Frage von Vögelchen:
Hello working with Adobe Premiere Elements 4 and would like to know what smartrendern means. 'm an absolute newbie - sorry if I ask, but it is precisely in each thread only drüber discussed that Adobe has not diesesd feature but what exactly does it and I just can not.
Please help me!
Antwort von Markus:
... would like to know what smartrendern means. Unchanged parts are transferred 1:1. This saves time and the quality deteriorates not (theoretically not synonymous).
Antwort von Vögelchen:
... would like to know what smartrendern means.
Unchanged parts are transferred 1:1. This saves time and the quality deteriorates not (theoretically not synonymous). Ok but that means that if one time, this feature does not need it? ;)
Antwort von Markus:
No, you can not see. Think synonymous s.die electricity savings and that the environmental benefit. ;-)
Antwort von andrempga:
Ok but that means that if one time, this feature does not need it? ;) No, because smart rendering synonymous prevent loss of quality, which is in every "normal" rendering arise.
mfg
Section Head
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Birdie
Lies Dir times the
United States Patent: 6559780 through ... then you have not only a fun evening, synonymous but the certainty that it is a marketing term, just as Smart Copy. (what should s.einer Cope "smart" to be?)
Companies are always trying melodious compelling fantasy notions of each other off. But read themselves synonymous times Use the search function on the issue because there were many discussions.
Antwort von Pianist:
Unchanged parts are transferred 1:1. If this is not the norm? I think: Why do we need this extra function? Where nothing changes, nothing must be synonymous ... Strange program.
Matthias
Antwort von joachino:
But with or without recalculation makes a difference.
The patent number I find interesting - you'll find the text even on the net, but without pictures. But if the birds can help?
Otherwise it had to come back so that the company as "fancy words" have - only who cares?
Antwort von Pilatus:
I find the doll that parts in the video is rendered and then other parts are not rendered, it looks so beautiful ... the difference
Antwort von Jörg:
why is so synonymous smart rendering such desirable feature ;--)))
Antwort von WoWu:
And that is exactly the problem. Most think codec is codec. But that's just not true. Codec implementations are only as good as the ability of the programmer. In addition, many filters and methods. Therefore, it is so important to make sure that the NLE a good codec includes what uses the best quality camera if it is in the NLE everything goes into the rushes. Of course you can simply cut to the next I-frame instead prefer to make it there, where the user would like him (with a GoP of 6 or 15, he is sometimes not even) and then with binary adding the rest ran to hang the overhanging frames in the GOPs easy to dump and the time stamps to change ... So often in the recording of programs made to advertise the parts to delete.
Success is a dirty interface.
There are of course synonymous method for lossless transcoding ... where in fact the "List Values" of the "former" codecs used to create new codes, but not in NLE's for home use.
Very many "penny-NLE's have even re-encode, because the own code so lousy that you would remember each cut.
We have such an NLE with 2 times the test's done, and in the first round at the encoder defined Encodiertiefe forced to artifacts in "stress positions" in the picture and to produce this material in the second round far s.of each run can be cut. The "blocks" were so s.identischer place to find them.
Apparently, the "smart rendering" but not seen and, although nothing next s.dem material has been made, although there were synonymous back artifacts .... but other ... a sign that the export of the total contribution was calculated.
And there lies the danger level. The companies that sell us a feature, but may generate worse images, because their own encoding no good, but weigh the user in the certainty that he would have with the camera code to do so. That must not now apply to all manufacturer, some use it as synonymous as advertising, because the competitor has just synonymous.
But I'm interested in just now, as I have my final quality as high as possible to keep up with and what my signal so everything is done for only then can I possibly the codec implementation and switch to a better result.
It is with a good codec implementations against little objection to a recalculation of the loss of quality and with good source material is anything but still visible .... and who already mancht Render 6,7 or more generations. It's just very heavily on the quality of the starting material. The better it is, the less access MPEG artifacts.
But I just want my camera synonymous as a quality product possible, and I have not of a "penny-NLE my product quality can be determined. Because some codec implementations would have the same camera at half the price you can buy.
Antwort von wolfgang:
I find the doll that parts in the video is rendered and then other parts are not rendered, it looks so beautiful ... the difference So let the good tools synonymous and the one-off of such an option, if you as a user is skeptical. I find that the best way unchanged.
I know quite a few NLEs, where you here in a rendering generation sees virtually no difference. They are usually not "groschen NLEs," but rather as WoWu says only good tools to the integration of high-quality encoders and decoders much valued. Serious tools at no cost 49 or 99 Euros, and everything you can not throw into a pot.
What is wrong is that you can be with high-quality tool is not exactly frame can be cut. Would that be so, one would remember this very well - so you often want to just frame effects or sounds off, and would not go, we knew the course. We had often discussed, of course, is that possible. That it botch s.Markt are synonymous, but may well be the case.
Antwort von joachino:
Hello Wolfgang ...
