ... No, recording to MiniDV is the same as those found on digital memory card, hard drive or DVD.
... there is an analog format (; Pal, HD, HDV, SD) ... Just forget the analog area: In addition to what you envision here, it's all about the digital world - no preference whether SD or HD.
... With DV and HDV is only the resolution of the difference ... Not only synonymous but the nature and strength of the compression. With DV each picture is relatively small compressed HDV always have multiple images across a correspondingly stronger in order to get in the end the same amount of data, which then landed on the tape.
... What is DV format now? ... In Europe, the PAL SD resolution of 720x576 pixels.
... A HDV Cam is based only on mpeg2 and not avchd ... True: HDV is MPEG2, AVCHD is MPEG4.
HD Cam ... is the umbrella term and can save to mpeg2 or avchd ... Say rather "HD camcorder", because if one's strictly speaking, HDCAM is again a different format, which plays in the amateur level, but no role.
... HDR-HC1 HDV ... has - and DV recording mode, what does that mean exactly? ... The fact that the camera (either in standard definition, (DV) or high resolution, can record HDV), or could.
... HDV and band to be tapeless cams ... HDV of the definition, always recorded on tape. But: There are a couple of camcorders, the de facto synonymous HDV on hard drive (; at JVC) or memory card; (with Sony, but take far outside your budget).
... DV format has no cam saves to HDD or SD ... Right.
... I realize that I want to record high so I do not trust AVCHD ... AVCHD is more demanding s.den Calculator at the post-processing, qualitatively it does not need to hide, but in principle. "In principle" because the individual Manufacturer or AVCHD cameras, the theoretical possibilities of exploiting different.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
And so we're back in the HV 30 ;-))
On the tape are still no preference whether HDV or SD at about 13GB a 1 hr.
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HDV is (in my eyes for you more than enough, I myself work (; private) nor with SD)
HDV grabs your calculator and brings on DVD runtergerechnet better results than SD cams.
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I recommend to go once (in the next electronics store, Saturn, Media Markt, or the same) and once there, take the cameras in hand - so you can make locally is another Picture.
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Hats off - did not leave you in the last few days so browbeaten and learned about this - we come closer to the subject matter, therefore.
Weiter so!
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von craholt:
Bernd E. super sweet of you to thank for the quick reply, now I am much more clear. Thank you all
I recommend to go once (in the next electronics store, Saturn, Media Markt, or the same) and once there, take the cameras in hand - so you can make locally is another Picture. - JO ;-) plan already in practice can not be missed
Good night
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Jo do that and let hear what was going on
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: Good tip regarding the missing files in PP - Welcome Slashcam ;-)
