Frage von Philipp:
Hello,
I work with the following configuration:
Windows 2000
AMD Athlon XP 2000 +
Adobe Premiere 4.2 LE
Miro DC30 - by Drivers of mirosupport.de (allegedly) Miro DC30 PLUS
My problem is that I am an approximately 20 minute video in full PAL resolution Sliced And I want to render now. However, my PC is required for approximately 15 hours. This seems to me far too much. Does anybody know how I can optimize the rendering time?
MiroInstant not work for me not, I always get the error message that my hardware does not support miroInstant ... Have I made maybe a mistake in the installation of the capture card?
Thank you for your help
Philip
Antwort von Markus:
Hello Philip,
Which material (format, codec, resolution ,...?) do you have in your project (what settings? want to export) where (format, codec, resolution ,...)?
Antwort von Philipp:
Hi,
Thanks for the quick response!
I have in this case with miroVIDEO capture the material stinknormal taken of the analog camera (I think it was just standard PAL - 768 x 576 - with) 44 KHz audio. What kind of a codec used miroVIDEO capture since I do not know. Probably synonymous MJPEG.
The project setting was DC30 PAL HiRes. Or what do you think?
I wanted to finally have a DVD. First, I rendere However, as follows:
- Resolution: 768 x 576 - Field 1
- 25 fps
- "32-bit miroVIDEO MJPEG Codec (MJPG)
- Audio: 44 KHz 16 bit - stereo
- Data rate to 2500 KB / s limit "
However, I myself am not so sure what settings are s.günstigsten. I would like s.end burn everything to DVD (a re-transformation with TmpgEnc I come here probably not around). What settings do you recommend there?
Thank you
Philip
Antwort von Markus:
Hello Philip,
I began with the presumption that you export the movie with a very CPU-intensive codec. That the resulting AVI should be re-rendered in MPEG-2 conversion is synonymous already foreseeable, because the resolution (768 × 576) does not meet the requirements of the video-DVD (720 × 576). The former has the NLE editing cards simply not interested.
What reason has it that the data rate when you export AVI at 2500 kB / s limit? Perhaps the long computation time is related to the PC tries to reduce the existing data so that the quality does not suffer unnecessarily?
Antwort von Philipp:
Actually, I have absolutely no reason. That was just the default, and so I just left it like that. Should I try it once without this limitation? Is it quicker?
Antwort von Markus:
Hello Philip,
I do not know if it will go quicker, but it's worth a try. Otherwise I could figure at the distance no longer synonymous.
Antwort von Philipp:
Hi,
I think I've found the solution: The starting material was not in full PAL Resolutionvor, but only in 720 x 540 (for TV-cropping - is it good for?). And I had been wondering why he s.völlig unchanged bodies so long rendered illustrations. After I changed it, he needs (according to own statements, I have not yet fully tested) for the twenty minutes of movie 3 hours.
That, of course, especially when shooting something larger, a long time yet. Therefore, I would get to run very pleased to miroInstant. Somebody has an idea why it does not work for me? The drivers of mirosupport.de my card but one should be DC30 +. How can I tell whether the card is as DC30 + is detected? Or runs miroInstant principle, not on Premiere 4.2 LE?
Thanks
Philip
Antwort von PcSince88:
What do you want with miro instant? Your video must be on DVD if it is to be converted in 720 x 576th With Virtualdub is freeware like this possible on your machine synonymous in little more than real time. And while in case of complete umrendern another Mjpeg codec which would without doubt the best solution. Software codecs like PICVideo, MainConcept or Huffyuv are anyway when processed as efficiently as in this case, the present Mjpeg Miro codec.
He would only interesting if you search in 768 x 576 via the video output of the DC30 lied'd have to spend .... but that is really quite interesting because this format for DVD is ungeignet and also not to scale, some encoders.
The target codec if you do not have space problems Huffyuv is the best choice. Since you can do almost synonymous no setting errors.