You have, of course, right and I'm sorry if I misunderstood since I have been ... Precise frame is not focused on cutting many part that is really only limited to the minimum and mainly use in the recording business (without TV advertising) moves.
I hope I was able to correct it.
Greetings to Austria
Antwort von WoWu:
... always login ...
Antwort von Wolfgang nicht eingelogt:
Well no problem. What do you have for simple tools, only to Rausschneiden the advertising breaks, H.264 seen?
Antwort von WoWu:
No, not yet for H264, but synonymous Ih must say, I'm looking for is not active, only those tools are sometimes used in connection (replacement) for NLE's called .... and I think there must surely now really draw a boundary. Sure, with the parts I can make all sorts of additions .. but I think we are because of an opinion that somehow nothing to do with, which we discuss here. But, as I said, I am not so intense there, but if I so a part of H.264 do I encountered.
Good Easter ..
Antwort von joachino:
I find the doll that parts in the video is rendered and then other parts are not rendered, it looks so beautiful ... the difference Originally I had this quality jumps synonymous feared.
But at least for the "better" NL-editors, it is virtually impossible to see, although it purely arithmetically must be present. So no problem. By the way, seems to me, however, increasingly Smartrendern to be uninteresting, because it synonymous with professional or just hardly any films in original quality clipper longer exists. Permanent color are needed, whether for general deviations of the desired color balance or contrast certain sizes, including black and white level to reach or scenes in their image and impact in its sequence to adapt to each other.
Particularly expensive is the case for automatic White Balance of Consumercamcordern. Here is a correction often times more expensive with Keyframesteuerung to achieve
Antwort von Sektionschef:
There are of course synonymous method for lossless transcoding ... where in fact the "List Values" of the "former" codecs used to create new codes, but not in NLE's for home use.
Hi
Can you name names because, what can the professional program?
mfg
Section Head
Antwort von WoWu:
All those with the Atlantic-MOLE procedures ... Mainly, the course for the broadcaster to develop your own applications. The BBC, Snell & Wilcox, the Italian CSELT, INESC in Portugal, from the EPFL Switzerland, ENST (France) and the Fraunhofer Institute have the procedure under the "umbrella" of the SMPTE develops. Because S & W but a commercial load, I would try there first.
In the U.S., this Transcodiermethode of the major networks are used to free lossless transcode of MPEG can be synonymous to DVCPro and material for archiving according to MPEG and bring it back again without loss after DVCPro transcode them.
I do not think that NLE manufacturer to offer such a procedure because they have to license it.
Antwort von wolfgang:
I do not think that NLE manufacturer to offer such a procedure because they have to license it. The synonymous have their own procedures - to halt publish nothing. We had already.
Only you can not be legally tenable infer that a license violation offense - otherwise there would already hail claims.
Antwort von WoWu:
Or do they just do nothing and the only way .... as tests with the two candidates have shown ... then this is the cheapest method and without any risk ... according to the motto the customer is already there and firmly believe he can not .... eh Puff cake ... artifacts when changing twice, although in the untreated part of the sequence, what I call the "loading" to the ugly word to use here.
On the contrary, we test it again with the Rhode & Schwarz software tries to us about a change in the chromium has shown.
But the issue we had already times and for me it is so synonymous with ..
Antwort von wolfgang:
The question of why the patent holder will not do anything legally, even if they could according to your words, but is unchanged. At least to me. But that might a company policy decision, it is for the user is actually secondary.
We have just in the development of templates for rendering the EX1 seen that we 1920x1080 25p material EX1 currently not smartrendern can. Well, we have templates for the output as mpeg2-PS develop - but the practical verification of the source material changes between 1st and Render generation classic difference images shows changes, and shows that there is no place Smartrendern. Quite differently about HDV2 materials where you referred to the difference image method differences no longer identifiable, if the material is smartgerendert. Only when you complete Neurendern of material forces - for example, by having a single, small point into the material einstanzt, you synonymous between the product and render the output HDV2 material differences. The above tests were made in Sony Vegas Pro 8b.
To a small test of empirical evidence for me impressively Smartrendern in the sense that the desired result does - namely, that we have no visual changes in the Picture noted. And that is holding the point of the user in practice is relevant.
Whether in the structure of the material in this Smartrendern somewhat changed, is another question. I assume that will be so - ever, because for the HDV camcorder to Rückspielbarkeit probably a solid GOP structure may be necessary should we look for in any cuts in the material no longer sure, if there are no structural adjustment would. The sense is that probably no Smartrendern.
Here we will talk more about the definition of Smartrendern question that you either practice perspective can answer - no optical changes that are not synonymous in the difference images, or obtained from the published structure of the material can define. For me as Andwender is the lack of optical changes in the relevant point - and to meet the editing programs today.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Wolfgang
That may all of you for the test shall be made and I appreciate very much that you as synonymous as far as going into the depth.
Only generalization I can not accept uncontradicted:
and to meet the editing programs today. Because this is now the basis of our experiments at least as refuted.
Only times when Lernfrage: How is because the option in
Vegas Pro actually sold in the U.S. program? (Really only of interest)
Because there have already SONY solely because of naming a problem getting.
As I understand it relates to try on the 35 Mbit variant .... There is sufficient evidence for the lower data rate?
The hab'ich not quite understand .. what have you done since?
Well, we have templates for the output as mpeg2-PS develop
Antwort von Marco:
That which we users' output in the same format for us, without apparent loss of quality and with much faster speed than a "real" rendering "as" Smartrendern "refer to, is of Sony Vegas Pro as" No Neukomprimierung at Long GOP HDV and XDCAM referred and worked there after his own experience with any of my previously worked HDV format and with all original XDCAM format (ie DV, XDCAM IMX in all variants and XDCAM-HD in all variants of the original, EX-material previously excluded) .
What is the third bit of the left and the 7 bits of the right happens, I'm not interested as long as it is throughout the production chain, how it works as expected. And it does.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
Have you already times with different value footage made, so footage from different Ecodings in a slice, that is not on the time axis?
How to behave as the incisions? (Cut Rendering / Encoding original)?
Antwort von Marco:
"Did you do that sometimes with different value Footage made, so footage from different Ecodings in a slice, that
is not on the time axis?" What exactly do you mean? Different format? This works if it has batch rendering is done so that each output format each his own rendering format can be assigned.
For me, what is love "smart rendering" is actually only a preselection of useful settings, so for the purpose of sorting.
"How does this because the incisions? (Cut Rendering / Encoding original)?" Well, since broken GOPs come to Neurendering unlikely drum rum. Spells will not do. But this should not synonymous of such a function to expect and they should therefore be used.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
I hab'mich because not so clear: how does the gate when different encoder output s.Werk and had a "clean" transition suddenly rendered s.ein not identical encoding is docked?
Antwort von Marco:
I do not know whether this case I ever had (in conjunction with "Smartrendern"). If I test times.
Marco
Antwort von wolfgang:
Because this is now the basis of our experiments at least as refuted.
Since you must first determine, how exactly you define the concept and want to use. During my term I worry about education only optical measurable and therefore (theoretically corresponding to Intensitität) synonymous visible changes.
I said yes, that we are probably on the definition of the term talking about. I am investigating - just as Marco - the files before and after a smart render operation with the HEX editor. For me reichts completely if I do not change in the visual material see, and they are synonymous - with my resources - no longer can. That in the hex editor visible changes, we know - is not a big secret, but will the average system operations are not really synonymous.
As I understand it relates to try on the 35 Mbit variant .... There is sufficient evidence for the lower data rate?
and
The hab'ich not quite understand .. what have you done since?
No, this is a misunderstanding. My tests were with HDV2 material with the usual 25 Mbps, for this material is the statement that we have no difference in image measurement variations in the activated SmartRender function could prove. Natürich contained the tests synonymous blank values and comparative measurements as the thing looks like when Smartrendern deliberately been forced - to review some of the test device.
We were only trying to output templates for EX1 material from Vegas out to develop, which can also smartrendern. That is so far not succeeded, because it seems more interventions are needed than the mere modification of output templates permits. What succeeded was EX1 material for the rendering of MXF transport stream to an MPEG2-PS - but that is no longer smartrendern, corresponding picture were synonymous changes detected in the material (which is good when rendering the best encoder is detectable).
I am not sure whether the term "broken GOPS" not misleading. Since nothing is broken - for a non-destructive editing. But the investigation of how the thing looks s.derartigen incisions, whether in the few frames after and / or a hard cut rendering artifacts would find that is probably still to do.
Antwort von Franz Peter:
@ Wolfgang
Thank you first for the detailed explanation.
In the 'relevant' I give you full right ... Of course, the question arises then, when you're in the amount of work carried out no optical changes can perceive.
Synonymous I know that this is not necessarily my requirements with which the majority of the participants covers, because I come from the user corner come, if necessary, then of course the artifacts contained in a further transmission is necessary. For this is certainly a forum irrelevante application.
To that extent, I like synonymous with the term "academic" resign.
I am extremely interested s.Euren test methods which I would like to adapt. Therefore, understanding my question: I know the difference image method for use only within the closed GoP structures of a data stream. .... Or, failing that, by using outside software. My attempts, when I use the Siemens CX Sistore "that had used were not as thrilling. Maybe now, because it is a specialized software is MPEG4, which is difficult to MPEG2 was transferable, but may be synonymous, that I was wrong approaches Comparison of two different transport streams had. In any case the results were as unfit for use.
Their seems to be practical ways to have and I would be as happy about comments.
Antwort von WoWu (unangemeldet):
... You know already, beautiful greeting to Vienna
Wolfgang