With Adobe Premiere 4.2 (since washed up LE Edition), I have not worked before more than 10 years. With this software, you will certainly not be very happy, especially in the meantime, there are more than enough free editing software that can do more, and costs nothing.
Alternatively, of course, as a cutting software solution that prints on an integrated directly into Mpeg2 encoder. As always synonymous, the paths are many .....
Gruss - Pcsince88
Antwort von Philipp:
What do you want with miro instant? Your video must be on DVD if it is to be converted in 720 x 576th With Virtualdub is freeware like this possible on your machine synonymous in little more than real time. And while in case of complete umrendern another Mjpeg codec which would without doubt the best solution. Software codecs like PICVideo, MainConcept or Huffyuv are anyway when processed as efficiently as in this case, the present Mjpeg Miro codec.
...
The target codec if you do not have space problems Huffyuv is the best choice. Since you can do almost synonymous no setting errors.
Überhaput I was not clear how it works with the codec. I thought that I s.den with my credit card Miro MJPEG codec is bound. Now I have installed and which is huffyuv (fast but not real, but only one sixth), and the best part is that the PC does not render at full capacity, so you can moonlight.
With Adobe Premiere 4.2 (since washed up LE Edition), I have not worked before more than 10 years. With this software, you will certainly not be very happy, especially in the meantime, there are more than enough free editing software that can do more, and costs nothing. Again, I had thought I would be the video card bound for s.Premiere. I have just been worried Premiere 5.1 LE. Applies to it the same? Besides, I still have Ulead Media Studio 5, but I've read that this was not compatible with my video card. What action do you recommend to me?
Alternatively, of course, as a cutting software solution that prints on an integrated directly into Mpeg2 encoder. As always synonymous, the paths are many ..... What software would that be? Is not there a counterpart to huffyuv that I spend in direct mpeg2, so I do not yet huffyuv video with TmpgEnc must turn?
Thanks
Gruss - Pcsince88 [/ quote]
Antwort von PcSince88:
As for compatibility, in principle, which refers only to the analog output over the S-video output of the capture card. Otherwise, edit the Avis with any editing software is possible. At worst it crashes or problems occur with the Miro codec. But PICVideo or MainConcept can, as already mentioned in this case, failing that, take over his job.
After editing freeware software in the area you must have googled himself. Da gibts find enough. That the scope of services as something is always limited, it might be clear. eg no built-in Mpeg2 encoder.
All you really ancient standest to lead the software in any way is more up to date, and often bring only problems.
Otherwise, the best solution to ensure zb Procoder 2 (s.schnellsten) or Tmpgenc.
The process of coming AVI to Mpeg2, whether through editing program or external encoder, however, is clearly always a subjective purely personal decision, you can take ninth. The hard disk space and the operating system as they play an important role indeed synonymous.
Gruss - pcSince88
Antwort von Philipp:
Hello,
I once searched for free editing software. The only usable as is, if I look over, Avid Free DV. However, I do not know what it would be better than s.Premiere 4.2 LE? It has only two video tracks, which is less than at my old Premiere.
So I now have a choice of four editing suites. Please help me to decide.
- Ulead Media Studio 5
- Adobe Premiere 4.2 LE
- Adobe Premiere 5.1 LE
- Avid Free DV
How would you proceed s.meiner place?
I have quite a lot of money in the Miro DC30 used set. Do I need anyway? Is it worth a VIVO GraKa buy and transfer the video easily with it? Firewire is eliminated, because I want to digitize old videos.
Thanks
Philip
Antwort von Philipp:
I now have another problem with the Huyuff codec.
After a short time, render the error message always appear:
"There was an error creating the film.
There was an error when writing a file. Maybe the drive is full. "
However, the drive is still far from full, on a trial I have tested a different synonymous partition. I have more than 8 GB free, and as much as I need in any case for the video. What is wrong?
Antwort von Philipp:
Incidentally, this happens all whenever the video file is 2 GB in size. Obviously, the system is not so clear. I work with W2K and NTFS.
Why Huyuv consumes so much space? At 3:20 minutes, he need have 2 GB. That's too much!
Antwort von PcSince88:
Huffyuv that needs a lot of space is clear. then you just have to dodge one of the Mjpeg codecs if you prepare the space problems. The correct Halbbildeinstellungen but you have to try out then, I have s.laufen unfortunately at the moment not synonymous nachzuckecken more about the DC30 and one recommendation synonymous sites pronounce the codec. For the good old AV Master of Fast For example, the MainConcept codec is the best choice. I had explicitly tested some time ago because of the fast codec problems for terms of system stability. Constant crashes with all the editing programs.
The thing with the 2 gigabyte file is in this case system characteristics but by design. The software itself can not produce more than just these 2 gigabytes.
You have to be clear to you that, eg Premiere 4.2 comes from a time in the 4-gigabyte hard disks were the biggest one could get.
gruss - PcSince88
Antwort von Philipp:
Ok, I'll probably be time to find myself a different codec.
I once searched for free editing software. The only usable as is, if I look over, Avid Free DV. However, I do not know what it would be better than s.Premiere 4.2 LE? It has only two video tracks, which is less than at my old Premiere.
So I now have a choice of four editing suites. Please help me to decide.
- Ulead Media Studio 5
- Adobe Premiere 4.2 LE
- Adobe Premiere 5.1 LE
- Avid Free DV
How would you proceed s.meiner place?
I have quite a lot of money in the Miro DC30 used set. Do I need anyway? Is it worth a VIVO GraKa buy and transfer the video easily with it? Firewire is eliminated, because I want to digitize old videos.
Antwort von PcSince88:
I recommend you to try out Virtualdub. As long as there is only about cutting that would in any case the most efficient tool to evaluate the quality of individual frames. There are no more effective for post production and faster tools. None of the major editing programs offer this variety of filters, etc. s.Möglichkeiten including a possibility of a direct comparison and output video.
I have just seen that you are the subject of graphics card had yet touched. As regards the quality of the video input, the DC30 is obviously superior to any ViVo solution clearly and distinctly.
One more thing to conclude. In principle, the system two Mjpeg install codecs, one primary and one secondary. One can easily switch between the two synonymous if something like this should be necessary. The primary is always capitalized, which is then used by the program editing.
Good luck - PcSince88
Antwort von Philipp:
So you advise me to replace VirtualDub to Premiere? - Somehow I do not believe it. VirtualDub has hardly editing functions. So fades and overlays are for me the least.
One more thing to conclude. In principle, the system two Mjpeg install codecs, one primary and one secondary. One can easily switch between the two synonymous if something like this should be necessary. The primary is always capitalized, which is then used by the program editing. I now spend hours looking for a suitable codec, but somehow I do not find! Could you help me as perhaps a bit? I need a codec that I can process it with TmpgEnc to MPEG or MPEG2.
The original Miro MJPEG codec takes me too long to render in, Huffyuv unfortunately, takes too much space. What else is there? I've tried XviD, MPEG4, however, is not suitable for a standard DVD, right? Can you give me as a tip for a free codec? Thank you.
Antwort von Philipp:
... where I have just noticed is that I can process it with XviD prima TmpgEnc ... Is this recommended?
Antwort von Markus:
Hello Philip,
try it out and judge the quality: If the result is okay, you can use this approach in the future. ;-)
Antwort von PcSince88:
Virtualdub is clearly not a classical editing program, I have never claimed. But for the post-processing is the best choice.
Whether you will be happy with Xvid, you can only choose you, because you need to view videos. But you should remember in the Mpeg4 Deviraten is the classic cut combined with many difficulties and often impossible. And after Mjpeg Xvid to Mpeg2 and then something perverse .... But maybe I misunderstood you there.
I can not imagine that you have so little disk space that you can not work with one Mjpeg codec. And express it in 720 x 576 are not faster than Xvid Mjpeg or DV.
Divx5 and other Devirate run as an end product in the meantime, on many standalone players, but you should remember that not all people ever buy a new player. Mpeg2 DVD ever stop running, longest synonymous on the boxes.
Gruss - PcSince88
Antwort von GhostDog:
Your 768 x 576 are actually already DVD-compliant, as the DC30 works with square pixels. DV - video x has 720 576 pixels, but with rectangular Seitenverhältniss. Render the finished home movie in the M-jpg codec that you bein synonymous capturing use. Tmpegenc then converts it correctly into the MPEG-2 codec. That should go fairly fast.
MFG Peter
Antwort von Philipp:
Your 768 x 576 are actually already DVD-compliant ... I do not have 768 x 576 but 720 x 540 ...
Whether you will be happy with Xvid, you can only choose you, because you need to view videos. ... And Mjpeg to Xvid and then to mpeg2 is a bit perverted .... I now have time with XviD rendered, then made compliant with TmpgEnc burned SVCD (MPEG1) and - I'm satisfied. Final analysis, I take to actually with MJPEG, and XviD with rendere from Premiere, it will walk around for MPEG. But how could I do otherwise?
I can not imagine that you have so little disk space that you can not work with one Mjpeg codec. And express it in 720 x 576 are not faster than Xvid Mjpeg or DV. I do not expect to after 720 x 576, but keep in the original format of 720 x
540th And that is precisely the point. I have enough disk space, but the MJPEG codec just needs a forever when rendering (which indeed was the main problem of this thread ...). I can not explain why, but XviD is about three times as fast as it is understandable that I then rendere with XviD and not with MJPEG.
Virtualdub is clearly not a classical editing program, I have never claimed. But for the post-processing is the best choice. Where would be for me the advantage if I use Virtualdub? I want to edit my videos a bit more professional, so for me it is not in question.
I am the way, noticed that Avid Free DV for me is not synonymous comes into question, because it only runs on WinXP.
What editing program should I use then?
Ulead MediaStudio Pro 5.2 or Adobe Premiere LE 4.2/5.1?
Antwort von Markus:
What editing program should I use then?
Ulead MediaStudio Pro 5.2 or Adobe Premiere LE 4.2/5.1? Hello Philip,
the question of the right editing program is user dependent, and no one can answer for you. - Which program
you like better? Working with what
you prefer?
Antwort von GhostDog:
Hello Philip,
the question of the right editing program is user dependent, and no one can answer for you. - Which program you like better? Working with what you prefer? I would probably prefer to work with Media Studio Pro 5.2. But I ask because I'm totally unsure if this makes sense, finally, is tuned to the premiere of DC30. MediaStudio Pro 5.2 is generally "better" than Premiere 5.1 LE, right?
Antwort von Markus:
MediaStudio Pro 5.2 is generally "better" than Premiere 5.1 LE, right? I do not know. MediaStudio I know only from hearsay and not in the premiere version 5.1.
Premiere may perhaps be adapted to the DC30, but that does not automatically mean that Media Studio is working properly. If you prefer working with Media Studio, test the compatibility (capturing, playing off the tape) with a short sequence and procure you clarity. :-)
Antwort von Philipp:
Well, try it would have connected with some effort ....
I have read in slashcam that Media Studio Pro makes problems with the DC30:
http://www.slashcam.de/info/Media Studio-Pro-6-5-and-DC30plus-25262.html Furthermore, the Windows 2000 drivers for my capture card of extra mirosupport.de designed to Premiere ... Maybe someone has experience with it?
Antwort von PcSince88:
Not a single editing program causes problems with the DC30 as long as it's just about the further process the order listed Seguenzen and not to the analog output through the video output. Have you still not internalized it? The DC30 is the way to your analog video to get the calculator, nothing more. With the video editing programs that has absolutely nothing to do.
In the period from the date this and other cards, there were other problems. They simply had no space to store the massive amounts of data for those days and was synonymous to rely on the output to tape quite simply for the reason that very few people have already created the first time from today's perspective rather poor-quality VCD's or simple . simply knew nothing about it. That is why we once needed editing program tailored specifically to the Drivers. Because of this same method of the analog video output
For 4 capable of a 4-gigabyte hard disks, if possible, AV, you had at that time about 5000th - Laying up to 6,000 .- DM onto the table.
So cut with a program of your choice, in what rendere always synonymous. With the final product you need to be personally happy, just as with the editing program.
That the path of Xvid from the perspective of a high quality outcome here is nonsense, is another matter.
The way I'm going here would certainly not make you happy, if only because of the long render times higher than from the massively Do you complain about.
But does the old videos from the remote past to digitize only once, and there should in my view, the result be the best possible that we can get through post-processing it.
But as I said very clearly that the whole is a completely subjective history of the practice. And try out inside of five minutes and without a lot because we could not do.
Gruss - PcSince88
Antwort von Philipp:
Hi,
Thank you for your comprehensive answer!
Have you still not internalized it? The DC30 is the way to your analog video to get the calculator, nothing more. I know that you've written this to me once before. However, I am not fully convinced that sound is manual for the real-time preview the video card charge.
But does the old videos from the remote past to digitize only once, and there should in my view, the result be the best possible that we can get through post-processing it. Sorry, I do not digitize old videos. I'm just an old analog camcorder! It is not, therefore, at Qualtiät! Yes, I just discover the DV editing as a hobby, so yes I am interested in the question of the best video editing program so much. My problem's just that my budget is extremely limited (students). Therefore I must content myself with this "ancient" equipment.
And try out inside of five minutes and without a lot because we could not do. What do you mean by that? I have already spent months to try out
some (FAST AV Master 2000 with its Win98 + IRQ shit, Ulead MediaStudio Pro, Cool 3D, Premiere, MiroDC30 thousand codecs, etc.).
Until then
Philip
Antwort von PcSince88:
.... According to the manual card is responsible for real-time preview the video .....
But only on the analog video output with this specific driver support for this particular card manufacturer A selected editing software. You have since apparently still a problem understanding. Throw them overboard ballast, finally, I have worked with all this equipment 10 years ago under circumstances which are now so someone who does not even begin to imagine even begin to be able to.
In this case (real issue) were about the software, only the effects and transitions are rendered and then after that the entire output of the timeline to tape. The preview now works with one of the calculator is fast enough so often (depending of course) the type of effect has to be calculated from of the house.
All this is completely unnecessary if the final product will be anyway Mpeg2. Everything else but if you make the final product passes s.jemand other times does not make sense anyway.
The old software did you do when even the presumably under XP no problem, if there is the output from the software no file size limit. Under Win98 it is clear anyway, but the problem is in this case, the file limit and you are forced to spend a built-in encoder or a plug into the target format. Or the final output of the timeline in 2 gigabytes of AVI and snipping in a standalone encoder to use this snippet to a complete re-render video in Mpeg2.
I digitize analog video on an old AV Master, resizing, etc. to filter through Virtualdub and then give the whole as Huffyuv or MainConcept Mjpeg (if space problems occur)
Convert to Mpeg2 then with Procoder 2 or Tmpgenc, depending on how much time I want to invest.
Zero problems. Cutting and effects work in the meantime, quite synonymous s.end the chain because the available software is already synonymous with the Mpeg2 currently rules.
But the way he keeps everyone sees it in person to argue or to say this is the ultimate in route would be a pure war of religion because there are really thousands of possible variations. Also I put in challenging cases, of course, to the great pattern solutions of Ulead, Premiere, or who always synonymous.
Gruss - PcSince88
